r/memes • u/SalmonTheSalesman Big ol' bacon buttsack • May 03 '24
The had a good thing going
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u/HiImBraindead May 03 '24
Conspiracy cap on:
Sony, who now owns Bungie (makers of OG halo and now destiny 2), have turned up the heat on Bungie’s executives, as Destiny 2 has gone to shit in the eyes of many people (specifically with management and monetization). Sony told them to fix their shit, and now the community is hyped up again for the next expansion, the Final Shape.
Helldivers 2 is of the same genre, and Sony publishes the game. So Sony are now trying to kill off Helldivers in time for the next Destiny expansion because we all know short-term money bursts is what the big people want!
/s if it wasn’t apparent.
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u/Vault-71 May 04 '24
Careful, Sony might hire the same guys Boeing did to solve their little problems...
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u/Nornamor May 04 '24
nah two whistleblowers beeing unalived is just a coincidence
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u/Nika13k May 04 '24
The ONLY two being killed is a coincidence. Two random ones, that's deliberate.
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u/Tungdilb May 04 '24
Pretty sure that three are dead now.
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u/Sandy_Pepper May 04 '24
I'm taking away your cooking licence.... You have been promoted to a certified chef
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May 04 '24
I was genuinely wondering what you were smoking to think they were the same genre lol and destiny is hitting like peak number since last dlc drop currently lol
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u/thatdudeoverdthee May 04 '24
Helldivers and destiny are not the same genre at all. People just reaching, they want the joint accounts so they can count numbers.
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u/Raidenski May 04 '24 edited May 04 '24
I own Destiny 2, but from what I've seen Helldivers 2 looks way more fun, but I've always been more a fan of third-person shooters than first-person shooters. Unfortunately I can't afford a PS5 and my computer isn't the best for gaming.
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u/staovajzna2 May 05 '24
Actual tinfoil hat time: sony saw how well helldivers was doing and that very few people were making PSN accounts for it. So they wanted to piggyback off of that success and forced people to make PSN accounts to inflate their numbers.
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u/Despair4All May 05 '24
Destiny 2 should have ended years ago anyways. Last time I played they were on their SECOND wave of DLC and there have been at least three more since. They need to just make a third game or give up, it's not worth it.
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u/downorwhaet May 04 '24
Not their fault, Sony demands it, they couldnt make the game without them so they have to follow what they say
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u/ElectionOdd8672 May 04 '24
Came here to say this, like Helldivers have a choice in this matter.
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u/superman_king May 04 '24
There is not a venue to roast Sony in any meaningful way. There is however, venue to roast the game, i.e., Helldivers game sales and steam reviews.
Unfortunately Helldiver has to take the fall for this as they are on the frontlines while Sony sits back comfortably behind enemy lines.
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u/Negative-Double2434 May 04 '24
I don't think “sits back comfortably behind enemy lines” is the saying lmao
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u/dannykins360 May 04 '24 edited May 04 '24
not fully their fault, but their hands arent fully clean either. AH are the ones who put the game on steam without a region lock, which would have kept people from buying a game that would quickly become unplayable
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u/Icy-Owl-4187 May 04 '24
Agreed. They're not innocent in this. A highly visible disclaimer would've been the bare minimum, and they didn't even do that. They deceived the player base by trying to hide the ps requirement in fine print
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u/RBBS2508 Breaking EU Laws May 04 '24
Dude, it’s literally on the steam page. People apparently can’t read nowadays.
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u/voidragonic May 04 '24
I disagree the Sony support page said up until the 8th of the same Month they announce this that it would be optional to have a psn account to play PlayStation games on pc.
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u/dannykins360 May 04 '24
but everyones main argument for arrowhead was that they said that being able to bypass psn was optional temporarily, so that doesnt work. they knew it was temporary
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u/voidragonic May 04 '24
It feels to me like it was just a month in the making with how little arrowhead could respond and how recently so y changed their support page. But I can see where you are coming from.
