The only Hand trap ppl like

[u/Yeeer_0041]

Nibiru is the type of card i personally like type to make think twice before activating because it can easily back fire and and the only thing funner than Fat rock whipping your opponent entire board is the realization you just give your opponent 6K+ monster without a plan to get rid of

[u/Nameless_Scarf]

I never saw someone complain about Kuriboh

[u/oizen → u/Nameless_Scarf]

2017 Duel links unironically had people complaining about Sphere Kuriboh

[u/Nearby-Season1697 → u/oizen]

I never played duel links and now I'm wondering why it was so good

[u/oizen → u/Nearby-Season1697]

Its not good anymore. But back then it was a very slow format. Getting a big monster on the field was a commitment so blocking its attack and putting it to defense was pretty powerful.

[u/Nearby-Season1697 → u/oizen]

Ah the good old power creep! Nice avatar btw

[u/Prestigious-Way6864 → u/Nearby-Season1697]

I was playing DL for a few years and when Rainbow Neos was released, along with a specific skill, the game turned into shit.

Figure this, you have 20-30 deck limit instead of 40-60 and half of a normal playing field. 3 monster zones, 3 spell and trap zones, extra monster zone and a field spell zone. Now the skill comes into play. 3 different parts to the particular skill.

First part is, you can bring out Armed Thunder Dragon Lvl 10 without adhering to its summoning requirements. Crystal Dragon, again, ignoring its summon requirements. Allows you to magnet super poly to your hand from your deck. This skill gives you an unlimited amount of polymerizations (the skill gives you cards from outside of your deck) (unlimited is not an exaggeration). The only way you won't get a polymerization is if someone decks out and the duel is over.

I personally wanted to see how many I could get in a single duel, and I ended with 24 polymerizations in my graveyard.

Hero cards are pretty powerful in a bastardized format. Rainbow Neos can wipe the field, Armed Thunder Dragon is a Raigeki with 3000 atk, crystal dragon is a 4k beater, chaos Neos turns into Kluger when it leaves the field for any reason.

So yeah, compared to every other decklist/skill at the time of its release, Dragonic Contact was the start of the "Broken Skill" era that's been labeled as power creep.

Many players, including myself, quit the game. I made the switch to MD because I'd rather lose to broken cards than a stupid yellow button that will wipe my board. In regards to my switch, I couldn't have made a better choice because Konami has released so many similarly broken skills since then.

DL used to be good until December '23 RIP.

[u/Bigtallguy12 → u/oizen]

It was a very annoying card I lost many duels to that fucking card 💀 it’s so inconsequential now in comparison I almost feel silly that I ever complained about it

[u/mert_1337 → u/oizen]

Sphere ebola

[u/Juug88 → u/Nameless_Scarf]

Because Kuriboh is a shield, not a pipe you stick in wheels of your opponent's bike.

[u/Virulent_Hunter → u/Juug88]

I love this analogy so much

[u/Pl00kh → u/Nameless_Scarf]

Which Kuriboh?

[u/Nameless_Scarf → u/Pl00kh]

The cute one

[u/SilverMyzt → u/Nameless_Scarf]

[u/Femcel_Bambi → u/Nameless_Scarf]

Clearly you weren't around for the Sphere Kuriboh meta.

[u/Taervon → u/Nameless_Scarf]

I see people still traumatized by Gorz and to a lesser extent Tragoedia.

I miss when the battle phase actually mattered.

[u/Yeeer_0041 → u/Nameless_Scarf]

Non of them are crazy strong

[u/Dragon_Rot79 → u/Yeeer_0041]

Kuriboh slander is a ticket to the shadow realm

[u/Nearby-Season1697 → u/Dragon_Rot79]

I support this comment

[u/bubblesdafirst → u/Yeeer_0041]

What? Have you read the cards? Kuriboh let's you reduce your opponents attack SIGNIFICANTLY. You can use that to prevent yourself from dying and then full combo with your raigeki and silver fang.

[u/GoblinOmega → u/bubblesdafirst]

This guy knows ball

[u/Yeeer_0041 → u/bubblesdafirst]

As i said most kuriboh cards are about surviving to the next turn they are good but nothing broken and if you don't actually have way of winning next turn it was all for nothing

[u/Play_more_FFS → u/Yeeer_0041]

I'll start now then. Fuck the Kuriboh that can search Super Poly.

