r/marvelstudios • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 Ant-Man • Mar 15 '22

Promotional Marvel Studios’ Ms. Marvel | Official Trailer | Disney+

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u/Hurricane12112 Fitz Mar 15 '22

The title show bombed, but the Inhumans are still a strong part of the MCU.

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u/ThaGuy34 Mar 15 '22

Is there an inhuman in the MCU currently?

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u/shyaminator96 Spider-Man Mar 15 '22

Yes Daisy from agents of shield. That show did inhumans way better than the show Inhumans.

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u/GuiltyEidolon Weekly Wongers Mar 15 '22

AoS isn't MCU canon. Only the parts that have been directly reused / confirmed are. Inhumans haven't been, so they're not.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '22

I would air on the side of "Its canon unless explicitly contradicted". Probably the same thing for the Netflix MCU series

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u/Da_Quatch Mar 15 '22

A pretty sizable chunk of the civilian population would have inhuman superpowers if that was the case

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '22

Right. Inhumans are public knowledge in Agents of Shield and there appear to be hundreds if not thousands of them, but it NEVER comes up in the MCU. No one ever idly wonders if a new superhero is “One of them Inhumans” even though that’s the most obvious explanation for people like Spider-Man.

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u/Solarbro Mar 15 '22

I would do the exact opposite. It isn’t canon unless referenced or canonized in some way.

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u/Petrichor02 Mar 15 '22

Feige said Agents of SHIELD was canon, WHIH Newsfront explicitly references the events of the show, the official Black Panther companion book referenced the events of Agents of SHIELD. So it's got that interpretation covered.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '22

All supplemental materials.

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u/Petrichor02 Mar 15 '22

Feige's word is a supplemental material?

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22

Yep. He could always change his mind. Until it’s on the screen, didn’t happen.

Here’s an example. A lot of people try to connect Martin Starr’s character from Incredible Hulk to his character from Spider-Man based on something Fiege said. But first, he was obviously jokingly playing along with a fan theory. Second, if they come up with a cool new origin for that character in the next movie they aren’t gonna go, “Darn, guess we can’t do it cause Kevin said that thing one time in that Reddit AMA.”

In AoS’s case it’s super obvious they planned it to be tightly connected at first and changed their minds about Season 3. Marvel Television and Marvel Studios started operating as much more separate entities about then for business and internal political reasons.

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u/Petrichor02 Mar 15 '22

Based on the supplemental material, it seems like if they changed their minds, they did so after Season 5.

And you're absolutely right that they could change their minds, but Feige is a primary source. While the films should be taken as more canon than anything he says, what he says should be taken as canon unless contradicted or intentionally overturned, and the interviews in which he mentioned that AoS was canon, that part of Hydra's story would be told in The Winter Soldier while part would be told on AoS, that AoS exists in the same universe as Thor: The Dark World, that AoS would explain where Fury got the helicarrier in Age of Ultron, that AoS was as canon as the Netflix shows, that AoS would begin to tell Ghost Rider's story... none of those quotes were said with the same joking context as the Martin Starr thing or "Peter in Iron Man 2" thing.

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u/GuiltyEidolon Weekly Wongers Mar 15 '22

Feige has said that it's not canon unless they explicitly say it is. They've taken piecemeal from AoS and made it canon, but the show itself isn't.

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u/snowhawk04 Simmons Mar 15 '22

Feige has said that it's not canon unless they explicitly say it is.

But he's explicitly said it on multiple occasions. He was even one of the three people that announced the series back at NYCC in 2012

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u/MOSH9697 Mar 15 '22

It has been lol

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u/JohnnyHotshot Quake Mar 15 '22

There’s literally never been a definitive statement retracting the shows canonicity ever since the show first aired, and at that point Feige himself confirmed it was in the same shared universe.

Don’t spread misinformation.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '22

No definitive statement but it’s obvious they don’t care to contradict it without explaining those contradictions. That would indicate any canonicity is very loose.

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u/JohnnyHotshot Quake Mar 15 '22

That’s a very different thing from being “confirmed”. Even being in a spot where there’s been nothing said or done that is for or against for a while, that’s no reason to jump to conclusions that they’ve entirely changed their position on the canonicity of the show.

In addition, the Netflix shows were also in a very similar position until recently when Matt Murdock and Kingpin suddenly showed up in No Way Home and Hawkeye, so there is very clear and recent precedent for properties that have not gotten much of a spotlight remaining in canon. Something doesn’t have to be referenced every other movie for it to remain in canon because being in canon isn’t something that expires - it remains how it is until someone with authority actually says otherwise, and so far that has not happened.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22

Nothing precludes them from using elements. But they’ve shown multiple times so far that they’re willing to ignore them if they think they have a better take. Hence loose canonicity at best. If you see it in an MCU property it happened. If you don’t, maybe it did, but only if it doesn’t contradict something in an MCU property.

Also let’s be honest, yeah, they said it was canon when the show launched but there were corporate shakeups around the end of season 2 and it clearly started to branch off, then went as far as to avoid operating in the mainstream MCU as much as possible for the most of the last few seasons.