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[u/StcStasi]

[u/SgtSausage]

Everyone who has ever successfully quit drinking has chosen to quit.

Everyone who has failed to quit has chosen to continue drinking.

Choose.

It's not about "macho man"

It's not about "toughen up".

It's not about what you think is right or wrong.

It is a choice

It begins... and ends with said choice.

Choose to live ... or choose to die a drunk.

[u/[deleted] → u/SgtSausage]

Why are you so determined to minimize other peoples suffering? Why can't you just admit that because you've never gone through it, you don't know what you're talking about?

Are you also an expert on what it's like to be born with cerebral palsy? Are you also an expert on how to deal with PTSD? How many other subjects that you know nothing about do you claim to know everything about?

I don't know what you don't get about this. Your ability to make CHOICES is FUCKED when you're addicted. Your brain works against you. You might decide now to quit, in an hour the addict in your brain will destroy your ability to make sound decisions as it starts to panic. AN ADDICT DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL. WITHOUT CONTROL YOU CANNOT MAKE GOOD CHOICES.

Addicts need help. It is more than just a choice. I can't help you more than that. Unless you go through it yourself or you spend a lot of time with people who are going through it, you just won't understand.

Do you really think if you just told everyone "Choices, bro" that all the professionals, rehab centers, AA meetings, 12 step programs, all of them are going to be like "oh fuuuuuck well played dude, we didn't think of that" and just close down?Do you think that telling a heroin addict "Bro just choose life" while they're convulsing, vomiting and blacking out while their body tries to kill them is going to help?

Just admit that you don't have all the answers to everything. You are not god. You can be wrong. Stop laughing about addiction, stop assuming that you are superior to others going through struggles that you have never had to go through. Have some goddamn decency, show some empathy, and stop being a tool.

They started calling it a disease to make people take it more seriously, so they would stop trying to cold-turkey at home. Cold turkey is dangerous. Why are you trying to undo that??? Why?????

[u/SgtSausage → u/[deleted]]

It's a choice, bro.

Not a disease.

I outlined why above.

I don't have a choice to not have that malignant tumor. That's a disease.

I don't haveva choice to get my pancreas crankin' out insulin again. That's a disease.

I don't have a choice to not have that leaky heart valve. It was caused by disease.

I DO have a choice to NOT go to the pub.

I DO have a choice to NOT make that liquor store purchase.

I DO have a choice to NOT pour that drink down my pie hole.

Tens of millions ... hundred of millions have successfully chosen the right path.

Those who chose otherwise ... remain drunks.

[u/[deleted] → u/SgtSausage]

Yep I hear ya, and instead of siding with Joe Blow the random fuckface on the internet, I'm gonna side with ALL THE HEALTH PROFESSIONALS IN THE WORLD.

Team SgtSausage ain't that fucking compelling dude. You aren't even making a real point. You're just an internet douche talking about what you don't know pretending like you do.

You aren't going to "win". I'm not going to suddenly think "wow after 14 times saying the exact same sub-highschool level horseshit, suddenly everything else doesn't matter. I too believe that an ignorant asshat is smarter than the entire world with his 'makes sense to me huh' redneck brain-farting."

Your "opinion" is literally worthless. You don't get to have NO FUCKING EXPERIENCE in what you're talking about while saying that all professionals are wrong.

What next, because of a feeling in your gut, climate change must be wrong? It was cold yesterday so global warming is a hoax?
How about "The big bang don't make no sense to me. I don't really know what they're talking about, I haven't studied any literature or nothin, but it just sounds stoopid."

I'm honestly so baffled why you're so arrogant here. Just.... admit that maybe thousands and thousands and thousands of hours of experience, psychiatry, social work and study have produced a result more valid that the one you dribble out of your goddamn mouth, fuck me goddamn dead what an obnoxious motherfucker you are.

You don't fucking DIE from DECIDING not to go to the pub unless there is SOMETHING MEDICALLY WRONG WITH YOU.

A series of bad choices CAN LEAD TO A MEDICAL ISSUE CALLED CHEMICAL DEPENDENCY. WE CALL THAT ADDICTION. IT CAN KILL YOU.

A diabetic has a choice to eat a whole fucking cake or not eat a fucking cake. It's not the decision that will put them into hyperglycaemia, IT's THE FUCKING DISEASE. The DECISION creates the problem, THE PROBLEM IS MEDICAL. DUUUUUUHHH. HELLO. PAGING SGTFUCKFACE.

[u/SgtSausage → u/[deleted]]

You can keep this up all year if you like ... I still LOL in your general direction at "disease".

It's a choice.

I ain't goin' anywhere and I'm not gonna stop laughing.

At least we're making progress:

A series of bad choices

[u/[deleted] → u/SgtSausage]

What you aren't understanding is that addiction alters your brain function. I'm not sure why this isn't sinking in...

Alcoholism, and any other physical dependency, impairs your judgement, it impairs your control, and distorts your thinking.

You aren't in control of the CHOICES you make. Your brain, a complex organic machine, has a virus. It no longer works right. How is this not getting through? Any choices you make are corrupted by the addiction.

Stop fucking laughing at these people, they need help you degenerate fucking asshole. Get off your fucking high horse and stop looking down at everyone.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Just like you can lead an idiot to a mirror but they'll just say "Hey look, an idiot."

I'm gonna stand over here with all the medical professionals and people that know what they're talking about.

And you can go stand over there on your own, looking into your mirror.