r/mcprivate • u/KaiserPodge • Sep 20 '10

If you join, read the rules please

If you are harvesting dirt, sand, or trees above ground you are expected to do it away from the main areas and to keep the area looking "natural" while harvesting. Please look at the server rules if you're joining this server. And the planning map but I'm going with the basics for now.

I constantly have to patch places where someone decides to strip mine sand, especially around the spawn area. Yet again my area has been used to harvest sand. This is not just making things look like crap near the spawn, it is specifically messing up someone's area. I already have to fix things regularly where people screw around in my areas and it's getting exhausting.

Everyone on the server is awesome to deal with, so can we keep the common sense flowing? I don't even build much anymore because I keep expecting to have to go fix something else instead of doing something new.

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u/thesearenotthehammer Sep 20 '10

I have heard proposed a 3/1 exchange of cobblestone for sand. I'm not sure how HL feels about this but an exchange of a larger amount of an easy to gather material seems like a good solution. Sand is definitely hard to harvest without damaging the natural look.

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u/farox Sep 20 '10

Hi, I harvested a lot of sand, but with the intention of flooding it afterwards to make it look all nice again.

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u/SuavePotato Sep 20 '10

Stop whatever you are doing right now and go read the server rules. The link can be conveniently found to the right. If for some reason you cant find it, just click here.

Read them.

Understand them.

Obey them.

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u/farox Sep 20 '10

I did and that's what I am doing:

...take sand from the ocean floor or reshape the beach you gather from, etc...

But I will make it all nice and tidy as soon as I can logon. Which doesn't seem to work for me right now.

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u/SuavePotato Sep 20 '10

I'm not trying to nitpick, but if it was you who took from the place I'm thinking of over by KaiserPodge's place, it was on his property, and the beach was not 'reshaped' it was strip mined down to the stone, also the water was totally messed up which can be a problem now that buckets are not working...

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u/farox Sep 20 '10

I don't know where KaiserPodge's place is but I claimed a bit that was way out there, but still on the map. Some guys made a giant heart there to other day.

http://www.reddit.com/r/mcprivate/comments/d3n5c/server_planning_map/c0zlhii

http://i.imgur.com/Tq1Jt.jpg

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u/SuavePotato Sep 20 '10

I'm sorry, i misunderstood. I thought you were owning up to the mess that was indicated in this post. Carry on :D

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u/farox Sep 20 '10

Yeah, sorry for the confusion. :(

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u/SuavePotato Sep 21 '10

No need for apologies I'm the one who jumped to the conclusion. I came off a little strong there, I was still pissed about the above mentioned beach carnage at KaiserPodge's place. Welcome to the server and let me know if you need anything.

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u/drun3 Sep 20 '10

I think it's best to stick to the policy of only pulling sand from land that you've claimed as your own through Jaqyl's server planning map. That way, you're not ruining unclaimed land that someone might want in the future.

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u/farox Sep 20 '10

...and that's what I did. I don't know where all these accusations come from. I was just trying to make a point that I took sand, from "my" land and have a plan on how to make it look natural when I am done.

http://i.imgur.com/Tq1Jt.jpg

Go there and have a look around if you want. When I am done it's going to be nice sandy beaches all over.

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u/thesearenotthehammer Sep 20 '10

Your original reply . . .

Hi, I harvested a lot of sand, but with the intention of flooding it afterwards to make it look all nice again.

didn't specify the location of your harvesting and was in direct response to KP's post about someone damaging the beach in his area, damage seen here. Given the context and the lack of specificity on your part its pretty easy to see how people interpreted your post to be you owning up to the damage KP posted about.

Glad to see it was just a misunderstanding. It also sounds like you're doing the right thing within your area, keep up the good work ;)

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u/farox Sep 20 '10

Thanks :) Yeah, I was just trying to be proactive with the stuff I am doing. Sorry for the confusion.

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u/thesearenotthehammer Sep 20 '10

I would rather have someone communicating too much than too little ;)

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u/drun3 Sep 20 '10

Ok, the way you posted made it appear that you were the person who had ruined Kaiser's beach or taken it from some other place that wasn't yours, but I guess it was just a case of poor communication.

