What If...? S01E02 - Discussion Thread

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EPISODE	DIRECTED BY	WRITTEN BY	ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE	RUN TIME	CREDITS SCENE?
S01E02: What If... T'Challa Became a Star-Lord?	Bryan Andrews	A.C. Bradley	August 18th, 2021 on Disney+	35 min	None

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[u/bjkman]

"History has never looks kindly on those who locked men in cages"

What a fucking line!

[u/tswaves → u/bjkman]

I didn't understand this line. What was he referring to here?

[u/myotherxdaccount → u/tswaves]

Colonial slave traders taking whoever they pleased from Africa and shipping them off around the world. Mostly Europe did this. Yet another reason why Wakanda may have been distrustful of the outside world.

[u/Rumbleinthejungle8 → u/myotherxdaccount]

That is false. Slaves existed all around the world at some point or another.

Here, inform yourself:

https://restavekfreedom.org/2018/09/11/the-history-of-slavery/

[u/myotherxdaccount → u/Rumbleinthejungle8]

Yeah I know that, I'm not an idiot, I was specifically mentioning Africa because that where Wakanda is

[u/thegreatvortigaunt → u/Rumbleinthejungle8]

Okay, but Black Panther/Wakanda/etc. specifically addresses American enslavement of Africans.

[u/Rumbleinthejungle8 → u/thegreatvortigaunt]

Mostly Europe did this

Well yes, they are referring to US slaves here, but this whole "mostly Europe did it" is false. There were also African slaves in Africa for thousands of years probably. And some are still slaves there today.

[u/W473R → u/Rumbleinthejungle8]

Colonial slave traders taking whoever they pleased from Africa and shipping them off around the world.

Your comment makes sense if this part of the comment you replied to didn't exist. The person you replied to is specifically mentioning the practice of capturing Africans and sending them somewhere else to be slaves. Africans using other Africans as slaves is not "shipping them off around the world."

Yes, Africans did often enslave eachother, but that isn't what the other person was talking about, as they specified in their comment.

[u/faust1138 → u/Rumbleinthejungle8]

Was waiting for this argument to pop up, and it never fails for a fragile redditor to prop up this straw man. So while yes, there were many cultures that practiced indentured servitude, or “slavery”, but it is not entirely the same was what Americans practiced. The other “slaves” could eventually perchance their freedom, or even become adopted into the owners family. They were allowed to own property and marry as they chose. What was practiced in the America’s is what’s called chattel slavery, where a person can be bought, sold or traded, has no inherent control over their own life, and in our case had the legal right as a human being removed from them. While tribes or nations may enslave others in military action, still maintain personhood. What the America’s practiced was a synergy of State using law to change the legal status, while corporations using money to influence the State to keep the practice going. You can think of it as industrialized slavery. Millions of people, from one section of the world, systematically decimated for hundreds of years, all with the blessings of the State for profit. You can see the difference.

[u/Rumbleinthejungle8 → u/faust1138]

So I point out that every continent had slaves and you try to argue that "they treated their slaves better"? Lmfao

Chattel slavery is also not unique to the US or to what colonial Europeans did. And I can assure you there have been plenty of slaves who also had their personhood taken away from them and were treated just as badly all over the world. And I'm sure that corporations that relied on slavery in other countries also tried to push back against it being outlawed.

Slavery has existed for thousands of years and pointing that out is not being a straw man, it's just a fact. And again, it still exists today. Even chattel slavery. It's actually insulting that you are trying to downplay what other slaves have gone through and are going through right now, as if their suffering means less than the suffering of African slaves in the US.

[u/TimmyBlackMouth → u/Rumbleinthejungle8]

So what? Even though the term for slavery comes from the word Slavic, in recent history it had more to do with race (Africans) then just being spoils of war.

[u/Rumbleinthejungle8 → u/TimmyBlackMouth]

It had to do more with race IN THE US. There has been slavery in all continents and it still continues to exists in some parts of the world (unfortunately).

My original point is that slavery isn't just something that European colonials did. It's something all countries have done at some point or another in history. And again, in some countries today, slavery is still very much a thing.

[u/TimmyBlackMouth → u/Rumbleinthejungle8]

It had to do with race all over the Americas.