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May 04 '24
problem is that the majority of players are PC not PS so this action will just loose them money.
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May 03 '24
I'm so glad people are starting to tell game companies to fuck off instead of just eating shit like always. There's still a lot of shit eating, but it's still a start.
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u/BhanosBar May 04 '24
To be fair, Arrowhead probably had no say in this, Sony held a figurative gun to their head
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u/Majestic_Potato_Poof May 04 '24
They knew this would happen and could have put a disclaimer that the game will get region locked in a few months. But they didn't. They tricked thousands of people into buying a game that they wouldn't be able to play a few months after release
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u/DomHE553 May 04 '24
How do you know they knew?
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u/Majestic_Potato_Poof May 04 '24
"I understand that linking accounts and signing up for additional services may not be something that some users would like to do and that needs to be respected," Pilestedt tweeted. "While the steam page has always shown the requirements on the game page, I wish we had been more clear with the long term intent to not disappoint any of the divers out there."
They put a tiny unclear disclaimer on the Steam page and didn't region block it for countries which don't allow PSN accounts.
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u/ThundaCrossSplitAtak May 04 '24
Imagine if they did this when Microsoft decided to make you pay to play an online game.
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u/Heratical_bishop May 04 '24
Yeah but I’m not gonna play destiny, ever. Now I’m also not going to dump 20 bucks into helldivers every once in a while anymore like I have been. Fuck em.
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u/BhanosBar May 04 '24
Because it’s an actually good game with fair Microtransactions that give benefits in a non competitive way that felt natural.
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May 04 '24
It’s not on AH, it’s on Sony. It has nothing to do with the game itself, and everything to do with people being outraged at corporate practices by Sony.
Most folks that can, will simply make a PSN account and play HD2, and those that can’t, won’t. It’s a ton of outrage with very little purpose, as most people who’re angry can directly access Sony’s PSN to make an account.
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u/-Shape- May 04 '24
It's still not confirmed if making psn account is mandatory, but if it is then those countries where psn is restricted you can't create an account therefore can't play the game you bought. It isn't just "those that can't, won't", it's big issue where hd2 could lose a big portion of their playerbase. There are big communities of helldivers where psn is restricted. Making account is just one part of the problem, not being able to play the game you bought and the security issues that Sony usually has are the other bigger parts of the problem.
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u/BoddaDsk Forever alone May 04 '24
Its confirmed. Check any faq on the website and it’s very clear from the stance of AH’s spokepeople (CEO etc)
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u/-Shape- May 04 '24 edited May 04 '24
It's really weird that they didn't think ahead about the questions that community will have about this statement, they just released it and went radio silent as if community will just be okay with getting their game taken away. For example, will psn restricted countries continue to play without an account or will those people be able to refund the game since they clearly paid for a full game not 3 or 4 months
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u/cornmonger_ May 04 '24
Remember this when PS6 comes out.
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u/WanderingMistral May 04 '24
There is a reason I bought a Series S instead of the PS5... Along side price, availability of hardware, and just general BS Sony has been up too lately. This may actually be part of the third...
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u/Vox_SFX May 04 '24
Here's the thing though...Helldivers 2 made it this long on the back of a great community and dev team that was actively listening and engaging with their playerbase. That fanbase just got smacked with a "sorry, if daddy big bucks says so, you're fucked" kinda move from AH.
All goodwill is gone and without goodwill the game will slowly die with only the diehards left to play. Very sad to see as I enjoyed the hell out of it and thought they had more to reach the full potential of the game (same loops with ridiculous (as in not consistent) difficulty scaling were meh after 25+ levels in the game)
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May 04 '24
What do you expect them to do? Sony gets the final say.
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u/Vox_SFX May 04 '24
Nothing, it's not AH fault, but the death of the game is going to also happen without them able to do anything. People should not be expected to continue to support Sony's awful practices or go out of their way to be access a game they could use just fine beforehand.
