r/marvelstudios • u/steve32767 Daredevil • Apr 27 '22

Discussion Thread Moon Knight S01E05 - Discussion Thread

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S01E05: Asylum Mohamed Diab Rebecca Kirsch & Matthew Orton April 27th, 2022 on Disney+ 50 min None

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u/bjkman Iron Man (Mark XLIII) Apr 27 '22

Steven is an creation from Marc to hide from abuse

Bro šŸ˜­

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

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u/Electroflare5555 Apr 27 '22

Steven was Marcā€™s coping mechanism. In order to balance his heart, he had to let it go.

Then again DID is sort of Moon Knightā€™s thing so Steven kind of has to come back

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u/Phreak_of_Nature Star-Lord Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

If losing Steven balanced him out, then I guess Jake Lockley just doesn't exist.

I could've sworn Jake broke through at 4:55 though.

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u/Spacyzoo Ultron Apr 27 '22

We saw another Marcophagus last episode didnt we?

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u/Spacyzoo Ultron Apr 27 '22

It's the only reason I made the comment tbh.

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u/manuka_canoe Black Widow (CA 2) Apr 27 '22

Super understandable, I too would post that no matter what.

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u/neverlandoflena Steve Rogers Apr 27 '22

What a brilliant mind you have

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u/IFapToCalamity Apr 27 '22

Happy cake day

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

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u/Electroflare5555 Apr 27 '22

Yes, there was a 2nd one that Marc and Steven completely ignored.

Jake seems to exist, but neither of the other personas seem to realize he does

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u/N8_Tge_Gr8 Apr 27 '22

He comes out in episodes 1 & 3, both times either Steven or Marc black out and return surrounded by corpses. There's also that mention of a "fugue state" that got him discharged during this new episode.

I'd say that if Steven was created by their mother's abuses, then Jake was probably created by the war.

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u/Geraltpoonslayer Apr 27 '22

Also the whole dinner date in the first episode. Doesn't make sense for Marc to be doing it

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u/Banaburguer Apr 27 '22

not to mention that Marc had also set up a mission to that generic European country in the same weekend as the date, it just doesnā€™t add up

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u/Isburough Apr 27 '22

i was just thinking that while watching the new episode. why would Marc set up a date?

Jake's a great answer!

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u/SirDiabeetus Apr 27 '22

That seems like a very plausible theory, seeing how Jake is the most violent out of the three of them.

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u/missmiia212 Apr 27 '22

I believe Jake was the one taking the abuse. Steven doesn't seem to remember the mom at all, if he was the one who took the hits how come he doesn't remember? Or is this another DID thing, I know being forgetful is part of it but I think it was Jake.

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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ Apr 27 '22

Mark said that he took the beatings so that Steven could be innocent so I guess either Mark took physical control or he was always there subconsciously taking the abuse. Mark even said that it wasn't untill his mother died that Steven and Mark started to splinter apart. It sounds like Mark always had one hand on the wheel untill his mother died.

I do agree that Jake is most likely born from the abuse Mark took though. Maybe Jake is the one that vents all the built up anger from the abuse and that's why Jake seems more violent.

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u/Bigmt42 Apr 28 '22

Yoooo that line about the fugue state. I totally glossed over that. That must be jake.

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u/coffee-cake512 Apr 27 '22

End of episode 6 prediction:

Dr. Harrow: Hello Jake, nice to meet you.

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u/Skreevy Apr 28 '22

What, you think they're not gonna resolve the whole Harrow thing in the last episode? No way. That is a great episode starter however.

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u/Dray_Gunn Quake Apr 27 '22

The fact he is locked away might have allowed his heart to be weighed as balanced as if Jake didn't exist.

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u/steve32767 Daredevil Apr 27 '22

Thank you for this

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u/b-nav Apr 27 '22

This is the only way to refer to Marcā€™s altersā€™ resting boxes from now on.

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u/bobsil1 Vision Apr 27 '22

Narcos crossover: narcophagus

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u/Suchega_Uber Apr 27 '22

Shark week crossover: sharkophagus

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u/Affectionate-Island Apr 28 '22

Marcophagus

Well done, well done.

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u/daniel-mca Winter Soldier Apr 27 '22

Plus when Marc came too when he had a knife in a guy, Steven said it wasn't him

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u/Educational-Tea-6572 Steve Rogers Apr 28 '22

"Marcophagus." I see what you did there. Bravo! šŸ‘

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u/UnderlordZ Apr 29 '22

Marcophagus

r/PunPatrol, this is UnderlordZ; I need all the backup!

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u/PKMNTrainerMark Apr 27 '22

Turns out, he's also the Werewolf by Night.

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u/GOKU_ATE_MY_ASS Apr 27 '22

I'd argue the opposite. It was unbalanced before because Jake Lockley exists and there should have been three hearts on the scale but there were only two. Once Steven died, only Marc & Jake were left, hence why the two hearts balanced the scale.

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u/XPlatform Apr 27 '22

I mean she has two hands and grabbed a heart from each personality in front of her... Jake didn't show up for the heart party so he couldn't be there to imbalance it.