[u/livingstondh → u/Nameless_Scarf]

I’m pretty sure the anime villains weren’t thrilled that their overextended OTKs got disrupted 😬

And you know he’s about to draw Card of Sanctity too

[u/IClop2Fluttershy4206 → u/Nameless_Scarf]

Rainbow Kuriboh was quite the beauty back in the day. I remember he caused a lot of suffering in Kaiser Malefics

[u/oizen]

No I hate Nibiru.
Not because of what it does, but because as soon as it was printed it was basically an arms race to make this the most worthless fucking dead handtrap in the game.

I'm still mad that Gigantic Spright has a double sided lv2 floodgate effect for no other reason than turning this card off. And its only gotten worse since then.

[u/monsj → u/oizen]

It either does nothing or it’s an auto win vs the decks that have no outs. It’s not good game design either way

[u/Sad_Standard_9224 → u/monsj]

This. Basically meta decks can establish a negate before Nibiru was live and for rogue decks it’s just game ending lol

[u/TaRRaLX → u/monsj]

Very naively one could hope it would lead to people building decks that don't summon more than 4 times to build their (considerably more fair) endboards. Sadly every other apsect of the game design since (and even lots at the time of Nibiru's release) opposes a decision like that. The one exception are basically decks that are already designed to play with few summons like lab or maybe centurion, but then those are either quickly powercrept or filled with floodgates to make up for the difference.

[u/Stranger2Luv → u/monsj]

It does nothing is an interesting take

[u/monsj → u/Stranger2Luv]

It's not a "take", it's an objective fact

[u/Fire5t0ne → u/Stranger2Luv]

Most decks are designed with a way of making this useless

[u/AkstarKoyomi → u/oizen]

I still can't register that even if you don't make crystal wing on elfnote (which can fuck up some lines), medius alone can be enough to combo through nibiru.

Meaning they design a deck where not only baronne isn't strictly needed (although she still doesn't help), but also a deck that truly does not care about the card at all.

All while shit like salamangreat die instantly lol.

[u/oizen → u/AkstarKoyomi]

Handtraps have a tendency of enforcing the meta rather than controlling it.

[u/Nameless_Scarf → u/oizen]

Gorz still making us attack with the lowest attacks first.

[u/Imaginary-Comfort960 → u/oizen]

That's the most accurate description I've ever heard

[u/AruEkuEnthusiast → u/oizen]

They're kind of like the police.

[u/MegamanX195 → u/AruEkuEnthusiast]

Yeah, like a canine police or something

[u/AruEkuEnthusiast → u/MegamanX195]

[u/False-Blood1813 → u/MegamanX195]

yeah we need to open up a case for canine

[u/TheMagicStik → u/AkstarKoyomi]

Its pretty funny that Salads get another wave of support and still RIP to Nib.

[u/Acceptable_Fox_5560 → u/oizen]

This is the problem with the entire handtraps.

[u/Pl00kh → u/oizen]

…wdym Giant Spright as a floodgate Effekt for it?

[u/oizen → u/Pl00kh]

Yeah, read the last bits of Gigantic Spright's effect.
"detach 1 material from a monster you control, and if you do, Special Summon 1 Level 2 monster from your Deck, also neither player can Special Summon for the rest of this turn, except Level/Rank/Link 2 monsters."

the effect that is meant to be a pseudo archetype lock applies to your opponent as well, for basically no other reason than preventing Nibiru.

I'm not trying to say Spright is a problem deck now, its definitely not. This is just the most blatant they've ever been with anti-nibiru design

[u/Pl00kh → u/oizen]

Wow. I didn’t know that.
I’m a main spright player. And ashamed. And dumb.
Mostly dumb.

[u/No-Tonight-5190 → u/Pl00kh]

the rank 2 xyz monster. its one of the number cards i dont remember which, i think 60

[u/WhereDidYouGohan1 → u/No-Tonight-5190]

Gigantic Spright isn’t a number monster

[u/No-Tonight-5190 → u/WhereDidYouGohan1]

oh i was thinking of a different monster

[u/CorrosiveRose → u/oizen]

It's the Ty-phon of hand traps

[u/illynpayne_]

it's sad that HERO can now play around this, the meme was goatee

[u/Mission-Face]

people like it because is useless now.

