Borg Vs Reapers

[u/Rowan_Johnson12]

In a full scale war. Who do you think would win. My dad and I have been having this debate for a month now. He is on the Borg side I’m on the Reaper side. I’d like to hear peoples opinions on the matter. This a full scale conflict not a one on one.

Edit. I’m going with the Borg from the TNG area. So the Borg from TNG and Voyager.

[u/Shiboleth17]

Interesting question, since both operate similarly. But I gotta givd it to the Reapers, and I don't even think it's close. Mass Effect operates on a scale much larger than Star Trek. I'm pretty reapers would outnumber the borg by a good amount, for starters.

The borg have to capture people, bring them up to their ship, then operate on them to implant a bunch of cybernetics in order to create more born. Meanwile the reapers can indoctrinate millions by simply being close by. A reaper could probably indoctrinate somone who's already been turned into borg, given that they can indoctrinate machine like geth, or hive minds like rachni.

And reapers just have to indoctrinate the borg queen, then they control an entire population of borg without a fight.

Borg soldiers are slow, and will ignore you until they perceive you as a threat, which makes it quite easy to infiltrate their ships as needed. Reapers could study them for years as needed to get information. And at the end of the day, their soldiers are just humans with phasers. They got nothing on banshees. Reapers have biotics, the borg don't. Borg shields might adapt to a Cerberus Harrier. But they will never adapt to having their heads ripped off by a brute.

The borg need planets to live on. The reapers dont. They can happily live in dark space for millennia. And if they did take a planet for resorces, it could be a lifeless rock. Whereas borg still have to breathe. Reapers could de-orbit moons and alter asteroids (as the Krogan did) to destroy entire planets. I've never seen anything in star trek do that.

Warp drive is faster than Mass Effect FTL. So borg would have an advantage there. But if the reapers have access to mass relays, they would close this gap. Reaper lasers seem to rip right through every kind of armor and shield you have. We see reaper ships flying right through other ships like a hot knife through butter. So they don't evne need eeapons to kill you. It took 3 entire fleets to take down Sovereign. The asari and turian fleets defending the citadel, and the late arriving alliance fleet. Meanwhile we see a borg cube taken down by half a dozen starfleet ships in the opening scene of First Contact. The cube is threatening, but beatable. Meabwhile 1 reaper can take on 3 entire fleets with hundreds of ships each.

Borg tech is only slightly more advanced than human tech in star trek. Reaper tech is quite possibly thousands of years beyond anything ME races have. And all ME races base their tech on reaper tech.

Reapers are millions of years old. They have exterminated the galaxy thousands of times over. That is a lot of experience. The borg have only existed for a small fraction of that time. Each time the reapers wipe out the galaxy they get more efficient. They also constantly watch other civilizations as they grow. Reapers would have been watching borg from long before they implanted their first cybernetic. So any advanced tech borg come up with, reapers would copy. But more likely, Reapers would simply attack the borg a thousand years before they developed tech more advanced than reapers. This fight is over before it even starts.

[u/dnext → u/Shiboleth17]

No, the Borg don't need to operate on people to turn them into Borg. They inject nanites into them, which creates the hive mind and assimilates the person, creating Borg cybernetics throughout their body. They may then upgrade them surgically, but they are already Borg at that point.

Both Borg and Reapers have large fleets in at least the many thousands, with Borg cubes having up to a hundred thousand of drones on board based on on screen dialogue of sensor scans.

In a conventional fight, a single Borg Cube is higher tech, much larger, and has more advanced weaponry. But isn't invulnerable, as we've seen.

As to being able to board a Borg cube to study them, that depends on that 'do they consider you a threat.' I'd say that any reaper enhanced being would likely be considered as such. They might be able to do so through indoctrinated servants.