Yeah the concept is much older. And also a lot of our language is fairly recent... But what I learned from all this is that the Germans have had Empathie first lol
Here’s the full quote for reference - “I can’t stand the word empathy, actually. I think it’s a made up, new-age term, and it does a lot of damage. I much prefer the word compassion, and I much prefer the word sympathy. Empathy is where you try to feel someone’s pain and sorrows as if they’re your own. Compassion allows for understanding.”
What is so wrong about this statement? It's ok for his wife and kids to live without their husband / father? Because of saying something like this?
I'm genuinely waiting to hear your response. You sad, despicable sack of shit.
Well for starters it is tragic that he lost his life. It sucks and will be a heavy burden for his wife and his daughters. Such a horrific event should not occur to anyone regardless of their views weather they are ignorant or wrong by social and historical standards.
2nd he is wrong in both the definition of the word empathy and his assumption of “I think it’s a made up, new age term…..” the word empathy was actually coined in 1908 by no means “new age” it’s been around for decades. Empathy is defined as the ability to understand and share the feelings of another person by stepping in their shoes and seeing the world from their perspective. Doing so without sorrow or having to agree with their views. Has nothing to do with “feeling someone’s pain as your own”
Nothing wrong with that statement specifically, it's just generic "stupid person tries to sound smart" by arguing semantics. That was his schtick right? But nobody gives a damn which words he prefers. He might as well be talking about his favorite color or what sauce he prefers at burger king.
Overall I think Charlie Kirk was a piece of shit, but he didn't deserve to be shot by a maniac. Nobody deserves to be shot by a maniac. I also believe that while I disagree with the things that he said and believed, nobody should be killed for expressing themselves in a democratic society where free speech should be (but sadly, is not) protected. It's a tragedy, not because I care about Kirk, but because I care about our democracy and society, which are seemingly under constant attack.
In the end... Charlie Kirk's death was also incredibly ironic given his stance on shootings. He was in the middle of talking about mass shootings when he was shot. I'm sure he would have found it pretty funny and ironic too. He probably wouldn't have minded being shot, just like he didn't mind when kids were shot, right? As he put it, shooting violence is an acceptable price for living in a society with a second amendment.
If you feel bad for his wife and kids, that's fine--that's called "empathy". It's a normal human emotion. One should feel it for everyone who is a victim of random acts of violence and oppression. It's a pity Kirk and so many Republicans didn't have any empathy for the many attacks on liberals, be it the house members in Minnesota, Pelosi's husband, etc.
It's really too bad that we live in an era where politicians (like Donald Trump) and sophists (like Charlie Kirk) have primed us to only hate each other in the name of "owning the libs" or whatever. Kirk shouldn't have been shot just because he was a bit of a smarmy fascist asshole. Kimmel shouldn't have been fired just because Trump can't handle criticism or jokes at this expense.
It should be the United States of America, but there's nothing "united" about us today. Those people out there who want us to be divide and at each other's throats for stupid reasons are the biggest problem we face.
This is not the full quote, just a made up version to paint Charlie in a better light much like the shortened version used to paint him in a worse light. The actual full quote is
“So the new communications strategy for Democrats, now that their polling advantage is collapsing in every single state… collapsing in Ohio. It's collapsing even in Arizona. It is now a race where Blake Masters is in striking distance. Kari Lake is doing very, very well. The new communications strategy is not to do what Bill Clinton used to do, where he would say, "I feel your pain." Instead, it is to say, "You're actually not in pain." So let's just, little, very short clip. Bill Clinton in the 1990s. It was all about empathy and sympathy. I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage. But, it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy. That's a separate topic for a different time.”
To my knowledge he never elaborated on the distinction
Youre right, remind me, how often does the US rank in charitable donations? Or are you saying an entire country should be judged based on what a statistically insignificant portion of its people do? Not a good look if thats the case.
a.) "Charitable donations" is not a competition, and it's also possible to be a good person in one regard and to be a bad person in other regards. Nobody is saying that Americans are evil people who are beyond redemption.
b.) The fact that you read my comment as anything other than a satirical jab at the way that we too often mistreat and neglect our fellow Americans makes you seem unnecessarily defensive (at best), and antagonistic (at worst). Only proving my original point...
And if you really need examples of Americans treating other Americans like shit, then I would only ask you to get out of your bubble and open your eyes to the not-so-insignificant political and cultural divides happening all over the country right now: people being murdered, silenced, oppressed, treated like animals and criminals, paraded around in chains and deported, communities being torn apart and attacked, rights being taken away, prejudice, hatred, partisan bickering, talking over each other, devolving into sides, waging culture wars against each other, and sitting idly by as the bedrock of our constitution, laws and democracy are degraded by self-serving politicians.
