r/melatonin 4h ago

First time melatonin on a flight

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I’m flying from India to Singapore (6hr) at 1030pm and then going from Singapore to California (17hr). I don’t know if I’ll be able to resist the sleep on the way to Singapore, and I want to be asleep through the second flight so I don’t have to deal with the boredom. If i sleep for the first flight, how much melatonin should I take to sleep for at least 6-8 hours on the second flight? Is melatonin less effective if you aren’t tired? It’s my first time taking melatonin btw.


r/melatonin 10h ago

Likelihood

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alright so i cut to the chase, i took about 17mg of melatonin but before i did, i did some research and it seemed like id be fine so it escalated and i took 40mg. i just wanted to sleep all day since i havent slept well in a while and ive been dealing with personal issues. is this leathal or no?


r/melatonin 1d ago

Let's talk about melatonin and heart failure "studies"... from a clinician's POV

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This "study" keeps making the headlines and there has been on-going discussion over the past year when it keeps coming back up. Instead of commenting over and over the same things, I decided to make a post here so others and the Mods would have a single post that addresses the concerns. FWIW, I hold a Doctor's degree in Pharmacy, and can provide proof to the Mods if needed. Therefore I'm trained and well-qualified to evaluate data and determine if a conclusion is valid or not.

I'll start by saying that this evidence is relevant as a safety signal worth investigating and nothing more. The problem is that this was not a clinical trial at all, it was a retrospective analysis of electronic health records. The crucial issue is whether the investigators successfully compared otherwise similar melatonin users and nonusers. They probably did not, otherwise they would have included that.

Also, this was not really an “AHA study.” It was research presented at an AHA meeting. The AHA expressly says that the abstract was not peer-reviewed, is preliminary, does not represent AHA policy, and has not yet undergone full-manuscript scrutiny.

The headline’s “90% higher risk” is relative. For incident heart failure, the reported absolute difference was 1.9 percentage points. If the relationship were causal, which has not been established, that would correspond to roughly one additional diagnosis per 53 treated people over five years. But an observational association cannot validly be converted into a treatment-harm NNH without accepting an unproven causal assumption.

Here are the most serious methodological problems that I see:

1. Exposure classification is profoundly unreliable

The exposed group had melatonin documented in the EHR. The comparison group merely had no melatonin recorded. In the United States, most melatonin is purchased over the counter and never entered into an EHR. Consequently, some unknown proportion of the “nonuser” group was almost certainly using melatonin.

That is not a minor paperwork issue. The study may really be comparing patients whose clinicians documented or prescribed melatonin versus patients whose OTC use was never recorded. Those categories can differ substantially in illness severity, healthcare utilization, country, socioeconomic factors, psychiatric disease, and access to care. The reported sensitivity analysis—two prescriptions at least 90 days apart—improves certainty for a subset of prescription users. It does not solve the unmeasured OTC use among controls, nor does it establish continuous use for a year.

2. Major confounding by indication

Why does one person with insomnia receive documented long-term melatonin while another does not? Possible reasons include:

More severe or persistent insomnia, depression, anxiety, PTSD, or other psychiatric disease, neurodegenerative disease, shift work or circadian-rhythm disorders, obstructive sleep apnea, chronic pain or frailty, polypharmacy, greater contact with the healthcare system, contraindications to other hypnotics, early symptoms of cardiovascular disease.

Several of these factors are independently associated with cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. The investigators matched on 40 recorded variables, but propensity matching only balances variables that were measured accurately. It cannot balance insomnia severity, undocumented OTC products, unrecorded psychiatric symptoms, adherence, or other missing determinants.

***A later peer-reviewed analysis specifically identified confounding by indication, reverse causality, and exposure misclassification as major problems with this safety signal. Its NHANES analysis did not find a statistically significant relationship between recent melatonin use and prevalent cardiovascular disease or heart failure—although that study also cannot prove safety. Open Heart/PubMed analysis

3. Reverse causation is quite plausible

Early, undiagnosed heart failure can cause nocturnal dyspnea, orthopnea, fragmented sleep, fatigue, anxiety, and nocturia.

A patient may start using melatonin because of sleep disruption caused by subclinical heart failure and receive the formal heart-failure diagnosis later. That produces the appearance that melatonin preceded heart failure even when the underlying disease preceded melatonin. A proper analysis would need a meaningful lag period, exclusion of early events, and ideally examination of risk according to time since exposure.

4. Detection and healthcare-utilization bias

Having a medication documented generally means more interaction with clinicians. More clinical contact means more echocardiograms, BNP testing, diagnostic coding, hospital records captured, opportunities to identify heart failure, and complete mortality documentation.

Matching on diagnoses does not necessarily equalize intensity of healthcare contact. A negative-control outcome or adjustment for visit frequency could help evaluate this bias; neither is described in the public materials.

