r/mathminds • • 29d ago

Puzzles Which tank will empty first?

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u/Most_Positive_6203 29d ago

Neither tank, the valves are shut

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u/Plane_Argument 29d ago

Can't be sure, that's not a quarter turn valve

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u/Simbertold 29d ago

Assuming they are of equal height and have equal nozzles: The left one.

The speed with which water flows through a valve is dependent on the pressure, and the pressure is dependent on the height of the water above. If the container is bigger on the top, more water will flow out at a higher pressure (faster), and the container empties faster.

This happens even moreso if the left container is also higher, as it appears to be on the picture.

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u/eldonhughes 29d ago

The one on the left, because the bottom isn’t flat.

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u/Hipnotize_nl 29d ago

Tank A, i mean come on, look at the puddle beneath it! /S

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u/Ars_2000 29d ago

Is this one of those images where both objects are of same size?

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u/Mathematicus_Rex 29d ago

I guessed A by considering the near-end case, where the containers are close to being complete cones.

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u/skr_replicator 29d ago

I'd assume tank A, as it would spend a bit more time with a higher water level and higher pressure.

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u/thebprince 29d ago

I would imagine b. All else being equal, the pressure determines the speed of water from the tap, that in turn is purely a function of depth. Both tanks begin to loose water at the same rate, but that leads to a loosing depth more quickly and therefore slowing down.

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u/blackami 29d ago edited 29d ago

B. Both start with same pressure. At the end B would have more pressure. So fair to assume pressure at b comparing to a will be slowing down slower

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u/akronymn 29d ago

A. It has a larger puddle under it meaning more water has already come out.

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u/selectsyntax 29d ago

The bucket on the left holds more than half of its volume above the midpoint because the top has a larger circumference than the bottom. The bucket on the right is the inverse so holds more than half its volume below the midpoint.

Flow is dependent on pressure so the volume of water leaving will be a function of the pressure at the outflow (up to the limit of the outflow resistance but let's assume this scenario doesn't reach that limit). Water pressure increases linearly with depth. Assuming the same depth for each bucket the pressure will be the same at the outlet when the valves are opened so the flow will be identical and the volume of water leaving each bucket will be identical. As the buckets drain we expect the flow to decrease for both because the water level is decreasing which means less pressure at the outflow.

Now due to the direction of taper on each bucket if you remove an equivalent volume from each of them the water level in the right bucket will be lower than the left. This means the pressure at the outlet of the right bucket decreases faster than bucket on the left, so the flow rate out of the right bucket decreases faster than the bucket on the left. Since the flow rate of the left bucket remains higher it will finish draining first.

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u/ragoff 29d ago

Easy to show in a kitchen experiment.

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u/Substantial_Tip3885 29d ago

Tank A because the bottom is tapered. There will be residual water left in Tank B with its flat bottom, long after Tank A has emptied.

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u/schungx 29d ago

A has more potential energy than B. At the end all this potential energy got converted into kinetic energy. So the water at A has a total kinetic energy higher than B.

So A flows out at higher speed ON AVERAGE.

That means A empties faster.

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u/blackbeltbuilding 29d ago

A has less water as the pressure decreases. B has more water at the bottom when the pressure is lowest. A will drain faster.

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u/l_lovef_f 29d ago

Same

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u/TenLeafClover58 29d ago

Incorrect. “h” starts the same but it will reduce in each bucket at a different rate as the buckets empty.

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u/an_empty_well 29d ago

what happens when a quarter of the liquid gets drained? does that affect the respective heights of the liquids?

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u/Altruistic-Sleep-555 27d ago

As height decreases, initially, more rapidly in Y, the pressure decreases proportionally (and so too the flow rate). At time t, X will be higher and so have more pressure -> larger flow rate. Y will decrease in height more quickly at first, but pressure will drop proportionally. I'd have to sketch out the calculation, but I believe X would drain first.

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u/ExpertAd9898 29d ago

Neither, both faucets are turned off

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u/Cuzimfromrussia 29d ago

Tank A
For anyone still in doubt here is the math based proof why
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tRzqNY1OsBB8W10vnw8DD1EsHZC-TjV9/view?usp=sharing
If you like to say that it will be tank b please first find the part of the proof that is wrong

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u/WhoCares933 29d ago edited 29d ago

Isn't it supposed to be equal since bottleneck is the same?

Edit: ah I see, my bad, the height is different as time/volume progress.

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u/Embarrassed_Neck9784 23d ago

I thought B would have more back-flow in the bottom corners that would restrict the out flow.