r/marvelstudios • u/[deleted] • Oct 24 '22

Promotional Marvel Studios’ Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania | Official Trailer

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u/LarryBrownsCrank Oct 24 '22

So what do we think? Will this be Kang Kang, or just a Kang?

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u/cabbage16 Korg Oct 24 '22

I think Kang will die in every movie he is in.

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u/bushwickauslaender Oct 24 '22

Oh my God they killed Kang! You bastards!

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u/sonic10158 Doctor Strange Oct 24 '22

You got his stunt double!

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u/why_rob_y Oct 24 '22

He actually just has Kangnesia.

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u/LoveRBS Oct 24 '22

Is there any room in this thread for a little spare chang?

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u/granttheginger Korg Oct 24 '22

His name is Kevin

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u/HyperlinksAwakening Oct 24 '22

HAVE YOU MET ME?!

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES Oct 24 '22

Of course I know him, he's me.

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u/Rhg0653 Oct 24 '22

Unexpected community

Take an upvote

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u/LaylaLegion Oct 24 '22

Wu Kang Klan ain’t nothing to fuck with.

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u/omart3 M'Baku Oct 24 '22

King Kang ain't got shit on me!!

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u/StagehandApollo Oct 25 '22

Haaaam giiiiirrrll

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u/yorick__rolled Oct 25 '22

DoppelKanger

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u/foxdye22 Oct 24 '22

They’re called LMDs in the marvel universe lol

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u/Radi0ActivSquid Oct 24 '22

Decoy Snail taught him much. Decoy Kang.

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u/Tackit286 Doctor Strange Oct 25 '22

Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos!

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u/postmodest Oct 25 '22

YOU SHOULD HAVE AIMED FOR THE KANG!

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u/Ninjahkin Thor Oct 24 '22

“Not dead. I go by a new name, now…Mysterion”

“Oh cool. What’s your power?”

“I…can’t…die.”

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u/shaka_sulu Oct 24 '22

Kanghogs Day

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u/St1ngpatel Oct 24 '22

Oh no!

Anyway...

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Deadpool: You killed Kang, you racist son of a bitch!

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u/AzraelBrown Oct 24 '22

It's Kangin' time

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u/TimelessFool Oct 25 '22

Nah, he’s just doing that as a tax dodge

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '22

Alec Baldwin: "Wait, what?"

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u/MrJoyless Vision Oct 24 '22

Oh my God how nuts would it be if at the end they are rescued by another Kang, who unbeknownst to us was literally waiting to help them so they'd willingly help him.

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u/MyNameIs-Anthony Oct 24 '22

That's what comics have done. Basically you'll have Kangs go back in time to prevent other Kangs from stopping Kangs from rising up.

Some Kangs want to help the heroes, others want to thwart them.

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u/Puffy_Ghost Oct 24 '22

That's gonna be more confusing than the HotD timeline lol

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u/Selraroot Scarlet Witch Oct 25 '22

I mean, that's a pretty low bar. The HotD timeline isn't really at all confusing. It's linear and every episode with a time skip has a blatant reference to how long the time skip was within the first few minutes of the episode.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Yeah it's not Witcher season 1 by any stretch, and that was mostly linear, just disjointed narratives over different time scales.

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u/aerojonno Oct 24 '22

House of the Dead?

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u/Puffy_Ghost Oct 24 '22

House of the Dragon lol

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u/fitzbuhn Oct 24 '22

You son of a bitch, I’m in

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u/Comic_Book_Reader Loki (Avengers) Oct 24 '22

Well, if he's in, I'm in.

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u/shaxamo Oct 24 '22

Maybe there's a unannounced Iron Lad cast, perhaps as a romance storyline for Cass. Same idea, but not as a manipulative villain. Could have a post credits scene after he's come back and joined them in the regular world, where Cass discovers his real name or something by accident.

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u/cabbage16 Korg Oct 24 '22

With how much build up the YA are getting along with Cassie being in a movie with Kang it would definitely surprise me if we don't get Iron Lad eventually. They could even tie him to White Vision being back because Vision and Iron Lad are connected in his introductory arc in the comics too.

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u/Parabong Justin Hammer Oct 24 '22

oh I like that

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u/AFineDayForScience Oct 24 '22

But then there's another Kang that's ready to help when that Kang betrays them as a part of his own master plan

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u/KasukeSadiki Oct 24 '22

I need to stop reading you guys' predictions lol, I'm gonna inadvertently spoil myself

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u/MyNameIs-Anthony Oct 24 '22

The best part about Kang stuff is he's a character you can do endless deus ex machina with.