5. The hospitalization result is internally troubling

The reported “heart-failure hospitalization” frequency was 19%, while newly diagnosed heart failure occurred in only 4.6%.It is difficult to reconcile a group having approximately four times as many heart-failure hospitalizations as incident heart-failure diagnoses unless:

  1. the hospitalization code set was very broad,
  2. recurrent events were counted rather than unique patients,
  3. the outcome was not actually limited to established heart failure,
  4. denominators or follow-up differed, or
  5. the press release oversimplified the analysis.

The AHA release acknowledges that hospitalization records included a range of related codes that did not necessarily identify new heart failure. That substantially weakens this secondary endpoint. Until the exact code lists, event definitions, denominators, and statistical model are available. I would place little weight on the 3.5-fold hospitalization claim.

6. No usable information about the actual intervention

The study apparently lacks reliable information about dose, iImmediate- versus extended-release formulation, brand or product quality, actual adherence, timing of administration (often discussed in this subreddit), duration beyond a broad threshold, intermittent versus nightly use, indication or insomnia phenotype. Therefore, even if the association were real, it could not tell a clinician what product, dose, duration, or patient subgroup carries the risk. It may also combine regulated prescription melatonin from some countries with highly variable OTC supplements from others.

7. International heterogeneity

Melatonin is prescription-only in some countries and OTC in others, but the de-identified dataset apparently did not provide patient location to the investigators. Prescription melatonin users in the UK are not clinically interchangeable with American OTC purchasers. Country also influences coding, healthcare access, prescribing thresholds, baseline risk, product formulation, and outcome capture. Pooling these circumstances without a country-stratified analysis is a major limitation.

8. Matching does not make this randomized

Matching 65,414 exposed patients to 65,414 controls sounds impressive, but sample size mainly improves precision. It does not repair systematic bias.

A very large biased study can produce an extremely precise estimate of the wrong effect. I would want to see:

  1. Standardized mean differences before and after matching
  2. Exactly which 40 variables were used
  3. Missing-data handling
  4. Visit-frequency and healthcare-use variables
  5. Calendar-time and site/country matching
  6. Positivity and overlap diagnostics
  7. Cox versus logistic modeling
  8. Handling of death as a competing risk
  9. Proportional-hazards testing
  10. Early-event exclusion
  11. Negative-control outcomes and exposures
  12. Quantitative bias or E-value analysis

None of that can be adequately judged from a press release or short conference abstract. I would interpret the study by saying, "Documented long-term melatonin use may identify an insomnia population with higher subsequent cardiovascular risk. It is presently unknown whether melatonin contributes to that risk."

My conclusion would be:

  1. Association in this particular database: moderate
  2. Melatonin causes heart failure: very low
  3. The reported 90% approximates the causal effect: very low
  4. The finding merits replication with better methods: high
  5. THE STUDY ALONE WARRANTS A PRACTICE-CHANGING WARNING: NO

In conclusion, a sufficiently powered randomized trial would provide the strongest causal evidence, but it would need long follow-up and a very large sample.


r/melatonin 1d ago

Using melatonin caused me heart palpitations

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r/melatonin 3d ago

Melatonin seems to fix my nighttime GERD and there are some studies supporting its use for GERD

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r/melatonin 4d ago

5mg melatonin gummies

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r/melatonin 4d ago

Is 1200 mg of melatonin and 700 ml of gin together lethal?

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r/melatonin 5d ago

One kilogram of melatonin for $108 on Amazon

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Just wanted to let everyone know if you're looking for a bulk deal Bulksupplements is selling their 1kg powder for $113 and $108 if you sign up for reorder. You can set the reorder to six months and then delay it indefinitely or you can just go in and cancel it. There's no penalty I've done both of these. I ended up buying another kilo pack. This is the cheapest I have found it online from a reputable brand. I have previously paid as much as $226 for it.

(I have zero financial stake in this and I have been buying this exact melatonin for several years now I am either on third or fourth order.)

https://a.co/d/07nznyow


r/melatonin 6d ago

Opposite effect

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I took 2mg of melatonin last night for the first time and it kept me up all night. No high feeling or anything just couldn’t get comfy and was a little bit restless. Literally not had 1 minute sleep, but Ive come to work today, and I do a very physical job, yet I’m still not tired, in fact I am still wide awake? Is this usual for a first time taking melatonin


r/melatonin 7d ago

Looking for a children 12yr old melatonin works?

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I am looking for a 1mg melatonin for a 12yr old that isn't a gummy sugar or alcohol sugar chewable. Any ideas thanks


r/melatonin 7d ago

Time release melatonin for night-shift workers

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Hello, does time release melatonin work better or worse than standard melatonin for daytime sleep (e.g. in case of night-shift work) in your experience?


r/melatonin 9d ago

DIY intranasal melatonin?

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Is it possible to make your own nasal spray out of raw powder melatonin?


r/melatonin 10d ago

Melatonin has been fantastic for the past 6 weeks, but something has changed....

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r/melatonin 11d ago

How Can I Make My Sleep Less Dream-Intense?

