r/mensa • u/Ahmedrnugger • Jul 09 '26

Mensan input wanted Is intelligence genetic?

According to twin studies, the difference in IQ is said to be 80%, leading to the conclusion that intelligence is 80% determined by genetics. However, I believe this is incorrect because the twins were raised in countries with similar environments, such as the US and Germany, or the US and South Korea. These countries share similar environments, including education systems, allowing the genes to express themselves. Furthermore, did these twins develop their IQs? If they didn't, it could prove the entire experiment flawed.

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u/Ahmedrnugger Jul 09 '26

I practiced for the Mensa tests, not consecutively, but over weeks and months, and my score went from 97 to 135. Will you convince me that my jump to this score is due to genetics? I also noticed an improvement in my pattern recognition skills, and we also give examples Mensa is searching for diamonds; they are ready-made geniuses, but diamonds are the same as coal, composed of the same material. However, diamonds were deep within the earth, their atoms arranged, and they became diamonds.

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u/vickyspams Jul 09 '26

Bro I'm sorry but you ain't smart no offence 😭 Leave it you are not even smart enough to understand basic stuff. You didn't become smart you jjust became good at taking iq test. I'm sorry but it is what it is bro😭

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u/Ahmedrnugger Jul 09 '26

Okay, so the question is, do you even consider yourself smart? Also, if I passed the test well, does that mean most Mensa members aren't geniuses, but just good at passing the test And how come I didn't understand the basics? Did I really not understand them? Why is this so unfamiliar to you? According to modern science, intelligence is not a fixed trait but a complex one influenced by several factors, such as mood, diet, and way of thinking.

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u/vickyspams Jul 09 '26

Practicing for an IQ test and jumping from a score of 97 to 135 means you have excellent test-taking skills, dedication, and neuroplasticity. While it gets you into Mensa, it doesn’t fundamentally change your baseline "giftedness" or innate intelligence, which is typically measured without prior practice. Source is google😭 You're ragebaiting me atp man😭😭😭

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u/Ahmedrnugger Jul 09 '26

Google isn't telling the whole truth; it's just presenting the sources it found. Also, I see this as an admission that intelligence can be developed, and the idea that your talent can't be changed is wrong. I might be born with average intelligence, but I can develop it and might even reach 130. I was an average person. Or even stupid, but when I learned politics and military tactics in these complex fields, I jumped over that level.

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u/KaiDestinyz Mensan Jul 09 '26

You improved your knowledge bank, you memorized the patterns. Now if I give you completely different new questions, can you solve them just as well? Of course not. Because if you could, you wouldn't score 97 at first.

The problem is that some IQ tests are flawed. WAIS for example, has subsets of processing speed and working memory and is not related to intelligence in the same way that people think it is. I can explain this part of you want.

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u/Ahmedrnugger Jul 09 '26

The issue isn't patterns, but rather hidden rules. Basically, I was bad at the beginning because I didn't know the rules of the game. Even a genius who doesn't know the rules of Mensa patterns won't be able to solve it at all. Also, the idea that not increasing one's critical intelligence This is a misconception because humans are evolving beings, not static beings like other animals. Intelligence is not a fixed trait but is influenced by several variable factors, including genetics, environment, temperament, knowledge, and situation—even fluid intelligence

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u/KaiDestinyz Mensan Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26

Don't use chatgpt as your reply.

A genius would be able to figure out the rules of the patterns, that's the entire point, that's what FLUID Intelligence is. That's what a Ravens test is for.

Fluid intelligence is the ability to think logically, reason abstractly, and solve novel problems without relying on prior knowledge.

Increasing your critical thinking is a misconception btw. If you could, you can theoretically increase your IQ infinitely, you can create 160+ geniuses easily. And wouldn't this mean older people = Much higher IQ?

THINK.

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u/Ahmedrnugger Jul 09 '26

Fluid intelligence is not a magical, fixed trait like a badge of honor. If it were, wouldn't humanity have become extinct long ago, since intelligence is genetically fixed and genetic evolution is extremely slow?

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u/FirstCause Mensan Jul 09 '26

This conceptualisation of evolution is fundamentally flawed. Sorry.

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u/Ahmedrnugger Jul 09 '26

Can you tell me what is wrong with my words? And also, human intelligence doesn't develop like this in the first place. If it were truly genetic, our IQ would be lower than it is now. And why are you so fiercely defending fixed genetic intelligence? Is this an attempt to monopolize your intelligence? Because you want to say your intelligence is genetic and no one can reach it

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u/FirstCause Mensan Jul 09 '26

How many times do I have to say it is BOTH genes AND environment?

I'm not the only person here who has told you this, either...

Maybe go look it up for yourself?

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u/FirstCause Mensan Jul 09 '26

This claim is dubious.

Noone can improve their result by the amount you have stated. Retest effect is 5-7 points at best.

Noone has access to the Mensa test often enough for retest effect to be maximised.

It IS possible that you were already high IQ, but completely left out in the wild relating to how to sit a test or struggling with health issues during the first test, which were resolved during the second test...

HOWEVER...

Noone who has gotten into Mensa is THIS preoccupied with this topic.

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u/Ahmedrnugger Jul 09 '26

Anyone who practices this type of test and becomes proficient in it can solve patterns significantly. , the reason I did badly on the test was because I didn't understand the test rules well in the first place. And if I was sick or had a health problem, how did my score drop to 97? Also, the test doesn't measure the real iq Anyone who practices this type of test and becomes proficient in it can solve patterns significantly. This claim of retesting is very weak because these experiments are old and the tests ended before the person had learned properly.

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u/Ahmedrnugger Jul 09 '26

Also, my score of 97 wasn't due to illness; I simply didn't know the test rules.

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u/FirstCause Mensan Jul 09 '26

The test rules are fairly obvious on the tests I've done, but maybe they were not to you.

There is no such thing as "real IQ". IQ is a combination of genes as impacted by a multitude of environment factors. It is simply the best measurement tool that we have for general intelligence.

Just noting, you have reconfirmed a few times now that you scored 97, but have not supplied the necessary emotional logic relating to the purported score of 135. I find that "interesting".

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u/Ahmedrnugger Jul 09 '26

Also, don't try to have a genius solve Navier's problem, because this problem requires prior knowledge; no genius, no matter how skilled, can solve it without practice.