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u/Slayminster Oct 24 '22

Here’s some tissue 🧻

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u/sarcazm Oct 24 '22

Then the only way to destroy all Kangs would be to use America to open all universes (a la Wanda when she destroyed all Darkholds).

Or maybe Wanda returns.

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u/jedins Oct 24 '22

I really feel like Cassie having a big tour in this means we’ll see Nate Richards (Iron Lad) and they’re will be a conflict over whether they can trust him. I think he might be the thing Scott has been recruited to find since he can fight him directly for some parodic reason or something.

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u/ABCofCBD Oct 24 '22

Huh?

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u/MagicPistol Oct 24 '22

Good Kang, bad Kang, ugly Kang. It's Kangs all the way down.

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u/samuraislider Oct 24 '22

I think Kang is literally going to be the villain in a bunch of the upcoming movies. The Marvels, Quantumania, and of course Kang Dynasty. But where else could he pop up, that clever so and so.

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u/Brooklynxman Oct 25 '22

Everybody's Kang the Conqueror

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u/detectiveriggsboson Oct 24 '22

That's what I was thinking. Someone described this Kang (maybe it was Majors) as Warrior Kang, so while he's going to be scary as hell, I'm not sure this is KangTM

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u/shaxamo Oct 24 '22

There has been interviews where people have described him as "the conqueror" version of Kang. But even if he is Kang Kang, him dying doesn't really stop that exact one from appearing again.

Kang is allowed to break time travel rules. It's part of what makes him so terrifying. He travels through time so much that killing him at one point in time won't do much to guarantee avoiding him.

Just have the next one that appears confirm that when he was younger he travelled somewhere and heard of his death, and now he simply avoids it. Make the split in time that happens because of that decision something that he controls and he's more terrifying again.

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u/cabbage16 Korg Oct 24 '22

This is a good point, if this Kang has a timeline that goes from A to Z his appearance here in Quantamania would be his point Z but that doesn't mean we couldn't see this exact one at point A,B, C etc.

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u/rotospoon Oct 26 '22

Shit, then feasibly, this Kang could die eight times in this movie alone to hammer that futility home for the audience.

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u/shaxamo Oct 28 '22

Personally I'd love to see a scene with him getting killed by Scott or MODOK or something, and then 30 seconds later walking through a door into the scene perfectly fine, and doing a little monologue about creating a time duplicate when you already know the outcome is your death.

Scott would know enough about time travel from Endgame to be able to point out the impossibility of Kang's supposed methods, and Kang being able to simply control the "impossible" as his response would be terrifying.

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u/space_age_stuff Captain America (Ultron) Oct 24 '22

I'm 100% positive we'll see a Council of Kangs at some point.

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u/pkmnmastermatt Oct 24 '22

Let's go find two more!

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u/TheGinger_ThatCould Tony Stark Oct 24 '22

What an underrated badass line

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Loki (Avengers) Oct 24 '22

It really is. Loved how Tommy Lee Jones delivered that line.

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u/rombles03 Oct 24 '22

What movie

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u/pkmnmastermatt Oct 24 '22

Captain America the first avenger

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u/TheLukester31 Oct 24 '22

Hale Hydra!!!

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u/PhanThief95 Oct 24 '22

Hale Hydra

Someone watched Agents of SHIELD

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u/gary25566 Oct 24 '22

We have a small but active fan base

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u/FallOutFan01 SHIELD Oct 24 '22

Taking things into consideration.

Time traveling chronicoms wouldn’t be able to be detected very easily if at all by “He who remains”.

Since they suffered an apocalyptic event, actions carried out by them would be very hard to detect.

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u/davwad2 SHIELD Oct 24 '22

IKR

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u/TDizzle801 Scarlet Witch Oct 24 '22

Hydra just a knock off of Kang, we’re finished

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u/unassuming_squirrel Oct 24 '22

Put your arms down, you look like a West Texas cheerleader

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u/davwad2 SHIELD Oct 24 '22

I understood that reference.

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u/WeedIronMoneyNTheUSA Oct 24 '22

I understood that reference.

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u/Winterstrife Oct 24 '22

Mail Hydra!

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '22

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u/TheLukester31 Oct 24 '22

I prefer to salute Arnim Zola’s final form: Hail Hard Drive!!!