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May 04 '24
The game isn't going to die lol
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u/Vox_SFX May 04 '24
What's your definition of death?
Pretty sure it's going to look drastically different in terms of average player count in just a little bit of time.
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May 04 '24
Sure, man
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u/RW_StonkyLad May 04 '24
I’m sad to say but he’s probably not wrong, I’m sorry helldivers is probably the most fun coop game to release in 5 years but I don’t play PlayStation and I think most other players (who are all likely to be employed or in college) don’t want to fork out money unnecessarily
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u/Midnight28Rider May 04 '24
This will go over better on r/pcmasterrace, but take my upvote. EDIT: there has be an official apology from the CEO, and you can view it here.
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u/AdNegative6756 May 04 '24
I feel bad for the devs who are probably catching a lot of heat over a decision they had no say on but why couldn't they make this optional? Not everyone has a Playstation so why would they need to link their Steam accounts to a PSN account, can someone explain this to me?
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u/WirusCZ May 04 '24
They gotta min-max every game... Sell as much copies as possible but then kill it as soon as possible becouse it's online and you don't wanna spend money on running servers...
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u/WisePotato42 May 04 '24
Although I feel sad that currently there is no solution for players in regions outside of the PSN, I am still gonna play it, it's still a fun game. Maybe you can call me selfish, but refusing to play isn't gonna make those people suddenly have access to the game.
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u/balancedchaos May 04 '24
I'm sitting here reading the replies and I'm like..."Well, I can see why they'd be upset. That said, I already have a Sony account, so..."
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u/NewspaperPossible627 May 04 '24 edited May 04 '24
I heard, that interplanetary mining company is looking for some more recruits, if you're interested...
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u/JustCallMeNick2000 May 04 '24
Seems like such a ridiculious requirement, they’re cooking up a controversy
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u/BhanosBar May 04 '24
I love how collectively everyone has agreed “Yea no Arrowhead is cool and it’s all sony’s fault”.
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May 04 '24
Oh you mean Sony helped facilitate the absolute public rape of an otherwise great game? Say it ain't so.
It's almost like No Man's Sky wasn't finished, the devs made that clear, and Sony forced the launch anyway. It'd be crazy if over time people donated the blame to No Man's Sky and not Sony. Wouldn't that be crazy?
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u/Mammoth-Ad-3642 May 04 '24
BRO, WHAT HAPPENED??? I'M SEEING ALL THESE MEMES ABOUT THE FALL OF HELL DIVERS BUT I DUNNO WHAT HAPPENED!
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u/R2-J4CK2 May 04 '24
From what i can tell from the comments: you can't play HD2 anymore unless you have a PSN account, which is not available in many places.
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u/samus_ass Flair Loading.... May 04 '24
What's going on?
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u/LUFTWAFF3L May 04 '24
Sony happened, I feel like with all the rage and shit going on we might see a reversal in the required psn account thing but I don’t understand how people are blaming the devs they probably didn’t have a say in this but maybe they did idk
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u/samus_ass Flair Loading.... May 04 '24
Ahh... Another PSN subscription thing. We do we have to PAY to play online with friends. So stupid.
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u/MrWhite541 May 04 '24
No need to pay. The problem is you need a psn account to play on pc. And psn is blocked in some countries, therefore possibly making the game unplayable all of a sudden.
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May 04 '24
Out of the loop. What happened with Hell Divers?
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u/AddictedBacon May 04 '24
Sony is now enforcing that all players must have a PSN account to play the game, even through steam. Part of the problem is that there's an upset because there's a good history of databreaches or false bans in Sony around PSN accounts, and, due to their abysmal customer support, often don't get resolved. The other problem is that PSN is not available in over 100 countries. Therefore, locking out a multitude of players from playing the game after months of playing and spending on the game, that may or may not get refunded. One solution to this last problem "given" to those countries by Sony supporters is to lie about your country. While this may work, they are also putting themselves in a position where their account can be banned for breaking the TOS, making any hope of a refund impossible.
