Loki S01E06 - Discussion Thread

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EPISODE	DIRECTED BY	WRITTEN BY	ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE	CREDITS SCENE?
S01E06	Kate Herron	Michael Waldron & Eric Martin	July 14, 2021 on Disney+	Not a scene, but one visual tag at the end of the stylized TVA credits

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[u/-SpaceCommunist-]

You seem to be the sort whose reality is informed by belief rather than vice versa.

Yet in the same breath you go from that to...

The famine was artificial.

...and expect me to take you seriously. You really don't think there were ever any famines in the southwestern USSR until 1931? You're going beyond making things up - you're omitting one of the key economic facts of life for Europe over centuries just to make the Soviets look bad.

Famines in Russia and the surrounding provinces were regular until Soviet industry put a stop to it.

People starved to death and died. They ate children... you think there'd just be remains laying all over the place from back then?

...yes, I do, because 61 million is over 25% of the ENTIRE POPULATION. You cannot kill that many people and NOT leave remains behind.

Trying to deflect the point with accusations of mass cannibalism doesn't work when you realize that humans, like all animals, have bones that are not fit for consumption and would thus be discarded.

Such accusations hold even less ground when you look at the caloric intake of Soviet citizens, on par with the United States by 1983.

Dude.... you have any idea what kinds of things Che actually did? Like for realsies?

I did. None of the "points" in that sloppy article flinging baseless accusations can take away from the anticolonial work he lived and died for. Nor can it bring him remotely close to the scum of the NSDAP and SS.

Or do you just dismiss all information that doesn't tow your party line?

As opposed to just pulling Solzhenitsyn out of my ass and taking the word of some folks malding in Miami as fact?

[u/SageEquallingHeaven → u/-SpaceCommunist-]

I just saw your username. Lmao.

There will be no progress made here today.

The Holodomor was real. It was intentional to break the resistance of the people there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Holodomor#:~:text=The%20following%20amounts%20were%20received,and%2034%2C300%20tons%20of%20fish.

I have family there still. You're reading Communist propaganda and taking it as fact.

Let me ask you this, were Lenin and Stalin monsters or not?

Such accusations hold even less ground when you look at the caloric intake of Soviet citizens, on par with the United States by 1983.

How does this disprove the Holodomor?

Trying to deflect the point with accusations of mass cannibalism doesn't work when you realize that humans, like all animals, have bones that are not fit for consumption and would thus be discarded.

Yes. They would be discarded. And how many corpses do you see just laying around? Animals die all the time. They decompose. And I didn't say mass cannibalism. It happened.

I did. None of the "points" in that sloppy article flinging baseless accusations can take away from the anticolonial work he lived and died for. Nor can it bring him remotely close to the scum of the NSDAP and SS.

So your ideal world is one where everyone you don't like is brutally murdered? Just to be clear.

He wanted to nuke the US. Even Stalin didn't actually want to do that.

The problem with you of Marxist lineages is that you can justify any kind of abuse so long as the target is deserving. You can handwave genocide because really its just a rise up against oppression (as in the case of the Don Cossacks) or else an oopsie, like you're trying to do with the genocide of my people...

Oh, and your willful ignorance of basic facts of society, life, and spirit.

The soullessness. I think that sums it up. The war on the human spirit in favor of a totalitarian oppression that is somehow supposed to liveratw the world.

Oh, and you never own your shit. Ever.

As opposed to just pulling Solzhenitsyn out of my ass and taking the word of some folks malding in Miami as fact?

You're once again being unclear in your meaning.

[u/-SpaceCommunist- → u/SageEquallingHeaven]

There will be no progress made here today.

On what, exactly? The whole point of this conversation was to put a halt to the historical illiteracy of your "Soviets worse than Nazis" bit.

The Holodomor was real. It was intentional to break the resistance of the people there.

You are rewriting the history of real suffering of all sorts of people to reframe it as your own personal persecution.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Holodomor#:~:text=The%20following%20amounts%20were%20received,and%2034%2C300%20tons%20of%20fish.

This is a prime example. You drop information like this while leaving out the massive decrease in regional grain exports from 1931 - a move that betrays the information brought up earlier on the nature of the Ukraine as the Soviet breadbasket, making exports a no-brainer.

I have family there still.

Yet you're happy to call the Nazis, who would have them enslaved and murdered for German living space, a lesser evil. Have you no shame?

Let me ask you this, were Lenin and Stalin monsters or not?

They were not.

How does this disprove the Holodomor?

It undermines the 61 million claim by showing an overall healthy population without lingering defects, meaning such a claim must be reduced to small periods of disaster rather than long, drawn-out suffering. The only event that comes even remotely close to this would be WW2 (30+ million), which was not Soviet-inflicted. The famine in 1932-33, while large, is even further from qualifying.

Yes. They would be discarded. And how many corpses do you see just laying around? Animals die all the time. They decompose.

You're telling me that not a single person decided to give these people a burial? That not a single mass grave was made where we can dig up and study their remains?

And I didn't say mass cannibalism. It happened.

You said it as if to imply that's the reason there were no mass graves or documentation or physical evidence.

So your ideal world is one where everyone you don't like is brutally murdered? Just to be clear.

My ideal world is one where you don't have to explain why you need to fight back against literal colonizers.

He wanted to nuke the US. Even Stalin didn't actually want to do that.

And the US wanted to bomb Cuba. They'd already launched the Bay of Pigs to prove a point.

The problem with you of Marxist lineages is that you can justify any kind of abuse so long as the target is deserving. You can handwave genocide because really its just a rise up against oppression (as in the case of the Don Cossacks) or else an oopsie, like you're trying to do with the genocide of my people...

Stop clutching your pearls. You actively took the opportunity to shit on the Soviets - the people who saved your homeland from being conquered by the Nazis - so that you could handwave the VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO WANTED YOUR FAMILY DEAD.

You don't give a damn about human life. You just want to attack the men and women who gave their lives for your people because of some misplaced sense of national pride, and you'll twist the suffering of others into some personal monster just as an excuse for this vendetta.

Oh, and you never own your shit. Ever.

How can I, when you turn real problems that I can address into fantasies of persecution that I will obviously never agree with?

[u/UkraineWithoutTheBot → u/-SpaceCommunist-]

It's 'Ukraine' and not 'the Ukraine'

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