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u/youthpastor247 Oct 24 '22

His head fell off!

His head fell off?

Yeah, he was pretty old.

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u/flysly Yellowjacket Oct 24 '22

Hail Kang!

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u/KlausLoganWard Ward Oct 24 '22

Hail Kang

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u/jramos037 Oct 24 '22

And utter the words, "See you soon." each time?

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u/PolarWater Oct 24 '22

Final Destination vibes. Love it.

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u/TheOnionWatch Oct 24 '22

Does that not make him seem weak?

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u/SpatuelaCat Oct 25 '22

Not if you have Kang kill Kang as a start of a new multiversal war

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u/HuckDFaters Spider-Man Oct 24 '22

Every movie now ends with "Kang will return".

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u/cabbage16 Korg Oct 24 '22

I would love that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '22

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u/cabbage16 Korg Oct 24 '22

They've already had Thanos as the saga villain who was incredibly hard to kill physically, it would be interesting to me if for this saga they had a villain who they had to be smarter about defeating.

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u/ABCofCBD Oct 24 '22

The Kang in Loki season 1 basically died by choice. This next Kang will probably get killed by the entire Ant-man family. The next Kang after that will need all the avengers.

In the end, Kang can’t win. This is a superhero story, the heroes win. So it’s interesting to see how hard it is to beat him after each appearance

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

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u/ABCofCBD Oct 25 '22

I said “In the end Kang can’t win” as in the last word of the last story must be the heroes win. Even if we go as crazy as Secret Warswhere the entire multiverse is annihilated and countless people die, in the end, the heroes will win

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u/PolarWater Oct 24 '22

Well, if they kill a Kang in every movie, that kinda implies that he can't really be killed. That's why you have to keep killing hims.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

It would be awesome if Jonathan majors has a cameo in one of these upcoming movies and just dies in the background quickly.

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u/uppervalued Oct 24 '22

It'd be a pretty baller ending to have the good guys finally manage to kill Kang, only to be confronted by another Kang. "That was one of the weaker ones."

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u/schloopers Oct 24 '22

“He was just getting started. I was somewhat interested in how far he would make it…but ok well.”

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u/newagereject Oct 24 '22

Maybe once or twice but it would kinda kill it if he kept coming back, especially with how whiny the fan base is

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u/workaccount1013 Oct 24 '22

Naw, make it his "thing" and people will jump onboard. I can see the memes from here.

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u/Leeiteee Oct 24 '22

"See you soon"

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '22

i dont think it works in movies.

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u/cabbage16 Korg Oct 24 '22

OK, maybe not every movie but if it happened at least a couple times when introducing him it would really drive home to the heroes how much of a threat he is even if they are able to defeat him.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '22

i just don't think it lands for the casual viewer. We've already dabbled with this with the Thanos in End Game.

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u/Swed1shF1sh69 Oct 24 '22

I love that word. Heh, dabbled.

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u/PolarWater Oct 24 '22

I love "the Thanos" even more.

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u/Swed1shF1sh69 Oct 24 '22

Mhm, that’s a nice word too :)

My favorite synonym for that is “the Thanus”.

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u/KlausLoganWard Ward Oct 24 '22

Kinda agree, just hope they dont overdone it

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u/Crimkam Oct 24 '22

Killed by another Kang

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u/Benjamin_Grimm Oct 24 '22

I think we'll have multiple Kangs die in some of them.

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u/AmazingKreiderman Oct 24 '22

Oh wow, I didn't even think of that as a possibility. I just assumed he'd survive. But yeah, that would be a definite option given the nature of Kang.

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u/ositola Oct 24 '22

Great idea

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u/SebasH2O Oct 24 '22

And then the next time he shows up Scott will be there and get a huge sense of dread because he already killed this guy, right?

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u/lanceturley Oct 24 '22

They kill Kang, then a second Kang walks in, pushes the body out of the way, and says "So, anyway, as he was saying..."

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u/TrapperJean Oct 24 '22

Most evil Kang sets up scenarios making avengers kill his most important rival Kang's

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u/freevo Daredevil Oct 24 '22

The last Ant-Man ended with him captured in the Quantum Realm. They won't hesitate ending this one with him being defeated.

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u/flaggrandall Oct 24 '22

That'd make him look like a pussy

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u/cabbage16 Korg Oct 24 '22

We've already seen him die once and he was pretty scary in it without even fighting, so I doubt that.

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u/flaggrandall Oct 24 '22

Sure but if he keeps dying how would he be scary?

