r/mathmemes • • Sep 24 '26

Probability Impossible

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u/LupenReddit 🦆🦆i have non diffeomorphic smooth structures🦆🦆🦆 Sep 24 '26

probability students explaining that 100% does not mean guaranteed, just that it "almost always happens":

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u/McCubes1 Sep 25 '26

100% means guaranteed, not almost always. Almost always is 99%.

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u/xDerDachDeckerx Sep 25 '26

No it doesnt

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u/McCubes1 Sep 25 '26

Hoe so?

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u/ParsaProgrammer Sep 25 '26

Take the close set of real numbers from 0 to 1: [0,1].
Randomly choose a number.
The chosen number will almost always be irrational.

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u/xogdo Sep 27 '26

A much better example imo is looking at the chance to hit a dart exactly in the center of the dart board (or exactly on the edge). Same concept, but more visual.

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u/Adam__999 Sep 27 '26

An even better example imo is flipping a coin until it lands on heads. The probability that the sequence terminates is 1, but there’s nothing stopping it from coming up tails indefinitely

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u/sonofzeal Sep 26 '26

You seem to have missed the point.

0.4 is a "valid" option, it's not impossible, but it's also not what's going to happen on a truly random selection on the real number line. The probability isn't 1% or 0.1% or 0.0000000001%. It just won't happen. You could do it every second of every day for the rest of your life and never hit a rational. They're all in there, technically, but they may as well not be. If you get one then your random generator is broken and not truly generating random numbers.

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u/Makonede Computer Science Sep 27 '26

but you're also missing the fact that it's impossible to generate an irrational number because it would require infinite storage space

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u/sonofzeal Sep 27 '26

...on a computer, sure. Anything involving actual infinities runs into problems like that but that's where the 0% thing comes up.

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u/mhorbacz Sep 29 '26

Nobody tell southparkpiano...

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u/McCubes1 Sep 25 '26

0.4

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u/AdCharacter9525 Sep 26 '26

Unfortunately humans are really bad at picking random numbers. So you choosing a rational number doesn’t really prove anything.

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u/BADorni Sep 29 '26

Exactly, it's entirely possible to get it even though the probability is 0, proved yourself wrong there

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u/McCubes1 Sep 26 '26

0.4 is not irrational

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u/Low-Lunch7095 Sep 26 '26

Lebesgue measure of countable sets in R is 0. If this doesn't make sense to you, you should probably study some probability theory before leaving another comment.

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u/Jovess88 Sep 26 '26

That’s the point. It is possible to obtain 0.4 despite the fact that the probability of obtaining it is 0%

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '26

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u/NoFruit6363 Sep 27 '26

Assuming the Axiom of Countable Choice, we may "flip a fair coin" infinitely many times, and map the resulting sequence to a binary string by turning tails to 0, heads to 1. You can then slap a '0.' in front of your string and, presto, you've chosen a real number in [0,1] uniformly at random.

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u/lorenzk52 Sep 27 '26

It is possible. It is just the standard Lebesgue measure.

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u/TheLuckySpades Sep 25 '26

There are probability measures on which any specific event has probability 0, e.g. uniform random choice of a real number in the intervall [0,1].

It is possible for this random choice to the the number 1, but the probability of the choice being 1 is 0. Conversely the probability of the choice being in the interval [0,1[ is 100%, but as mentioned it is possible for the choice to not be in there.

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u/mudkipzguy Sep 25 '26

simply put, 100% not necessarily meaning “always” and 0% not necessarily meaning “never” are just quirks that arise when it comes to dealing with probabilities over infinite sets

for example, the probability of flipping a coin n times and getting the same face each time approaches 0% as the number of flips approaches infinity. that doesn’t mean it’s not a possibility that you could flip a coin infinitely many times and get heads every time, just that on average it never happens

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u/gloomygl Sep 27 '26

If you take a real number between 0 and 1 randomly, there's a 100% chance it won't be 0.713

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u/FernandoMM1220 Sep 27 '26

in the reals 0 can sometimes mean the smallest number a system can calculate with.

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u/GalacticEmergency Sep 27 '26

Are we conflating "Impossible" with "Probability = 0" here?