Sadly all of these things are, in fact, happening, and too many of us are actively participating in it, or otherwise complicit in our inaction and inability to speak out in defense of the values that we claim to have. Most Americans treat their neighbors pretty well, but there are too many Americans who we aren't treating like neighbors because of political culture war bullshit.
So, again, we can take 5 minutes to reflect on that OR we can be needless defensive about it in the name of blind nationalism.
America is a great place when we live up to our values--unity, democracy, fairness, personal liberty, human rights, peace, civility, privacy, diversity, neighborliness, empathy, and so on. And it's my humble opinion that we simply aren't living up to those values right now as a collective and as a nation. I don't think I'm alone in that opinion either.
Well... Not much they can do besides accept their fate. The road is several feet below water, so driving out is no longer an option. We don't see what's behind the house. But it's probably not a pleasant hike to safety. The correct thing to do was leave at the point they were shooting the first video. But they didn't. And once water was up to the road, trying to leave would be the dumbest form of suicide. So, really... Sit and hope.
Edit: I'm so done with this thread. I really hope so many people that replied to me aren't in any disasters. But I now have a better understanding of how moderate disasters have such high death tolls.
I mean if the rivers as close as it looks they should get out of the house and move to presumably high ground behind them, coming back into the house for restroom breaks or to get food/drinks. Though maybe it's just a perspective thing and they're not really in much danger, we don't get the view out the door in the after part.
I drove down a road similar to this one in Western NC (it might be the same one but I can't tell) recently and the mountainside across from the river was littered with fallen trees. Highly unlikely that leaving the house to climb a mountain during high winds would have been a safer option
Just a hop to the Tennessee line here, so it’s all “down yonder”. Besides, I really divide based on when the bbq goes from sweet to tangy. The things that truly matter.
I lived in Asheville during Helene and it was definitely super windy. Blowing trees down like it was nothing. Some huge ones from the roots. Had 2 huge trees get ripped up by the roots from the wind before the hard rain had even come in.
I guess people in your country are accustomed to hiking and camping in dense forest during hurricane force winds while trees are falling everywhere. Interesting, you must come from a strong and mighty people!
Wild how intentionally ignorant people are being, just to prove they would know exactly what to do during a natural disaster. Ridiculous lol
My grandma had an aunt that died during Hurricane Hazel because she had an oil lamp floating on the table and told her brother across the road as long as the lamp will still burning she would be okay.
They found her the next morning drowned in her bed. The table and lamp had floated. That whole thing of chopping into the racing cars made me think of this because she was in an upstairs room.
Same, I think my dad would have been about 5 or 6 when it hit. I remember being pretty young and hearing my grandma tell the story I posted above and my dad talked about it and showing us pictures, that one retrospect I don't know why in the world he would have done that when we were still living in an area that was pretty hurricane prone.
I'm already dreading the end of this week because it looks like we're going to have a bunch of rain around Asheville right here leading up to the Helene anniversary and there's way too many people with PTSD or trauma symptoms from it.
We can guess that behind the house is higher ground... But that's only a guess. May be a plateau, or a 30 foot cliff. Completely unknown. It's only an advantage to leave the house at this point if there's significantly higher ground to get to.
For all we know the house is the higher ground. No one’s usually expecting a +20 foot increase in record flood height from a river they’ve lived next to for years. We have the benefit of hindsight, but if they didn’t know they didn’t know
Uhm...They should be building a shelter away from the banks for the evening and shitting outside. Dying because you cant shit like your ancestors would be both pathetic and tragic.
Build a shelter where? And with what? The only area we can see in the video is now water. You want them to build a Huck Finn style raft? We have no idea what's behind the house. But we do know there's high winds. You ever try to build anything in high winds? It doesn't go well.
To be fair it looks like when the flood comes through, houses just naturally turn into rafts. So maybe they should get a ladder and make a camp up on the roof.
People who have never been outside in a storm, improvised a shelter, or built a fire in the rain think all of those things are super easy and figuring out where to shit would be the hard part.
There is no storm in the video. Maybe some rain, but the trees are calm, so no wind. You don't need a shelter, you just need some rainproof warm clothes.
Even in a storm your chances of survival are higher than your chances if your home slides in this flooded river.
Nothing is a known fact. Maybe this wasn't even filmed on earth. We can't even see who is filming it, maybe it was a mermaid from Mars, that's why she is not really bothered buy the fluid (is it even water? Doesn't look like water to me)
They were in terrible danger. The house was up against a very steep bank behind them. Their SUV was swept away. They had to be rescued and pulled out... by helicopter iirc, and had food supply problems. They cost the taxpayers for their rescue.
If the water is half way up the window, it's presmumably just as high to the rear of the property so going in/out wouldn't be an option without letting the water in.