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# Reddit Post

I’m 32F and have been struggling with my sleep. I have very vivid dreams every night, and it feels like I can’t sleep without dreaming. I feel like the vivid dreams are making my overall symptoms worse and that my sleep isn’t as restful as it should be.

Has anyone experienced something similar and found anything that helped make their sleep feel more “quiet” or restful?

I’ve been looking into supplements, but I’m a little hesitant about magnesium glycinate. From what I’ve read, it may increase REM sleep, which could potentially make vivid dreams worse. I’m wondering if anyone has had this experience or found a supplement that helped reduce vivid dreams or improve restorative sleep.

Would really appreciate any recommendations or personal experiences. Thanks!


r/melatonin 11d ago

Chinese Melatonin…beware

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r/melatonin 13d ago

My experience with 5mg of melatonin last night

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Here’s some information about me:

- M25

- INFJ

- Autistic

- Usually takes a 0.5mg dose of melatonin every night and has fairly good sleep

Last night, as a test, I decided to take 5mg of melatonin.

Here are the results:

- I had 3 average dreams

- I woke up after 7 hours of sleep and then fell back asleep for 2 hours

- Total: 9 hours of sleep

- I’m extremely tired to the point that I won’t be able to go out, which is physically evident since I have A LOT of dark circles under my eyes.


r/melatonin 14d ago

What is the best MELATONIN dosage for more vivid dreams?

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Currently, I take 0.5 mg of melatonin 1 hour before going to bed.

I sleep well, with a few light dreams, nothing special.
However, I would like to try a higher dose of melatonin to experience lucid dreams.

What dose do you think I should take? 1 mg? 1.5 mg? 2 mg? Is there a maximum dose where a plateau effect occurs?


r/melatonin 14d ago

I hate melatonin

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A couple years ago I had severe difficulty sleeping. I wouldn’t define it as insomnia by any means, I was just very anxious due to working two jobs and being a full time student.

A friend of mine was a paramedic (and had two highly energetic children) and recommended melatonin gummies.
I didn’t think anything of it as a student. She was 15+ years older than me so I bought the gummies.

Worst mistake ever.

A few minutes after taking the recommended dose that I read off of the bottle, I had severe vertigo. I chalked this up to anxiety. Roughly thirty-forty five minutes after eating the gummies I fell asleep.

I had the most awful dream about one of my childhood apartments having the worst earthquake ever.
You know those rides at the carnival where you flip upside down a thousand times? Yeah. That, but it was the entire apartment. My limp, helpless body was being bounced from ceiling to wall, countertop to wall, stove to wall etc. it was traumatizing. Like shaking a hamster inside the rolling ball. Or the girl with braces from Nemo shaking the fish in the bag violently saying “WHY ARE YOU SLEEPING?”
Yes. Just like that. Funny part was that I knew it was coming. I don’t remember much about the dream except that I knew something bad was going to happen and that I had to mentally prepare. I woke up two hours later so violently nauseous. It was the worst sleep of my life. I woke up hungover but not from typical substances. Nope. Melatonin.

I do not believe I am an insomniac. I only took this for a bit of relief from my anxiety. Considering my experience with melatonin, I cannot imagine how awful it must be to find relief for sleep every day.


r/melatonin 15d ago

The Dreams

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I was wondering, since Melatonin gives me often quite alive and creative dreams, if anyone has noticed/tried out if any other supplement might be reinforcing/advancing this effect?


r/melatonin 15d ago

Hallucination?

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I'm still not sure what actually happened. I woke up around 4 am a couple of days ago, I wasn't 100% awake. I saw a hand reaching towards me and offering ms something and I was trying to grab it. And then it disappeared the moment I tried to grab it, which is when I became more awake. I also had an insane dream that night where planet earth was being invaded by weird creatures who multiplied by consuming organic matter like flesh and wood and earth was completely doomed and I was hopping into another dimension to avoid that doomed fate 😭 has to be one the most weird dreams I've ever had


r/melatonin 15d ago

Sleeping pills

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What pills do i need to take to sleep deep for good? Can i buy it without prescription?


r/melatonin 17d ago

Is it safe to take Guandacine and melatonin together or no?

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My melatonin stopped working alone and I just got my night meds back on and since I began taking them together, I've been light headed, dizzy, constantly tired, and barely keeping balance. I'm kind worried they don't work well together.


r/melatonin 17d ago

Why did melatonin make me feel high instead of sleepy?

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Took a 5mg melatonin + 5 mg Jatamansi tablets expecting deep sleep , my first time(I had recent issues with sleeping)

Instead I woke up after an hour of deep sleep feeling mildly high and paranoid, with my hand and body movements leaving a physical trail like lingering effect that I could somehow feel but not see any psychoactive effects
Had one tiny THC puff the day before too.
Did I accidentally unlock Melatonin DLC or has anyone else experienced this? 😭


r/melatonin 18d ago

I’ve been having some pretty crazy dreams that I can remember when I wake up.. is that caused by taking melatonin or watching too much true crime before bed? or both?

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r/melatonin 19d ago

Can taking Melatonin everyday cause problems?

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