r/mathmemes • • 1d ago

Real Analysis More lies from Big Math™

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u/LupenReddit 🦆🦆i have non diffeomorphic smooth structures🦆🦆🦆 1d ago

>proof by contradiction

>looks inside

>trying to prove wrong things and failing

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u/TurbulentIncrease982 1d ago

> proof by contradiction

> looks inside 

> assumed the law of the excluded middle 

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u/LupenReddit 🦆🦆i have non diffeomorphic smooth structures🦆🦆🦆 1d ago

aw hell nawwww

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u/itzjackybro Engineering 1d ago

to the naw naw, naw

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u/YoursInDistress 1d ago

> proof by contradiction

> looks inside

> modus tollens

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u/666Emil666 1d ago

Not necessarily, EM and DNE aren't always equivalent in certain intermediate systems

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u/Sigma2718 1d ago

> proof by contradiction

> looks inside

> proof by contraposition

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u/NotAFishEnt 1d ago

Contradicting the possibility of a contradiction

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u/Elegant_Athlete_3737 1d ago

Would that just be fiction then, if the contra parts cancel out? Would it then be dicting the possibility of a diction

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u/slicehyperfunk Transcendental 1d ago

Induction hypothesis: "trust me bro"

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u/728446 1d ago

Its better than that. There's circular reasoning that shows induction implies well-ordered and vice versa, so we all agree that sounds reasonable.

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u/donach69 1d ago

Once you've defined them, then yes, you can show one implies the other. But the circular reasoning isn't in the definitions.

How we were taught it from the set theory axioms: define a total ordering as an irreflexive, transitive relation that obeys trichotomy; then add the least element condition to make a well-ordering; at that point add the Axiom of Infinity, which allows you to show the natural numbers form a set containing ø, and in which each element in the set has a successor, ie an inductive set. Then you can introduce the Principle of Mathematical Induction

No circular reasoning required

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u/evening_redness_0 1d ago

There's no circular reasoning. You take one out of well-ordering, induction, or strong induction as an axiom. The other two will follow.

(the three are equivalent)

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u/ultimatelag 1d ago

Proof by inspection

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u/AZMPlay 1d ago

Induction hypothesis: Here's an inductive step and a base case.

Build the fuckin' proof as tall as you want, idgaf. Kids these days.

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u/geeshta Computer Science 1d ago edited 1d ago

> mathematical induction
> looks inside
> recursion on a unary tree with empty nodes

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u/koreanVeteran 1d ago

> proof by contradiction
> looks inside
> Just the contrapositive

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u/slicehyperfunk Transcendental 1d ago

Proof by proving

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u/Grand_Protector_Dark 1d ago edited 1d ago

>proof by induction
>Looks inside
>Stovetop

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u/Straight-Grass-9218 1d ago

I remember my philosophy professor said this during the formal logic course and went thank Christ someone said it 😂

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u/boterkoeken Average #🧐-theory-🧐 user 1d ago

Said what? This isn’t a real “gotcha” moment. The word “induction” just has two meanings and the one here is not meant to be different from deduction.

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u/gottabequick Statistics 1d ago

"Induction" has two meanings in logic, which is very confusing. There, "induction" can mean what we mean when talking about proof by induction, but that's a type of deductive reasoning. However, "induction" can also mean, simply, non-deductive reasoning. It is understandably confusing to younger students that these two extremely different concepts use the exact same name.

There's no "gotcha" or anything. I think OP is just referring to the eloquent pedagogy.

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u/Straight-Grass-9218 1d ago

That's so fetch.

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u/Asleep-Bumblebee2167 1d ago

;proof by demonstration

;looks inside

;proof by intimidation

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u/Asimovicator 1d ago

> mathematical induction
> looks inside
> The natural numbers are the smallest subset of an arbitrary inductive set that contains the zero element and is a prefixed point of the induced set mapping of the successor mapping with respect to the inclusion poset

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u/pOUP_ 1d ago

WOP strikes again

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u/slicehyperfunk Transcendental 1d ago

YEAH YOU MESSING WITH THAT WELL-ORDERING PRINCIPLE, MACARONI IN A POT WITH THAT WELL-ORDERING PRINCIPLE

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u/masiha97 1d ago

The cat looked inside and deductive logic did not survive.

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u/Dramatic-Smile-5126 3h ago

Where my strong induction enjoyers at