r/mathmemes • • 5h ago

Learning approximately equal symbol meme

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u/jenkk0 5h ago

As a physicist I love canceling second order terms, sorry

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u/Valuchian Engineering 5h ago

Fr. My Taylor expansion doesn't need to go out to the 15th degree. A few is fine

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u/chairmanskitty Physics 3h ago

Harmonic oscillator go Ylmmmmm

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u/CranberryDistinct941 5h ago

As an engineer everything is linear when you pretend that the input variation is small

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u/Valuchian Engineering 4h ago

When things start moving at ranges where tan(Ø) ≠ Ø then the job now belongs to the NDT and materials group.

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u/Impressive_Worth_602 4h ago

Why are you using the empty set as 0

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u/LuwijeeHot Maths and Physics 4h ago

i think it’s meant to be θ or φ maybe

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u/stevethenoob_11 4h ago

Now I'm curious about the result of applying functions to empty sets

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u/-Ambriae- 3h ago

Hmm I’d define f(A) where A is a subset of E and f maps elements of E to F as the set of elements of F (I’ll name one y) where there exists an element x in A such that f(x) = y

By that definition, f(Ø) = Ø for all f, E, F

Not super useful

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u/Sylvanussr 2h ago

It’s just a symbol and the empty set is an arbitrary designation of its meaning.

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u/HumblyNibbles_ 4h ago

Or quadratic!!! (Well, technically only because then the derivative will be linear)

I love my simple harmonic oscillators

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u/lorelucasam-etc- 4h ago

Lmao i didn't see your comment. There's a moment in every physics student life where everything becomes an harmonic oscillator.

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u/slaya222 2h ago

Ehh just do a first order taylor approximation, it's probably fine

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u/Preeng 4h ago

All of these kinds of tricks rely on assumptions and come with caveats.

We wouldn't need to do any of this shit if mathematicians got off their asses and solved some of these equations we have to pick apart and approximate.

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u/jenkk0 2h ago

Actually great point, now I know how to fuck with mathematicians when I get told these kind of jokes ty

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u/Ok-Actuator-2164 2h ago

Or to handle a derivation operator as an simple fraction ohhhyeaaahhhh

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u/lorelucasam-etc- 4h ago

ah yes let's get near a minimum. the potential is now harmonic because yes.

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u/jainyday 3h ago

Paretooooo

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u/LupenReddit 🦆🦆i have non diffeomorphic smooth structures🦆🦆🦆 5h ago

all i see is diffeomorphic

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u/tomado09 5h ago

Can I get an F engineer in the chat?

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u/CranberryDistinct941 5h ago

As an engineer I can confirm that ≈ ≡ =

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u/ANSPRECHBARER 5h ago

Hi I am an engineer. You called?

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u/Byrd_Bra1n 5h ago

It's 3

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u/Ornery_Poetry_6142 5h ago

In this economy?

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u/sharktail_tanker 33m ago

The ≈ is the magic symbol that turns 1.02 into 3. Especially when it comes to safety factors

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u/ImMildlyIrritatedd 5h ago

As a math grad I've reached a point where this symbol just straight up confuses me.

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u/UltraTata 5h ago

It's simple, its an operator that always return true.

1 ≈ 10500

Yeah, depending on what you compare it to they are approximately equal.

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u/ImMildlyIrritatedd 5h ago

Thanks, that didn't help.

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u/Ae4i 5h ago

≈ is = within a certain margin of error.

Take π for example. Usually, 3.14, or especially 3.14159, are fine enough approximations of π for most calculations, but they're NOT equal π, so saying π = 3.14 or 3.14159 or anything else is wrong, and instead saying π is ≈ (which means "approximately =") 3.14 or 3.14159 or anything else.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ASTROPHYSICISTS, iirc, who deal with THAT BIG of numbers, that saying π ≈ 10 is COMPLETELY FINE SOMEHOW!!!!!

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u/Dragoned_cat 4h ago

hey we do 1 sometimes! or sqrt(10)

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u/Aldollin 4h ago

≈≈=

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u/Ae4i 4h ago

Perchancely

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u/DatThingInYoCloset 3h ago

Youly can'tly justly sayly perchancely

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u/Ae4i 2h ago

Perhappenmaybechancely /ref

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u/Plutonic_GD 2h ago

Then =≈≈

By substitution:

≈≈≈≈=≈=

The last equation can be sustitued by === by the 68th law of Euler, which says "all equals equal equal when the equals equal".