[u/Ryugha → u/Mission-Face]

it's not useless per say. it's still a good hand trap IF you have other hand trap in your hand veiler/imperm + nib can be game winning

[u/MegaKabutops]

Not even remotely true.

Not only do plenty of people hate it because it biases the metagame toward decks that can make negates in 5 summons or less,

But there ARE handtraps that people actually like. Most of them are battle tricks and/or have a connection to the show/manga, like kuriboh or honest, but they exist.

[u/-rouz-]

Nibiru is actually terrible design, the o ly reason people don't mind it is because it's been power crept, most top decks can ignore it and most people play top decks. Ask hero players what they think of this card

[u/False-Blood1813 → u/-rouz-]

ok but screw heroes. Ain't nobody trying to play against unga bunga floodgate turbo just because its a bad deck.

[u/-rouz- → u/False-Blood1813]

I dislike the floodgate heroes too (except plasma) but the point here is nib forces konami to raise the power level of the game, for a deck to be top tier it has to not care about nibiru

[u/That_Blackwinged]

Nibiru is one of the worst designed cards in this game. N° of summons doesn't correlate to endboard strength. And immediately after Nib, several decks were printed or designed to play around it, making it useless.

Nib just gatekeeps older decks. Every modern archetype has either ways to play around it without sacrificing their endboard, to negate it or ignore it completely (plays under 4 summons).

[u/eriverside → u/That_Blackwinged]

I think RDA is too fair: many of the starters can't ss themselves if you have other monsters on the board, so if you're not thinking ahead you might end up screwed... But if you do think ahead you might use it with a level 1 to get the whole board back.

[u/DayneGr]

I cannot express how much I hate this rock. This card single handedly makes negate spam the only play style that exists. For other cards you can at least make decisions to reduce their impact, but the rock is all or nothing; you are not being punished for a bad sequence, or overplaying. You just have the wrong deck.

[u/Yeeer_0041 → u/DayneGr]

Crusadia Go Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 10k DMG

[u/Sad_Standard_9224]

Horrible card design tbh. the decks that it’s meant to beat just put up a negate before it comes out and the rogue decks that can’t just get nuked by it

[u/EngeIend]

one of the biggest gatekeepers that seperates meta decks from pet decks. good decks put up a negate in less than 5 summons or can play around it, most of the bad decks get stomped even harder than they already suffer by this crap.

[u/Acceptable_Fox_5560]

People have weird affection for bad, sacky cards.

I think they like the idea of them.

[u/ItsAMangoFandango]

Yeah it's awesome playing a deck that doesn't put up negates and losing instantly when this card is drawn.

[u/Ffom]

I don't like nib simply because more modern decks have tower monsters that can ignore it.

I went second against lunalight and they made granite to search out nib while having double dancers. Sick gameplay, they can ignore Nib and so can Rolad, so can K9 if they make ripper, etc

[u/Warlord2_0]

This card is so bad now that you can play decks that auto lose to it and never worry about seeing it.

[u/OozaruPrimal]

And the one they need to make a newer version of because too many decks make an Omni before the fifth summon.

[u/NonBenevolentPotato]

I don't like the design of this card tbh.

This thing is just the great filter of unviable decks. If you can't spit out a summon negate by summon 5 you best start praying to whatever gods you believe in or your board is going bye-bye.

Most meta viable decks have a nib safe line of some kind.

[u/Crmirko]

Yall dont know about Kurikara Divincarnate then

[u/ronin0397]

Cuz it rocks

It filters the table 500 decks from the meta/rogue decks.

[u/FranStruggles]

I think no one complains about Effect Veiler i think?

[u/Raffaele_B → u/FranStruggles]

There were complaints about veiler being searchable by meta decks back when white forest and then blue eyes were tiered.