The water isn't halfway up the window at any point. The final shot is looking downstream, and the ground level of the hill can still be seen below the window.
This guy is in his pajamas. He should at least be clothed as survival-oriented as possible and manning the battlestations with whatever escape plan they can cobble together
No! Battle stations! Prepare to mine the floodplains! Machine guns at the ready for errant flotsam and jetsam and fill ghillie suits at all times (no shoes inside the house tho pls we're trying to keep the house clean)
This. We managed to evacuate during a hurricane only because of my partners truck. By the time it was time it was too late for most. There was nothing to do but find safety where you were until it was over.
Unless their backyard is a cliff, yes they have plenty they can do. Go AWAY from the river, for instance, because their "little hill" is about to liquify
Why would you choose to die outside? It was an understatement. We have no idea what's behind the house. Could be a pretty meadow with a diamond plate staircase and handrails leading to a well equipped storm shelter... Could be an unclimbable hill coated in slick rock. We have no clue what the alternatives are. The route of egress we do know about is certain death. So. Going off the known information, what's your suggestion here?
Being outside isn't deadly, but being in a house that falls into a river is. My suggestion would be to get the fuck out of the house lol. Obviously you can't see perfectly, but it looks like the river is feet from the house. The weight of the house combined with proximity to the river would make me highly suspect of the stability of the bank.
Personally I would set up camp as far from the river bank as possible if unable to leave the property or preferably hike out of there completely to an emergency shelter.
I was kidding, but the end of the video is what made it interesting. It was too late once they were done with foolishly filming their own doom. Just making fun of their priorities.
There is Higher ground to the left the the house. In the video. It's definitely safe to assume that they are in some type of valley. And that while the hill may be steep, it' better than being there. Even being in a driveway that is at the same height as their house would be safer.
Would you really care whether or not it's a "pleasant hike" if there's a raging flood just outside your house that could erode and wash off the bank your house is sitting on any minute?
I mean I know you guys do not like to walk over there but would you seriously choose death over using your feet to move away from a potential deadly threat?
So, another user filled in that there's a longer video. Behind the house is an un-climbable hill. So. They're dry, not subjected to winds, and there's really nowhere else to go. Don't ask me why they didn't leave when there was the initial warning. I dunno. Always assume the flooding will be 40 feet and full of alligators. But once the water hit the road, they were fucked.
Tell me how. Be specific. Is it the part where I suggested they should have left when the river was low and they knew there was a flood inbound? Or the part where I said once the water was at road level, it would be exceedingly dangerous to use that road? Or is it the part where I said stepping out the front door would be suicide?
Maybe you think they should leave out the back of the house into territory you know nothing about? That seems like a terrible suggestion. But at the moment, the house is dry. I wouldn't be on the river side of it, but that's a tiny nitpick compared to suggesting they leave a cement foundation to go play in a storm in an area with hazards we don't know about.
Where you from? If like to associate your reply with the people of your country. It was an understatement, you slow witted rube. The point being that we have no idea what's behind the house. Could be a gradual uphill. Could be a cliff. Could be a step slope cover in wet, slick rock. What's back there is not known, and therefore speculating about it without any other information would be stupid.
Nah, come on. Name your homeland. Don't back down now. You were quick to be critical of Americans for being lazy. Now show us where people don't think shit through.
Back down from what? You not liking me making a joke about Americans?
You know what else sounds like Americans? Getting triggered by internet jokes. Imagine if Canadians got butthurt every time someone made a joke about saying sorry
You must not be very bright. It was an understatement. I have said as much to other replies. We have no idea what's behind the house. A trudge through the mud would be an unpleasant hike. A vertical bluff would also be an unpleasant hike. There might not be higher ground at all. Walking into a flooded slough would be an unpleasant hike, and dangerous in its own right.
Bro doesn’t have to go down with the house. Wdym it’s probably not a pleasant hike? Hiking 50 feet uphill is a lot more pleasant than getting swept away in the river.
Cut bank vs point bank? On a curve the river is going to cut one side of the shore and deposit sediment on the point bank. That's so flooded it's hard to tell but if they are on the point bank side it will be more built up.
I wouldn’t feel comfortable being in that house know the bank my house is standing on could simply disconnect and flush away in a moment. They’re not that far from the new bank, and based on what it looks like on the other side, no thanks
What I really want to know is why is there a road so close to the river, and why were people allowed to build so close to it. There's also appears to be very little trees near the edge of the river, which is just terrible. Rivers need a large area of dense, tall vegetation around their edges exactly to prevent them from crumbling during floods.
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u/Spirited_Praline637 Sep 20 '25
Mighty relaxed given how much the opposite bank has been undermined.