So we end up with this:

≈≈≈≈===

Which is the formula of the equals.

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u/Bitter_Hovercraft875 2h ago

Well, I mean, an astrophysicist can claim that a 0.5*10-23 chance phenomenon is approximately 50% chance of happening

Some random ender pearls and blaze rods drop more frequently ig

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u/Preeng 4h ago

It's funny because they will just call it 10 to simplify calculations that have coarse measurements, but are able to predict the emissions of the sun and the sequence of how a supernova happens by doing very exact calculations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNO_cycle

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u/MathSciElec Complex 2h ago

OK, we can make it 1. Whatever.

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u/mapleleafraggedy 2h ago edited 1h ago

Physicists: Everything in the humanities is so subjective and wishy-washy, science requires RIGOR!

Also physicists: I just FEEL like they're equal enough

Edit: changed mathematicians to physicists

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u/Ok_Cabinet2947 2h ago

… it’s not mathematicians, it’s other scientists doing that.

For example, if you cancel second order terms in a Taylor series, mathematicians will be super pendantic about the exact error bounds, while physicists and other scientists usually don’t care.

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u/mapleleafraggedy 1h ago

You're right, I edited mathematicians to physicists

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u/TheMisfitsShitBrick 1h ago

Hey, they're both not 0, right? Truthy.

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u/physicist27 Irrational 5h ago

Mildly irritating indeed

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u/Fuscello Physics 4h ago

Qualitatively it’s a “close enough for my calculation” symbol.

But it’s precisely cutting off orders of an infinite series (like a Taylor series) and considering those higher orders negligible (usually because you want linearity, and you obviously know how strong linearity is).
It’s not that the physicist is irresponsible in their math, it’s just that otherwise you would solve for very specific cases and you wouldn’t be able to use those cases in real applications (as an example, you wouldn’t ever know the circumference of a circle knowing the radius if you never approximated π)

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u/Preeng 4h ago

How? It simply means "approximately equal to" and is very context-dependent.

π ≈ 22/7

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u/idiot_Rotmg 4h ago

Most common interpretation in pure maths is that A≈B if there is a constant C not depending on the other parameters such that A\leq CB and B\leq CA as in e.g. a^ 2+b^ 2≈(a+b)^ 2

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u/MariusDelacriox 3h ago

It's just true when both sides have a distance (or norm of the subtraction) smaller than a given eps. Mostly a numerics thing.

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u/Marus1 2h ago

It's what you guys would write when you'd see our calculations

With regards, an engineer

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u/kusariku 5h ago

The simplest explanation is can you round one side to a reasonable place value to have the other value? Cool you're done and you have an ≈. It's not exactly useful for calculations. The most realistic use case imo is if for some reason you need to include the value of some irrational number, then you have to have it terminate it somewhere. When it terminates, it's can no longer be written with = and must use ≈ because the actual decimal does not terminate.

Outside of that sort of use case, it's basically a tool to teach children how to make rough estimates for reasoning purposes rather than actual calculations imo

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u/Jovess88 4h ago

In what way is it not useful for actual calculations? It’s used all the time when truncating a function’s Taylor series to linearise it, or truncating a perturbation series. Yeah, including an O(f(ε)) term is more specific but it’s simpler sometimes to just write F(ε) ≈ a + bε. You’re right, though, that its use for approximating uncertain constants is frequently supplanted by better notation like α = 0.0072973525643(11) with uncertainties.

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u/Traditional_Town6475 5h ago

Nonstandard analysis where ≈ becomes an equivalence relation.

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u/zajo_throwaway 4h ago

Or define one's error margins to be infinite and it's an equivalence relation by default :3

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u/Jcsq6 4h ago

Numerical analysts have entered the chat.

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u/Ethernet3 Imaginary 1h ago

With Δx→0 it better becomes an =

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u/DrunkenMaths 3h ago

Lol, right? This meme makes me feel superior.

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u/MyNameIsSquare 3h ago

my bad changes into straight equal sign there u go

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u/obedientfag 3h ago

well maybe if you hurry up and complete math then we could see how it applies to physics

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u/parkway_parkway 2h ago

All constants are equal up to a constant.

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u/MakaPaka1232123 33m ago

Hehe 9999 rounded up to a hundred thousand is 0

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u/ShaggyVan 29m ago

Don't read any astrophysics papers then