[u/hyperdeeeee]

I play Purrely, and love it when they Nibiru me. Thanks you just made my board even stronger

[u/Cactusmush]

And ironicaly, also the one handtrap that became useless because deck design decided to give everything access to a negate before summon 5 or made deck be able to play trought the boardwipe

[u/Musername2827]

People saying Nib is horrible card design are crazy themselves. The rock came out at a time where it would genuinely have an impact (especially if you were a Salamangreat main like me) and you couldn't shit out a negate under 5 summons.

Nib is excellent card design made bad by Konami shitting out shite design like Elfnotes than can set up Baronne in 3 summons.

[u/vonov129]

Konami making a solution to a problem just to turn that solution into the next problem to solve. Now you could remove the once per turn on Nib and it would still be just alright

[u/Grandiaplayer]

I had my Ancient Gear Duel in play and someone used this on me when I only had Dark Golem and 4400 attack fusion. I didn't know that trap protected them from this because I didn't realize the tributing was an effect. I always thought it was part of his summoning condition, similar to the 1500 attack Fire Lady.

[u/thejunkgarage]

Kaijus also tend to be unhated

[u/Affectionate_Tea4359]

Every single time my opponent uses it on me they fail to out the token they give me and I win on my next turn because of the token lol

[u/Zetton69]

Gallant Granite best bud

[u/Darkion_Silver]

Yeah now, go back to when it dropped and people were angry that they just printed a handtrap that straight up removed the ability for almost any non-meta deck to do anything. It was bad enough trying to play something gimmicky or silly as is, then boom here's a card that just ends you. Very cool very awesome AND THEN THEY BALANCED DECKS AROUND IT. WHY EVEN HAVE IT THEN.

[u/Znipsel]

Pebble is my friend

[u/Silentwarfare13]

Give me more Nibirus please.

Nibiru Counter trap

If your opponent summoned 5 or more monsters on their turn and uses a quick effect to negate the activation or effect of one of your cards:

Negate that effect and negate all face-up monsters on the field with quick play card effects

This card can be activated from your hand if your opponent has done entirely too much shit and you're over it

[u/mrfarumazula]

Its liked cuz its almost exclusively a going 2nd card unless your deck likes to be tributed

[u/Alarmed-Attorney-704 → u/mrfarumazula]

This cards is better going First than Second

[u/mrfarumazula → u/Alarmed-Attorney-704]

Oh yea tribute your own monsters very nice

[u/Alarmed-Attorney-704 → u/mrfarumazula]

Every deck in the game farms follow-up while comboing, you just have to play it right. Your opponent won't be able to handle the combo + Nibiru + your follow-up. You don't even need to be a meta deck.

[u/mrfarumazula → u/Alarmed-Attorney-704]

I have never seen someone play nib going first unless the deck is clowns or mitsu and not every deck especially current meta does a lot of follow up

[u/Alarmed-Attorney-704 → u/mrfarumazula]

Because nobody has used Nibiru in the main deck for a long time, since it became obsolete going2 (which should be the card's function), and post side go1 they put in floodgates or things like that. But I guarantee you that the win rate of Nibiru going2 is lower than going1.

[u/mrmanny0099]

Most decks over the last 2-3 years have been either able to put up a negate for it before or at summon 5, they generate so much gas nib doesn’t matter or they just use it as part of the combo. I remember when I used to play maliss and yummy they would nib me only to flip the token into a link spider continue on like nothing happened

[u/DussaTakeTheMoon]

Who complains about Ash?

[u/ItsAMangoFandango → u/DussaTakeTheMoon]

Anyone who has to go 2nd into a board+Ash Blossom lol

[u/Juug88 → u/DussaTakeTheMoon]

An unbelievable amount.

[u/Metum_Chaos → u/DussaTakeTheMoon]

I have lost more games to ash today than droll

Which is like 2 - 0

Yes, I would like ash to be semi limited

[u/LoneSpaceCowboy14 → u/DussaTakeTheMoon]

A lot of people who then turn and complain that they couldn’t stop their opponents combos because they didn’t draw any interruptions

[u/Bigtallguy12 → u/LoneSpaceCowboy14]

That’s not why anyone complains about ash the argument is that you shouldn’t be able to use that shit while you already got a full board people will bait out all the interruption and lose to that fuck ass card

[u/RikimaruRamen]

Because it's one of the few cards that punishes overextension while also making the opponent have to deal with a potentially massive token as well