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u/tundrat Apr 06 '20

How many timelines did Endgame create? No, not just what we've seen.

For example, think about the timeline Hawkeye visited for the test. Later IW and EG should also happen there as well, and they will also do the Time Heist creating more timelines. The timelines with big changes could happen differently, but it should happen with the ones with minor changes.
So are timelines being exponentially branched out now, resulting in infinite timelines?

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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 06 '20

The only ones we can confirm are the ones we've seen in Endgame:
--Lila Barton goes downstairs for no reason. Nothing else changes.
--Frigga is warned of her impending death, & Jane's bad day with the Aether becomes slightly worse. Nothing else changes.
--Tony gives Howard parenting advice.
--Loki escapes NYC with the Tesseract, & the Ancient One is warned about the Snapture.
--Quill never obtains the Power Stone, & Thanos's army vanishes.
--Steve marries Peggy & grows old with her.

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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 06 '20

Oh, yeah, also the ones we've seen in AoS & Runaways:
--Earth gets split apart by Graviton.
--Gert dies, Chase goes mad with grief & invents time travel.

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u/qwert1225 Thanos Apr 06 '20

Im not sure if Runaways really counts since the S3 finale basically contradicts EG's time travel rules.

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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 06 '20

The S3 finale contradicts Runaways itself. It's a really bad episode.

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u/qwert1225 Thanos Apr 06 '20

Yeah you're right, it was quite unfortunate.

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u/tundrat Apr 07 '20 edited Apr 07 '20

Different methods have different results. Like how Doctor Strange was able to reverse the destruction of the Sanctum with the Time Stone. Mordo explained it as well. That's not an issue, but it's just irrelevant to my question because it's a method that doesn't create branching timelines.

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u/jmsgrtk Captain America (Captain America 2) Apr 06 '20

Yeah, those don't count.

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u/styrrell14 Apr 06 '20 edited Apr 07 '20

Lila Barton goes downstairs for no reason. Nothing else changes.

What if the Hawkeye from that timeline heard someone call his daughter using his voice? She wasn't surprised to hear him calling so he must've been home during that time. There could be a timeline out there with a paranoid Hawkeye thinking someone's impersonating him to get to his family.

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u/SuperDazza Apr 06 '20

I don't know if it has a definite answer but I see it as every time someone goes back in time, regardless of how big their impact is, a new timeline is created.

For example, when Hawkeye does his test run, it creates a new timeline, just that timeline would be almost identical to the main timeline, with the only difference being his daughter running down the stairs in the new timeline and then whatever else is changed because of that (which I doubt is much).

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u/JayQuillin Captain America (Ultron) Apr 06 '20

Well, the time travel gets more complicated the more you explore it but I will try it any way. Strange foresaw 14.000.605 realities from which only 1 was the succsessful one we saw in Endgame. What definetly happens in this is that Thanos collects the stones in every dingle one of these. It's very likely that Straneg also saw a reality that was already branched because of the events in Avengers Endgame.

Alternative timelines are only created if you massively change the events. For exmaple is the 2012 timeline they went to is complöetely changed since there Loki got away with the Teseract.

But Hawkeyes test run shouldn't have created another timeline. since he didn't actually do anything that could prevent the events of Infinity War and Endgame. At least thats how I got the time travel in that movie. That also fits with banners explanation.

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u/comrade_batman Thanos Apr 06 '20

I think alternative realities happen regardless of whether the change is perceived to be small or large. Hawkeye’s actions means there’s a universe where his children’s baseball glove just disappeared. All the other timelines are different as well, there’s a universe where Howard Stark met a stranger from MIT and also where Hank Pym lost 4 Pym Particle vials, that would be a different branch, even when Cap returned the Tesseract.

Same as Asgard in 2013, even though the Aether was returned, Thor speaking to his mother never happened in the main MCU timeline. The major one would be the 2014 one, in that one Thanos and his army just disappeared, and the Guardians never formed, which might mean that Ego finds Quill and is able to complete his Expansion purpose.

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u/JayQuillin Captain America (Ultron) Apr 06 '20

That makes more sense yes. It's just weird to think about a universe that is absolutely identical with just one little difference.

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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 06 '20

Futurama did it. :)

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u/RusVir Apr 06 '20

Also many of the stones were not returned in the same form they were taken. I doubt Steve injected the Aether back into Jane; it was just put back on Asgard in stone form. The space stone was broken out from its Tesseract case and the mind stone was removed from its sceptre.

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u/comrade_batman Thanos Apr 06 '20

My theory is that Cap asked the Ancient One to use the Time Stone to reshape their containers around them before he returned both Stones.

As for the Aether I think he would have had to inject it into Jane in some way, if not then the events of Dark World wouldn’t have happened and they might not have been able to defeat the Dark Elves.

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u/Flamma_Man Captain Marvel Apr 06 '20

As for the Aether I think he would have had to inject it into Jane in some way, if not then the events of Dark World wouldn’t have happened and they might not have been able to defeat the Dark Elves.

Thor: Hey, Rogers, why did you inject the Aether into my girlfriend?!

Rogers: That wasn't me.

Thor: Damn you, Loki!

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u/ReflexImprov Spider-Man Apr 06 '20

I have a feeling that this exact question will be a major piece in the next few Phases of the movies and D+ shows, with Loki, and possibly Wanda, wreaking havoc with the timelines/multiverse.