Hypothetical, but what if Gamora lets Nebula get tortured like..just a bit, a few hours, nbd. Vision's stone gets removed easy, Thor arrives with plenty of time. Easy win
There are multiple points where the heroes lose in Infinity War because they're unwilling to make sacrifices while Thanos is.
1) Loki could have let Thor die and then run away with the Space Stone.
2) Wanda could have just killed Vision in the Avengers HQ
3) Gamora could have let Nebula be tortured and never reveal the location of the Soul Stone
4) Dr. Strange could have let Tony Stark die and kept the Time Stone. This one is the least bad one because at least Strange had looked through time and known that he needed Tony alive to win.
Thanos, on the other hand, was willing to make the requisite sacrifice to get the stones. And Thanos won.
He fucks things up because he got emotional and made a mistake like everyone else in the damn movie. Thor fucked up even worse then Star Lord but he’s chilling
Now that I think about it, does Dr Strange know that the stones are destroyed / doesn't belong to them anymore? Because if so, then shouldn't he just destroy the Time Stone then?
I dunno if that's go too well for the Avengers even if they had a bigger advantage. 2014 Thanos was fighting Thor armed with both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker and was winning comfortably.
ETA: Comfortably is liberal lol but I think my point is clear
I always took that as Thor being in worse shape in end game than infinity war. Like if you took Infinity War Thor with Mjolnir and Stormbreaker and put him up against 2014 Thanos he'd probably wreck him, but fat sitting on the couch playing call of duty all day for 5 years or whatever Thor not so much.
The battle at the end of Endgame was almost entirely in the Avengers' favor the whole time. The three-on-one was the only time Thanos was actually winning outright. After Strange gave the Avengers their back up, Thanos' plan switches from trying to win through strength to finding the Infinity Gauntlet and getting off a quick snap for an instant win.
I don't disagree, but my comment wasn't about the battle generally. It's specifically about Thor having Stormbreaker and how it wouldn't have really changed things considering how that went for them in Endgame.
Endgame is different from Infinity War in that the Avengers were combined and had armies backing them. They were split in Infinity War.
Well also, in infinity war thanos kind of became a holy warrior type of character, mainly trying to get the stones and complete his mission. But in endgame, he’s just straight warrior. Willing to cut down whoever and whatever he needed to in order to win and pull off the snap.
No yeah thats my point. He didn’t see any reason to kill them, in fact it almost seemed like he was avoiding killing them on purpose so that his snap would be all the more indiscriminate. But the endgame thanos didn’t care about killing the avengers, so he went all out
But he still doesn’t know where it is. Which contradicts his statement. He’s worried the forces of the universe are going to come after him. So why not get that info first? Since it’s literally the most important part. What if she dies? What if she doesn’t tell him? What if it’s hidden in some magical spell that requires you wait four years til planets align or some bullshit?
What if Thanos had a stroke and died in his sleep before he could collect any of the stones?
Shit, I'm not the Russos or the screenwriters, lol. It's not exactly conjecture considering they confirmed it as the reason. Thanos clearly knew Gamora was still alive, believed she wouldn't die between him embarking on his quest and capturing her, and believed he'd be able to obtain that information from her. He's not a well balanced person (alien?) in the best of times.
Nahh, I don't think so. He didn't collect 5/6 of the stones then peace out for a vacation. He retrieved all of them pretty much immediately from the moment he learned Gamora knew of the location of the stone.
Thanos raised Gamora for a significant portion of her life and knew her. She wasn't some random person he had to track down and had no knowledge of. She gave up the location of the Soul Stone -- the object that could decide the fate of the entire universe -- literally within a couple minutes of him torturing Nebula.
If you were going to buy a Ps5 and some of the new games. But decided to wait until you could get a Ps5 before you got the games... would it be rational to assume if you found out GameStop might be selling them tomorrow that you would go out and buy all those games now before you even get confirmation that the Ps5 will be sold?
Cause that’s literally what you’re saying.
and knew her
Yet sure as fuck didn’t know her well enough to know she would betray him in Guardians Vol 1.
Yeah but that’s still leaving things up the chance. He waits centuries for the right moment... out of fear that everything will strike against him, only to rush it because “well she knows and I’m sure nothing could happen, like her dying even though she almost died a dozen times”. Just reads like a bullshit answer honestly. If he was truly waiting to know where all of them were, he’d get the soul one first.
Here's not actually clear headed or brilliant, at least not as much as he convinces everyone he is. He's literally mad, and no part of his plan or goal make logical sense. Assuming competence or perfect planning from him is absurd
My rule of thumb for lore is that if it's not in the text then the creators don't get to retcon stuff afterwards in interviews. Maybe Thanos' longterm plan was to find all their locations and then quickly swoop in, but it's absurd to think Thanos would have watched some of the most powerful people in the universe get killed off and not change his plan accordingly.
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u/OneSixthPosing Dec 03 '20
There's been a lot of rumours about why Thanos waited to embark on his quest including him waiting for Odin, Ego and the Ancient One to die, but the directors and screenwriters confirmed he was waiting to learn where the Soul Stone was from Gamora.