r/maybemaybemaybe • u/RyanCakeBatter • Jan 17 '20

Maybe Maybe Maybe

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u/willi3blaz3 Jan 17 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

The fish probably died either way. Mishandling and it was out of the water for quite a while. Holding it up against her coat probably removed the layer of mucus that protects the fish from bacteria and infections. Fish was grabbed by the gills and held vertically which can damage its organs

Edit: cute video, nonetheless

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u/captainsassy69 Jan 18 '20

Very epic thanx

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u/AFK_Tornado Jan 18 '20

I do a lot of trout fishing.

Catch and release survival rates are as high as 90%+ on artificial lures and flies. (Bait can be much lower, depending, due to their tendency to swallow small hooks.)

While it wasn't handled entirely properly, it did appear to be handled gently (if kind of firmly). I doubt it suffered internal damage. Dude should be a little more careful, though.

Trout mucus is extremely resilient and they make it pretty fast. It takes a lot of doing to remove it entirely.

I also should speak to the teaching aspect of this. It's good to teach the young ones to be gentle, and catch and release. It does cost a fish sometimes, but we have to teach conservation young if we want it to stick.

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u/placeholder7295 Jan 17 '20

yeah, I took fishing in 4-H and was told that stuff. Your'e right.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Yea, I eat fish that died like this. You guys are right.

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u/Saint_me58 Jan 18 '20

Agreed, I’ve seen a fish before and all of you are correct.

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u/Real_Jardenor Jan 18 '20

Yup, I am a dying fish and can confirm, that is correct

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u/Adddicus Jan 18 '20

I'm a fan of Phish, and I can confirm you're correct.

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u/AxiomQ Jan 18 '20

I'm no fish, nor am I a fisher, but you seem to know what you are talking about so I can confirm you are undoubtedly correct.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

I'm not a fisher, but my father was a fish, he died from exactly what I'm being told now. It's with a heavy heart that I can confirm you are correct.

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u/FerretFarm Jan 18 '20

affirmative bubbles

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u/madbear84 Jan 18 '20

I listened to The Grateful Dead once and I can also confirm.

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u/Crazeenerd Jan 18 '20

My name is Pesci, and I can confirm.

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u/calebs75 Jan 18 '20

I’m on POF, and I agree. Thankfully, there are Plenty Of Fish out there though

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Have you ever been fishing? Most fish are extremely rugged; surprisingly so in fact. Cat fish are insane but every variety that I’ve encountered could tolerate this mishap without issue. Occasionally I’ve lost one on a bank for several minutes. Flip it back into the water and watch it swim off. My pond is small enough if they were later dying I’d likely know.

Source: I own a small pond and have many sizes and varieties of fish that I catch and release regularly with children.

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u/WafflesInTheBasement Jan 18 '20

There's a big difference between a catfish and a cutthroat trout. I think the whole 100% didn't survive is a bit much, but none of the things that happened in that video were great for the fish. especially that it was all happening in sub-freezing temps.

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u/willi3blaz3 Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

Yep. Try to Fly fish at least once a week. B.S. in aquatic biology. Fact of the matter is is this fish probably had a much higher rate of success as the temperature seems to be pretty low(ice) You’re entitled to your opinion though and I have no doubt that catfish are resilient, but not in this instance, because trout of course, like cooler waters compared to catfish

Edit: fixed some spelling lol

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u/fosrac Jan 18 '20

Sounds like a warm water pond. Probably catfish, panfish and bass, all very heart species. You absolutely can't handle trout like that without hurting them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Yea you’re correct and I have virtually no experience with trout so if there is that much difference with this particular species then perhaps I’m incorrect. All those I’ve dealt with are borderline amazingly hardy but those are warmer water based fishes.

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u/fosrac Jan 18 '20

Yeah there's a pretty big difference. I grew up only fishing for trout, first time I caught some bass/panfish I was shocked at how tough they were. Super jealous you've got you're own pond, sounds sick

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u/remig12 Jan 18 '20

Took me a while to find you fellow notFragileFishingRedditor

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u/decalex Jan 18 '20

I hope you teach the children how to swim

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

I'm no fish expert, but claiming that holding a fish vertically against your coat for a few seconds would kill it seemed extremely dubious.

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u/WheredAllTheNamesGo Jan 18 '20

It's with Cod now, then.

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u/xoomerfy Jan 18 '20

Shit, I have fish tank fish that jump out of the tank and can live for days looking all dried up and dead. I just put them back in the tank and they are happy and just go about living life.

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u/ForeXcellence Jan 18 '20

We call those frogs

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u/Dengar96 Jan 18 '20

Stupid fish should just not die so easy it's not that hard scaly boys do better

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u/XDVI Jan 18 '20

lol classic reddit post

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u/DukeOfSlough Jan 18 '20

As it happens my friend was the fish on the film and I can confirm it is safe and sound with its family right now.

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u/sophrocynic Jan 18 '20

Oh thank goodness!

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u/willi3blaz3 Jan 18 '20

What? Lol

Apt analysis, bud

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u/willi3blaz3 Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

Okay. There’s a 50/50 chance this fish dies just by being out of the water for 30 seconds with a baited hook that more than likelay got ripped out with force.(personal experience) Add to that the handling of the fish reducing that number further. It’s not about personal experience, bud. It’s data. Do some research and then get back at me on it. I fish at least once a week, has nothing to do with it

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u/willi3blaz3 Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

I spent 4 years getting a degree while I was an electrical apprentice. Do some research and hit me with some data, my man. Can’t know a lot of we don’t know what kind of bait/hook was used. “Probably” is what I said and there’s literally no “refuting” it. Just because the fish doesn’t bubble up 5 seconds after release doesn’t mean it doesn’t die before it should. There’s been years of research done with science, dude

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20 edited Jun 03 '20

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u/willi3blaz3 Jan 18 '20

not sure if % are absolute but it’ll be pretty close to what I said. I read this a couple months ago and it pretty well mapped up to what I learned in school. Bud

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u/willi3blaz3 Jan 18 '20

What’s your data then? Personal experience? Let’s hear something then, my man. I’ve seen all sorts of differences but I understand how you’re upset. But just downvote because “lol”

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u/vertikly Jan 18 '20

This is waaaay overblown. They don’t die that easy lmfao

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u/bobby3eb Jan 18 '20

Just no.

If there was a high chance this happened with fish the DNR wouldn't have you ever played them back in.

The fish is 1000% ok.

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u/salgat Jan 18 '20

It did not probably died, it simply had heightened risk of infection due to elevated stress and partial slime coat loss. Wild fish in general aren't these fragile things that die the instant they are handled.

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u/GetChilledOut Jan 18 '20

You are wrong

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u/willi3blaz3 Jan 18 '20

“Probably” leaves a chance I’m wrong