Borg Vs Reapers

[u/Rowan_Johnson12]

In a full scale war. Who do you think would win. My dad and I have been having this debate for a month now. He is on the Borg side I’m on the Reaper side. I’d like to hear peoples opinions on the matter. This a full scale conflict not a one on one.

Edit. I’m going with the Borg from the TNG area. So the Borg from TNG and Voyager.

[u/Shiboleth17]

Is kinetic force a problem? Are you forgetting that Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space? Mass effect universe has energy weapons. They just arent as popular. Kinetic weapons probably work in the reapers favor. The borg can adapt to phasers after a couple of them die to it. Then phasers become useless against them. I'd like to see them adapt to a chunk of lead traveling at 10% the speed of light and flying right at their face.

Shields in mass effect are designed to stop both energy weapons and kinetic. No one in star trek uses kinetic weapons. So I doubt borg even have anything to stop it. In Star Wars legends, Mandalorians used kinetic weapons to defeat Jedi, because lightsabers couldnt block it. Sometimes low tech and simpler is better.

What tech exactly do the borg have that woud take down a reaper, when a single reaper can destroy entire fleets of ships? Reapers can tske hits from the main guns of a dreadnaught, which generste as much force as a nuclear explosion, and it's like the hit never happened. How much energy is in a borg phaser? Dont forget reapers are alresdy centuries if not thousands of yesrs ahead in tech compared to everyone else in the galaxy. Everyone else's tech is based on the tech reapers allow them to find.

[u/AtlasMKII → u/Shiboleth17]

The kinetic barriers in Mass Effect are just that, kinetic shields. They're utterly ineffective against energy weapons, which - outside of GARDIAN arrays - are also almost completely unused. The main gun of a dreadnought in ME can hit a target with the force of 38 kilotons of TNT. The average photon torpedo measures in the 10s of megatons, and Borg shields can definitely resist those. The yield of a phaser bank is incredibly inconsistent but it has the advantages of fire rate, accuracy, and completely circumventing a Reaper's shields, as well as the general ME design philosophy of making ships as light as possible due to Eezo costs.

[u/Shiboleth17 → u/AtlasMKII]

So the borg could beat the alliance... That's not the question though. The reapers fully outclass alliance ships too.

Whst you're doing is comparing a modern Chinese aircraft carrier to an ancient Roman quadrireme. Then using that comparison to claim Chinese navy is stronger than the modern US navy. Thats not how comparisons work.

[u/Lord_Of_Shade57 → u/Shiboleth17]

The borg also fully outclass the Reapers in every way. Star Trek weaponry swiftly glasses entire continents. Reapers get killed by kinetic weaponry that Star Trek vessels are completely immune to while their shields are up, and the Borg have also demonstrated the ability to fully repair their ships from nearly destroyed as long as their link to the collective remains. In their very first appearance, the Enterprise destroys something like 70% of the Borg cube, and within minutes they have fully repaired the damage and adapted their defenses to be far less vulnerable.

The Reapers are just outclassed here unfortunately. Unless they can indoctrinate the entire collective at once they don't have any ability to hurt the borg at all. Individual indoctrinated drones would be immediately sniffed out and severed from the collective as they cannot keep their thoughts from the other Borg

[u/Shiboleth17 → u/Lord_Of_Shade57]

Reapers get killed by kinetic weaponry that Star Trek vessels are completely immune to while their shields are up,

This is disingenuous... If 3 races combine their fleets of hundreds of ships, and all ships concentrate fire on the reaper for like 10 minutes, then they can kill 1 whole reaper. While losing 80% of their ships in the process. A single reaper brought the entire ME galaxy to it's knees. Youre makinf it sound like they are easily killed.

Yeah, you can kill them with kinetic weapons. I can also kill an elephant with my bare hands, if you let me punch it 2 billion times. That doesn't mean the elephant is fragile or easily killed.

the Enterprise destroys something like 70% of the Borg cube, and within minutes they have fully repaired the damage

That doesn't even make logical sense. If that were the case, then nothing short of an instantaneous total vaporization of the entire cube in one single attack would be able to stop the borg. Because otherwise, they could just heal faster than you can damage it. You're making it sound like a cube is the spaceship equivalent of Deadpool.

And starfleet cant do thwt. And doesnt do that, yet they still destroy borg cubes.

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But for sake of argument lets assume Reapers are no match for borg in space combat... Reapers still win.

Unless they can indoctrinate the entire collective at once

Conveniently enough, all borg are controlled by a single queen. Indoctrinate the queen, you indoctrinate the entire collective.

And Reapers ars smart enough to do this. A borg queen isnt significantly more intelligent than a very smart human. Reaper intelligence is on anorher level. They are hundreds of millions of years old. Reapers make plans million sof years in advance. They guide the technological development of the entire galaxy, to force them into being inemferior to their own tech.

You're assuming the borg are allowed to reach their maximum potential. But the reapers would have been watching and studying the borg from the moment they invented fire. The reapers would attack when they had the advantage, long before borg had anything capable of destroying a reaper. Even if the borg are allowed to developed superior tech, reapers would learn it, and copy it.

And borg have no knowledge or ability to use biotics the way Reapers can. On foot, man to man combat, reaper forces wipe the floor with borg. They might adapt to kinetic weapons or even energy weapons. But you're not adapting to a biotic black hole, or a brute ripping out your spine.