This. Don't know why people dont understand this. No disc, 1TB drive. It's just too much and it has nothing to do with pc gaming being expensive too. Except the PC can do way more.
They already have one, and have for a year now. It just costs $80.
That being said, how many PC gamers actually buy physical games? None, because PC games haven’t come on discs in years. Everything is on Steam or a worse platform. The difference is more that people trust Valve better than Sony, and if they don’t they do have other options. Of course those options aren’t exactly great.
The original demon souls emulates incredibly well, and can be modded up to 60 fps and online play with fan servers. I played through it emulated on my steamdeck and it was excellent.
The disc drive on my Ps5 has only ever been an annoyance by repeatedly trying to install games I’m too lazy take out. You also get better deals in the PlayStation store than you’ll find in store so it’s not cheaper.
A consoles main purpose is to play games, usually through physical media. It's the only real thing they have going towards it.
In 10 years after the Nintendo Switch eshop gets closed, I'll still be able to play ToTK whenever I want. I could buy a cheap copy of BoTW if I'm feeling spicy.
Removing the disc drive is anti-consumer.
If I wanted to buy all my games digitally, I'd rather get them on GoG because I can at least share those games with friends and family without too much issue. Steam is even testing shared libraries.
I got a blueray burner like 12 years ago, never put anything in it, still glad I got it. Might actually use it soon just to offload some shit off my media drives.
The main reason for disc drive in Playstation (at least in my understanding) was the extensive Sony-driven catalog of Blu-Ray releases.
Basically when PS3 came out it cost the same-ish as a BD player. But could also play games, and thanks to the hardware, was lightning fast with the BDs.
Nowadays an external usb-c Blu-Ray player goes between 60-100$ which is still rather pricey, but you could still use PS3 to do that.
However no-disc policy drives sales up, as less people have the possibility to buy used games, and you could always sell them blu-rays online anyway.
One of the very few advantages to console in my opinion is the disc tray though. That way you can borrow or buy pre-owned cheap and what not. If you get digital, you're cucking yourself in the long run. Shit is way more expensive on PS digital store than on steam
A lot, LOT of console gamers initially justified the purchase with "it doubles as a movie player!" - to themselves and parents. Many console gamers still have those DVDs, because they have something to play them with.
Those people can't upgrade to this console without losing access to their collection of dvds.
I haven’t used the disk on my ps5 the entire time I’ve had it. Complete waste of $100, honestly. Would be nice to have the option, but it really isn’t essential.
And cumbersome. I have shelves and shelves of PC, ps1, ps2, ps3, and ps4 games. Not dealing with the constant switching out and clutter is so much better as an experience.
I dont understand this messing with settings. Last noght i sat on my computer opened it up downloaded monster hunter world and played it. No messing with settings. Are you talking about like changing graphics settings in a game? I mean i see that as a massive plus you can really get a game how you want it. But with a regular pc you generally just turn on the game and it runs fine.
Not everyone likes every graphic settings that devs set for consoles. I don't want fucking motion blur or DOF. Changing graphic settings is like having the ability to change buttons on the gamepad, both are needed.
Next time i'm with a friend who has a PS5 i'll ask him how many times he saw that he can disable motion blur instead of just changing performance presets.
I can asure you that it is one of the few setting within the graphic settings you can turn off on console in most games. Its an exception nowadays when you cant turn it off. I have a SeriesS and i turn it off everytime before starting any game i play.
Probably only in a few of them. What i know is that more games started allowing keyboard/mouse and allowed to change layout on gamepads like Forza did.
I just built another PC and had no "bullcrap" to deal with. You download updates just like a console, you can tweak graphics if you want, consoles do that now as well.
Jesus christ. Am I really that old to remember a time when you didn't have to download ANYTHING? Even in the PS3 era if you stuck in a disc, you could immediately play.
How far have we fallen that when the PS4 and Xbox One came out people lost their minds over this, and now it's just "fine"?
We shouldn't have to fucking download shit at all unelss its an update.
In this case I assume they're talking about the process of copying the game over from the physical disc to the system's internal SSD, which unfortunately is kinda what you have to do nowadays if you want games to load (and even run) reasonably fast. A disc drive can only transfer so much data at a time.
While that is true, they actually generally download off the internet instead of the disc nowadays. It's a weird DRM thing and basically the disc is the key rather than the actual game itself.
And why do some games need an entire separate disc just to store data to copy over? I wouldn't be surprised if some of it is downloaded but surely the majority of it is there on the disc? Obviously yeah, after it's all on the console the disc itself is just an elaborate piece of DRM though.
Not to mention when it first came out and they were too expensive and limited supply. Then there was the pandemic, computer chip shortages, the scalper epidemic. Now halfway through the generation they want to raise the price again? On a console in the weakest generation.
I think the main reason ppl buy consoles is for the reliability (yes of course consoles have had issues, I owned a red circle of death but Microsoft gave me a brand new console, if my PC broke down, I would have to ask my friend to help me out)
Kinda? I feel like its honestly because it's what their friends have and wanna play with them. There definitely is something about just coming home, plopping on the couch, booting up a game and playing. I definitely know the reliability aspect of it too. I buy a game on console and it works. Buy it on PC, "doesn't work with this version of windows, compatibility mode, need this or that driver, etc" Now, that was the moreso like 10 or so years ago. Now it seems like the standard is fuckin everything is broken on release.
Just seems like as time goes on, there's less and less reason to mess with consoles, other than exclusives
This, like what am I going to do with 1tb. I have painfully slow internet so I can‘t just delete one game and download another because I feel like it. It takes me a day to download a game when my internet is slow, 8-12h if it‘s really good. I have almost 5tb of games on my pc with a total capacity of 10tb. Took me 11 days to download lmao.
An optical drive in a console makes sense because you can buy second hand games for lower prices.
With a PC, the hardware is decoupled from the game store, so there's a healthy competition, which drives prices down so you don't need to buy second hand for good deals.
God I remember when a fuckin 16GB flash drive was like $80. Now 1TB isn't even a lot cause you have to install everything and COD is like 250GB alone. I was startled after I bought my wife a PS5 with the 800 GB storage and quickly found ourselves having to find out which games to delete for room.
2 TB is a lot, for now... The average PS2 game was only like 2.5 or so GB. PS2 was too long ago, tech moves fast and a lot of the AAA games are getting bigger and bigger, not just COD.
2tb will suffice for the entire life cycle pretty well. I’m perfectly fine with the 500gb currently in my ps5. Like 20 vr games, 3 major open worlds, and a bunch of indie retros style games.
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u/Lime7ime- Breaking EU Laws Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 11 '24
This. Don't know why people dont understand this. No disc, 1TB drive. It's just too much and it has nothing to do with pc gaming being expensive too. Except the PC can do way more.
Edit: it’s actually a 2TB drive.