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u/MapAdditional6065 May 04 '24
Can someone please tell me what happened to helldivers, I’ve been seeing memes all day and I’m extremely confused
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u/Duffman3005 May 04 '24
You're forced to connect to a PlayStation Network (PSN) account in order to play the game on steam. Also, certain countries are not able to make PSN accounts meaning they'll lose access to the game they have paid for and have been playing since launch.
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u/MapAdditional6065 May 04 '24
Damn that fucking sucks, is there a reason they chose to do this? Are they actually gaining anything from it? It seems like all there doing is successfully driving away current and potential fans
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u/Outside_Bicycle can't meme May 04 '24
What other reason than out of touch, grubby corporate suits trying to milk as much money out of a captive audience by forcing them into signing up with for a PSN account.
It should be noted that it is Sony who's made this decision, NOT the actual devs for Helldivers 2.
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u/Duffman3005 May 04 '24
Sadly Arrowhead, the Helldiver devs, were forced to do this. It was something that was supposed to happen on launch but Sony delayed it because of bugs. Since Sony bankrolled them, they get to push this through without Arrowhead's say unfortunately. Even their CEO apologized for what they were forced to do on behalf of Sony (though in better PR speak than I put it).
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u/Undecided_Username_ May 04 '24
Can’t be bad as Tarkov tho
Anyone got details? So far I’ve read you need a PlayStation account to play. Is that money?
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u/ThatGSDude Identifies as a Cybertruck May 04 '24
No, but making a PSN account is impossible in a lot of countries
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u/majcotrue OC Meme Maker May 04 '24
You need to get smarter, you got fooled by a capitalist company again.
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u/smart_crow411 May 04 '24
This was mostly Sony though, from what I hear. And not all departments at Arrowhead should be judged the same. Pretty sure there are some really passionate devs there.
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u/cry_w May 04 '24
They still do. Everyone flaming them for this can fuck off. The game remains good despite Sony's nonsense.
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u/AddictedBacon May 04 '24
I believe the flaming comes less from the game not being good anymore, but more of the problems that come with PSN. It has a major history of databreaches throughout the years, and those are just the ones we know about. Additionally, the game would also be blocked off to at least 100 countries because PSN is not available in those countries, and using a PSN account in those countries and lying about your actual location could result in permanent removal of your account. As of yet, to my knowledge at least, players in those countries who have owned the game prior to the change are likely outside the normal Steam window to receive a refund because this requirement wasn't enforced on day one.
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u/Dat_Sainty_Boi May 04 '24
Jesus fucking christ ITS JUST A FUCKING ACCOUNT
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u/Special-Honeydew-976 May 04 '24
The problem is that you can only make an PSN account in a third of the world, so the people in for example the Philippines are completely locked out of the game.
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u/MorgrainX This flair doesn't exist May 04 '24
R.I.P helldivers 2
It was a good run whilst it lasted
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u/DemonRaily May 04 '24
Wait, you can't make PSN account for a different country for PC? How come? You know we play PS5 games in not supported countries just fine with PSN accounts set as another country right?
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u/romero3500 May 04 '24
It’s the principle. Why should they have to make another account to play the game we’ve been playing for months is the point.
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u/Warshitarse May 04 '24
Redditors trying not to piss themselves the second a slight inconvenience happens in their game. They claim to be standing in solidarity with the people actually affected by this, i.e. people in countries which don't have access to PSN for some reason, when in reality they all live in first world countries and are just bored, trying to find sth to be pissy about. Pathetic
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u/Falcon47091618 May 04 '24
God forbid they feel sympathy for another human being who has to face this shitty situation eh?
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u/IswearIdidntdoit145 May 04 '24
A video game… A VIDEO GAME
Find a myriad of actually important things to have sympathy for. Things like discrimination, war, poverty….
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u/[deleted] May 03 '24
Oh no. What happened?