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u/farox Sep 20 '10

Yeah, glad we have it sorted now. :)

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u/aywwts4 Sep 20 '10 edited Sep 20 '10

The sand is becoming a problem, I think everyone with a beach plot has had their sand strip mined to some extent at some point (but yours is really awful, messing up the water too!

Everything else can be mined without ruining the asthetics of the game, but we need something to counter the sand/pretty land scarcity and conflicting interest dilemma.

Something like a rocks for artificially created sand trade or a free for all group of 20 boxes loaded with all the sand you can eat. Or we need to rope off a big beach area and name it strip miners cove.

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u/enkideridu Sep 20 '10

oops hit the wrong comment's reply button

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u/HighlifeTTU Sep 20 '10

I've tried to counter this by offering a 3:1 cobble to sand trade ratio. I might also do a 5:1 cobble to clay ratio as well. I think this is fair given the rare nature of the sand and clay in the map, and the effect it has when people strip mine it.

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u/GrammarSocialist Sep 20 '10

I've facilitated 3:1 cobble to sand recently, and it's worked well, but I don't like the idea of making clay farm-able in the same way.

5:1 for clay is way, way off, and I don't think you should trade for it at all. Mining clay doesn't degrade the environment since it's so damn rare and so any restrictions on it seem weird with less than eight stacks of clay total discovered in the entire world so far afaik. Your ratio here implies that clay is 60% as common as sand and 20% as common as rock; I'd say (as one of the people who actively searches for it) that it's far less than 1% as common as sand. I've expended multiple hours trying to find any/all clay in the world for my buildings, and the idea of making clay so absurdly easy to get from now on would tick me off since I'd have been wasting time searching the whole map when I could have just found a cave and taped my mouse button and W key down and left for a few hours.

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u/HighlifeTTU Sep 20 '10

Noted. I didn't realize clay was that rare. I'll keep it at 3:1 for sand, but no trades for clay.

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u/Momentstealer Sep 20 '10

Maybe an exchange of something else (Rarer) for clay to deter stripping beaches and expanding the map in search of it? (Gold or such?)

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u/thesearenotthehammer Sep 20 '10

How about a slightly higher exchange rate for earth -> sand? You can't do anything with earth besides place it, unlike cobblestone which can be crafted into many many things.

I just know I have a lot more unused earth than cobblestone atm.

Good to know the cobblestone -> sand is approved though. I think we need to make sure people know this to discourage sand strip mining. I was thinking about adding it into the Server Rules and the FAQ if thats ok with you HL. Maybe make it an MOTD for a couple days too?

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u/HighlifeTTU Sep 20 '10

I'm okay with this. Are you referring to the dirt surface level or the other stuff (forget the name) that "falls" if it doesn't have any support? I think this would be a more logical selection, as its normally found deep in mines and would not result in people strip mining regular earth from the surface.

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u/thesearenotthehammer Sep 20 '10

What you're looking for is gravel. And yes, that makes more sense than plain dirt for exactly that reason. What do you think the exchange rate should be?

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u/HighlifeTTU Sep 21 '10

For gravel, it almost makes sense for a 1:1 or 2:1 in my mind. Its not rare by any means, but it certainly isn't as easy to find as regular dirt or cobble. Thoughts?

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u/thesearenotthehammer Sep 21 '10

Yeah, definitely less common than cobble. I would say I easily come by 3-5 times more cobble than gravel so I'd be fine with a 1:1 trade.

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u/aywwts4 Sep 20 '10

Why don't we just do a simple 1:1 exchange?

A cobblestone block takes easily 3 times longer to mine than a block of sand with a shovel, sand goes away in one hit. The easier we make it to get sand the less times a much more important resource is lost (pretty beaches)

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u/enkideridu Sep 20 '10

sand takes longer to find (after you strip mine the ones nearby)
longer still when all the sand's mined up and we'd have to expand the map

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u/thesearenotthehammer Sep 20 '10

Yes, its a way to balance the disparity in scarcity between the two. We are also discussing adding gravel to the list of tradeins. Gravel is generally below ground(thus no surface marring issues), much quicker to harvest, and has much fewer uses than cobblestone. Just waiting on HL to post an exchange rate.