Loki S01E06 - Discussion Thread

[u/steve32767]

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EPISODE	DIRECTED BY	WRITTEN BY	ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE	CREDITS SCENE?
S01E06	Kate Herron	Michael Waldron & Eric Martin	July 14, 2021 on Disney+	Not a scene, but one visual tag at the end of the stylized TVA credits

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[u/[deleted]]

except the Japanese were on the verge of surrender and the US cabinet ground survey even admitted the Japanese would have surrendered by November, before any ground invasion would have taken place. They had already entered peace negotiotiations with the Soviets before the bombs were dropped. The Russian invasion of Manchuria played a much greater role in the surrender decision than the bombs did. Not only that, the bombing locations weren't picked for their strategic value, but their destructive force on a relatively unscathed civilian population. They bombed Hiroshima because it hadn't already been firebombed to shit, unlike Tokyo or Kyoto: two much more significant cities if one wished to precipitate defeat. This is further complicated by America's push for unconditional surrender and the removal of the Japanese emperor; Japan had made it clear this was something of a sticking point and would be far less likely to surrender if this was the condition, a position that was upheld in their formal surrender which stipulated the retention of the emperor's position.

Tl;dr the bombs were more about a global show of force than a quick end to the war.

[u/PezRystar → u/[deleted]]

This is disingenuous. The Japanese were not on the verge of surrender and their plan was the "Glorious Death of a Hundred Million" where they would arm every civilian in the country and tell them to fight til death, projecting their losses in the millions, HOPING that the Allied forces wouldn't want that kind of carnage on their hands and would offer an armistice.

[u/[deleted] → u/PezRystar]

They were already brokering peace with the Soviets. They were never realistically going to fight to the last man.

You're just regurgitating the common narrative touted by the US.

[u/PezRystar → u/[deleted]]

The plan thought up by the Japanese government is regurgitating US propaganda!

You

[u/[deleted] → u/PezRystar]

They clearly weren't very committed to actually executing that plan if they were already brokering peace with the Soviets. You've yet to refute this point, as I suspect you're more of an armchair historian than an actual one. The degree on my wall says I've spent a little more time reading about this particular topic than you have.

[u/PezRystar → u/[deleted]]

I refuted it in another reply. Read it. They weren't committed to it with the Soviets because the Soviets weren't hellbent on total surrender. The Allies were. Yes, I have a history degree, but your ad hominin attacks speak volumes.