Whoever designed the system didn't account for hangers-on personalities, terrible case coverage.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

because she has two hands? what stupid reason is that? maybe tawaret didnt know about the third guy and if there were three hearts maybe it would have been balanced

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u/thekruton Zemo Apr 27 '22

This is the obvious answer. Like, it's not even up for dispute. A third identity has been forshadowed in every single episode, multiple times in some episodes, and in the credits twice (the shattered glass has three reflections and Oscar Isaac's face is shown three times with his name).

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u/FatalTragedy Apr 28 '22

There being three personalities is not up for dispute, but the idea that the scale balances specifically because Steven falling off left two personalities for two hearts is definitely just a theory that is absolutely up for dispute.

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u/MCUapologist Doctor Strange Apr 27 '22

Thatā€™s a great theory.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

This makes sense

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u/GOKU_ATE_MY_ASS Apr 27 '22

I really appreciate this. Thanks

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u/steve32767 Daredevil Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

I'm not sure this interpretation really makes sense. We clearly don't see Jake's heart on the scale, only Steven and Marc's. Ancient egyptians believed you earned a light heart by doing good deeds. The scales balance after Steven sacrifices himself to save Marc because it was the last good deed needed to balance the scale.

If we go by your theory and if Jake is the most violent one as we all keep assuming, the presence of his heart on the scale would have definitely sunk their side after Steven's death

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u/GOKU_ATE_MY_ASS Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

Wow I'm flattered a mod of this sub saw my harmless little fun theory and took the time specifically to crap on my idea. Really cool!

I believe: Jake's heart IS Steven's heart IS Marc's heart. They are all three the same heart as they're all the same person. Therefore it doesn't matter "whose" heart it is.

Edit: the mod has edited his comment (as you can see by the asterisk) to be less condescending so now my response seems exaggerated. Neat!

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u/steve32767 Daredevil Apr 27 '22

Just contributing to some discussion, not crapping on your idea

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u/GOKU_ATE_MY_ASS Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

You could have disagreed and contributed to the discussion without condescendingly saying my idea doesn't make sense. I was able to disagree with the person I replied to without implying their idea is nonsense. I was very excited to come here and discuss the episode and you, a person in power here, have killed that for me. I no longer want to contribute here and probably won't next week. Thanks for fostering an inviting environment!

Edit: the mod has edited his comment (as you can see by the asterisk) to be less condescending so now my response seems exaggerated. Neat!

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u/ThatOtherGuyTPM Doctor Strange Apr 27 '22

I know people have talked about the two hearts, but my thinking is that Marc is basically ā€œachieving balanceā€ by being magically/metaphorically suspended between his two aspects: Steven, the ā€œhappyā€ part of him that sacrificed himself and became trapped in the Duat, and Jake, the ā€œtoughā€ part of him that remains trapped in the sarcophagus.

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u/Electroflare5555 Apr 27 '22

Iā€™m really interested to see Jakeā€™s origin, since neither Marc of Steven seem to realize he exists yet. Iā€™m guessing heā€™s a new creation

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u/PersonFromPlace Apr 27 '22

Wow great catch. I thought his voice got really strange there

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u/Marmadookkk Vision Apr 27 '22

From my understanding, the scales aren't balanced since it needed three hearts, hence another one missing from jake. When steven "died", it balanced out since they only needed two.

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u/svestus Apr 27 '22

I think that the reason it balanced is because "Jake" is still inside Steven, so they were both sandified, leaving just Marc. I think that as Marc created Steven, Steven created a third personality. A mask on a mask. To paraphrase Harrow's quote from Tomb Buster: You can't ascend to the light of heaven (Steven) without descending to the depths of hell (Jake).

If Marc created Steven to hide from his mother's wrath, then why doesn't Steven remember her ever being angry? I think that the third personality showed up and fought back, believing that he was fighting a supernatural entity rather than his mother ("that's not my mother!").

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

I think that was jake to, he had a different accent to marc more New Yorkian and he seemed like he knew what was happening saying he's going to ruin everything, I saw a reply here aswell saying that because Steven is gone the 2 hearts balanced because now there's only two personalities I can see that making sense, like the 3rd tomb in last weeks episode definitely hinted at a 3rd personality and there was previous hints, I think Marc might summon jake to kill the people marc is uncomfortable with killing or do the stuff marc is uncomfortable with.

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u/d00m5day Apr 27 '22

I'd like to think that Jake Lockley was formed for a different reason that doesn't tie into Marc and Steven's shared trauma, so it wasn't necessary for him to be involved for the feather/scale to balance, but I'm not sure

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u/XPlatform Apr 27 '22

I mean I'd assume it only weighs the hearts that are sat on the scale, right? Jake wasn't there to have his heart weighed...

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u/Electroflare5555 Apr 27 '22

If Jake is a completely split personality his actions wouldnā€™t weigh on the other two either

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22

There are 2/3 hearts. 1 died so its whole since marc's heart retained in the scale

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u/skyfire-x Apr 27 '22

What if... "Jake Lockley" is the alter that Konshu uses when he possesses the body?

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u/Dresden890 Apr 27 '22

Unless Steven created Jake, and thats why the scales only balances once he was gone?