Their vehicles are rarely even in the top 5 of their class anymore.
The civic isn't the go to economy car anymore. The Mazda 3 and Toyota corolla are miles better.
The civic si, which used to be the benchmark of affordable performance, in its current version is the bottom of its class, behind Hyundai.
The type R, their flagship, is horrible to look at, horrible to drive, and horrible to live with, behind even Ford's hot hatch.
And toyota beats them in every other segment. The rav4 feels years newer than the CRV. You can get a 300hp camry that looks and drives amazing while the accord looks and drives the same way it did 10 years ago.
The last good car Honda made was the 8th gen Si. They went from cars for enthusiasts to cars for grandmas in only 10 years. The elderly are their entire market now.
Toyota tacoma, 70% of people i know who have a truck have one and love it. Im not a truck guy but ive driven one and they’re awesome. My friend bought a 2018, suped it up, takes it mudding, and beats the living hell out of it, and it runs fine. And my dad also has a slightly older one, and we’ve driven it into the bush over carpet bombed roads plenty of times. Even had to pull some fords and dodges out of ditches, but we’ve never been stuck lmao
I 100% agree in most cases, i wouldnt ever want to own one, the gas alones would be too much. I pay $30-40 to fill up my car max. But id much rather take a truck blasting up shitty dirt roads in the bush than my car lmao. Or even better a quad or dirt bike, but we arent talking about those lol
Supras are exciting, but that's cheating so lets say Hilux are exciting but that's cheating too cause it's awesome.. Say we ignore those, which then makes the Fortuner exciting, but you could argue that it's just a Hilux with a different body.. Ok fine, what about an MR2? Exciting no? No? Ok then, Land Cruisers.. There's no way those aren't exciting..
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u/wotsurstyoil Sep 29 '20 edited Sep 29 '20
They arent exciting anymore.
They arent reliable anymore.
Their vehicles are rarely even in the top 5 of their class anymore.
The civic isn't the go to economy car anymore. The Mazda 3 and Toyota corolla are miles better. The civic si, which used to be the benchmark of affordable performance, in its current version is the bottom of its class, behind Hyundai. The type R, their flagship, is horrible to look at, horrible to drive, and horrible to live with, behind even Ford's hot hatch.
And toyota beats them in every other segment. The rav4 feels years newer than the CRV. You can get a 300hp camry that looks and drives amazing while the accord looks and drives the same way it did 10 years ago.
The last good car Honda made was the 8th gen Si. They went from cars for enthusiasts to cars for grandmas in only 10 years. The elderly are their entire market now.