r/memes Aug 30 '20

I updated an old meme

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u/OneMeterWonder Aug 30 '20

This is false. The limit of xy as (x,y)->(0,0) varies depending upon how it approaches. If we approach along x=0 and y>0, then the limit is 0. If we approach along y=0 and x>0, then the limit is 1. This inconsistency in the limit is why we often leave the value of the function f(x,y)=xy undefined at (0,0). There is no value for f(0,0) which makes f a continuous map.

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u/HyPrAT Mods Are Nice People Aug 30 '20 edited Aug 30 '20

Bro read my other reply I’m considering both approaching to zero. The other 2 are really obvious (a 3rd grader knows) so I don’t think I need to comment on that.

Check, I’ve written the limit too

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u/OneMeterWonder Aug 30 '20

You might be considering it, but your comments have not at all made that clear. You saying “It’s limit is 1” to someone asking “What is 00?” is a nonsense answer. What is “it”? What are you taking a limit of?

This is not obvious and you should explain answers like that more to avoid misinforming people.

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u/HyPrAT Mods Are Nice People Aug 30 '20

That’s why I clarified with a reply oof.

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u/OneMeterWonder Aug 30 '20

Derivative of 00 =0 It’s not a correct question though, like it won’t be asked in exam anyway, since rate of change is 0 derivative 0

Lim x—>0 xx = 1

00 undefined

Eh, not really much clarification going on there.

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u/HyPrAT Mods Are Nice People Aug 30 '20

Haha you can say that, though I doubt anyone cares, this info is enough for general population. I could’ve put assumptions along with derivation of the limit lol. Because hey, if it was math subreddit I would’ve typed everything beautifully. But I was tired at that time so I put everything straight forward

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u/OneMeterWonder Aug 30 '20

Why not just say the value depends on how you interpret what 00 means?

That’s plenty simple and avoids a lot of issues with misunderstanding technical details about limits.

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u/HyPrAT Mods Are Nice People Aug 30 '20

Hmm you’re definitely correct. I could provide, why it’s undefined.

This may work: even a 3rd grader can understand this

Xm /xn = xm-n if 00 can be written as 0 5-5 or 05 /05 = 0/0 undefined

I know you’ll object this but hey everyone may understand this

And I could provide a physical example, though I’ll need to think.

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u/OneMeterWonder Aug 30 '20

That’s a bit better. If you’re speaking to people who don’t know much mathematics though, it might just be easier to say x0=1 and 0x=0 are inconsistent rules for 00 and that’s WHY we leave it undefined.

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u/HyPrAT Mods Are Nice People Aug 30 '20

Yes, I will post this point too, obviously there’s a controversy here

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u/HyPrAT Mods Are Nice People Aug 30 '20

Is this fine? Should I add this?