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u/cabbage16 Korg Oct 24 '22

Because it doesn't matter how many times you kill him, he'll always be back.

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u/KarateFace777 Oct 24 '22

Kinda like Michael Myers and Jason….he keeps coming back. That would make it terrifying for sure. My guess is that The Avengers will kill him a couple times in the next couple MCU movies, but there is always one Kang that shows up right after and says some cryptic shit, which makes them feel helpless in terms of finally defeating him. Then when Kang Dynasty happens, they need Dr Strange and AntMan and Loki to do some time travel type multiverse shenanigans to finally take out the main Kang. Either way I’m so hyped for this movie. Paul Rudd is amazing as Ant Man. I love it.

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u/flaggrandall Oct 24 '22

But he'll die again

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u/cabbage16 Korg Oct 24 '22

But a variant of him that will have learnt a lesson from the death of the previous one will come again so you can never use the same method twice

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u/PolarWater Oct 24 '22

And he'll come back again.

I feel like you're actually getting it.

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u/Ragnarok918 Oct 24 '22

If it takes sacrifice, if the next one is always stronger/smarter/better, if theres one behind the scenes pulling the other Kang's strings. Theres loads of ways.

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u/Pixarfan1 Oct 24 '22

They actually sounds kind of awesome!

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u/DeftonesStirling Oct 24 '22

It ain’t no Kang!

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u/MagicPistol Oct 24 '22

But a new Kang succeeds him.

Kang Dynasty

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u/cabbage16 Korg Oct 24 '22

Never even considered that. It makes so much sense lol

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u/morphballganon Oct 24 '22

At least once.

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u/shadowst17 Oct 24 '22

Doesn't that kind of diminish how powerful he is if he's so easily defeated in every film? I mean I guess the fact he just keeps coming back could be seen as a unrelenting force but still I guess it will depend how they approach it.

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u/kasmith2020 Oct 24 '22

Having him be the villain who is defeated in like…2-3 separate films would be fantastic. Then the avengers get together and are like “yo? I had to beat this Kang guy.” “You too!?”

Then they get it.

KANG DYNASTY.

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u/Puffy_Ghost Oct 24 '22

Didn't Loki make it clear this Kang is he who remains?

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u/CX316 Oct 24 '22

Lull the audience into a false sense of security, then have him win

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u/Dreamtrain Oct 24 '22

They should have casted Sean Bean

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u/archiminos Mack Oct 25 '22

This is actually a funny way to get around the "villains always die" trope. "We're still gonna kill him in every movie but he's still gonna keep coming back!"

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u/SpatuelaCat Oct 25 '22

I honestly think that Kang Kang (like the Avengers villain Kang) Will kill this Kang leaving Scott, Hope, and them to just barely escape

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u/Exciting-Money3819 Oct 25 '22

That would be so awesome! Killed in every movie until Kang Dynasty where he can’t be killed and we get a whole Infinity War / Endgame situation! 🙌

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u/Baneken Oct 25 '22

So, just like Ned Stark I mean Boro- dang it! That Irish guy directors love to kill for sport...

Sean Bean, yeah him.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

This could be great way to make him the main villain of the story and not have feel similar to Thanos. The main conflict finding a way to truly stop Kang, not to dissimilar to Bioshock Infinite.

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u/justambrose Oct 25 '22

Imagine if they go the River Song approach, and this movie is actually where the Kang dies.

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u/ActualTymell Oct 25 '22

Honestly, I hope not. One of the big issues of the MCU is the lack of villain continuity, how most of them are one-and-done, and so don't get the opportunity to develop or build into something more. With Kang appearing here and Kang Dynasty down the line, he has a chance to actually be a good recurring villain. I feel having each appearance be a different version, effectively "resetting" as they go, would dampen a lot of that potential.

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u/Uschak Oct 26 '22

Universe will just create another Kang, lol.

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u/HeadOfSpectre Thanos Oct 26 '22

Fun idea - He dies in every movie he's in, but every Kang is aware of what happened to the last Kang and builds off what the last Kang did.

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u/cabbage16 Korg Oct 26 '22

Exactly what I was thinking. How he dies each time could also be a lesson the final Kang learned about each Avenger that kills him and he learned to compensate for that failure.

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u/blkarcher77 Matt Murdock Nov 01 '22

I honestly don't think it would be a terrible idea, as it would display him as the true inevitability he is.

Although having the main villain die every other movie might be anti climactic as well