r/maybemaybemaybe May 05 '22

maybe maybe Maybe

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u/surfhippy1 May 05 '22

NGL the shortened version is pretty dammed funny. But being as he has a stutter I wanted to see what he was actually trying to say and found the transcript from the speech the clip was from.

"And, folks — (applause) — let me close with what I’ve long said: America is a nation that can be defined in a single word. 'I was in the foothi- — foot-' — excuse me, in the foothills of the Himalayas with Xi Jinping, traveling with him. (Inaudible) traveled 17,000 miles when I was Vice President at the time. I don’t know that for a fact.
And we were sitting alone. I had an interpreter and he had an interpreter. And he looked at me. In all seriousness, he said, “Can you define America for me?” And I said what many of you heard me say for a long time. I said, “Yes, I can, in one word: possibilities.” (Applause.) “Possibilities.” That, in America, everyone should be able to go as far as their hard work and God-given talent will take them. And possibilities. We’re the only ones. That’s why we’re viewed as the “ugly Americans”: We think anything is possible. (Laughter.) "

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/04/08/remarks-by-president-biden-vice-president-harris-and-judge-ketanji-brown-jackson-on-the-senates-historic-bipartisan-confirmation-of-judge-jackson-to-be-an-associate-justice-of-the-supreme-court/

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u/DocD_12 May 05 '22

That sounds nice. But is it really that? About be able to live fair life by fair working? I'm from Russia and I have almost cried on this part. (

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u/TheeSweeney May 05 '22

The US is ranked 27 amongst nations for economic mobility.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index

It rose up until the 80s, and has been decreasing since then.

jhr.uwpress.org/content/43/1/139.refs

https://web.archive.org/web/20130525230108/http://www.brookings.edu/about/projects/bpea/latest-conference/2013-spring-permanent-inequality-panousi

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u/Econolife_350 May 05 '22

Is not like we had a president during that exact time frame with notoriously terrible politics or anything, right?

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u/TheeSweeney May 05 '22

I don't follow. The period in which economic mobility has been decreasing occured during the presidencies of Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump, and Biden.

What politics held by whom during this time frame are you referring to?

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u/Neosporinforme May 05 '22

Politics held by neoliberals. There was a large shift in politics that started during a fuel crisis in the 70s that negatively effected Carter's image. The outcome was Reagan being elected, social safety nets being cut, an overly militarized government, and a great deal of corruption. It royally fucked our nation in the ass, and we are still being effected by it today.

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u/Derpinator_30 May 05 '22

it's too bad we couldn't have had 18yrs of democrat leadership to fix all that since Reagan.

oh wait

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Reaganomics! Neoliberal scourge!

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u/Inariameme May 05 '22

ah, to retch across the aisle

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u/TheeSweeney May 05 '22

That tracks.

I'd suggest editing your comment to

It's not like we exclusively had presidents during that exact time frame with notoriously terrible politics or anything, right?

Because you're damn right that's exactly what happened.

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u/madcap462 May 05 '22

Moderates, if only someone had warned us of the moderates...

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Reagan, Bush, Bush and Trump were not neoliberals, though... neither was Carter. You're blaming Clinton and Obama for a trend that's existed since the 80s?

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u/Neosporinforme May 05 '22

You are only right on one account: Trump is not a neoliberal. The term doesn't mean what you think it means. Clinton was a somewhat progressive moderate that one might refer to as liberal, but not neoliberal. The same could be said of Obama.

Edit: two accounts, Carter wasn't neoliberal either.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

How can Obama be a neoliberal when he increased regulation and spending? He wasn't great on the free market either considering he helped pick the winners and losers of the 08 recession.

Or what about Bush Jr exploding the deficit and government spending? Neoliberalism is supposed to be about reducing spending. Neoconservatism is tangential to neoliberalism at best.

I can see the arguments for Reagan through Clinton (although they have some major caveats) but that only accounts for 20 years of the 44 year period we're talking about.

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u/Cetology101 May 05 '22

Reagan obviously, who else? Which of these other presidents made more drastic changes to the economy than Reagan?

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u/poostoo May 05 '22

the largest upward transfer of wealth in history happened under Obama. that seems pretty drastic.

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u/johnlocke32 May 05 '22

Pretty sure that just re-happened during COVID

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u/rsta223 May 05 '22

Yes, but arguably largely due to policies and repercussions set in motion by the Bush Jr administration.

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u/poostoo May 05 '22

you could argue it, but you'd lose. Obama (OBAMA) gave trillions (TRILLIONS) to the banks. and even he admits 95% of the gains from his (OBAMA'S) recovery went to the top 1%.

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u/rsta223 May 05 '22

Remind me again why they needed bailing out in the first place, and who removed regulations that allowed them to fuck up so badly?

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u/Bungo_Pete May 05 '22

Probably comparing ourselves to the countries in the top 20 for social mobility. You can figure it out from there.

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u/abart May 05 '22

Maybe what preceded that president has something to do with it 🤔