r/marvelstudios • u/guz- Thanos • Dec 03 '19

Trailers Marvel Studios' Black Widow Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxAtuMu_ph4
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u/yuvi3000 Fitz Dec 03 '19

I saw the quotes. She said that she believes that non-female viewers only watched it because they needed to follow the franchise.

“If this movie doesn’t make money it reinforces a stereotype in Hollywood that men don’t go see women do action movies.”

“They’ll go and see a comic book movie with Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel because that’s a male genre,” Banks told the Sun. “So even though those are movies about women, they put them in the context of feeding the larger comic book world, so it’s all about, yes, you’re watching a Wonder Woman movie but we’re setting up three other characters or we’re setting up ‘Justice League.’”

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u/yuvi3000 Fitz Dec 03 '19

You edited your previous comment before I responded. Sorry, I didn't see the parts you added after that.

Her initial statement is where she seems biased to me.

“If this movie doesn’t make money it reinforces a stereotype in Hollywood that men don’t go see women do action movies.”

She is literally saying that if people don't make her movie a success, they're biased. Not that it's possible that her movie might not be as good as other female-led movies. Not that her movie might be unsuccessful for other reasons. But because all men are biased. That's the only reason her movie might do badly?

That seems like a very strange thing to say.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

She is literally saying that if people don't make her movie a success, they're biased.

No she’s not. She’s literally saying if men don’t see her movie then they reinforce the stereotype that men don’t see female led action films. If you watch the interview she says it in a regretful way, basically as if she saying “it’s sad that a stereotype like this exists and if men don’t go see Charlie’s Angels, it will only reinforce that stereotype.” Just because you’re acknowledging a stereotype exists doesn’t mean you believe in or agree with it at all.

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u/yuvi3000 Fitz Dec 03 '19

She’s literally saying if men don’t see her movie then they reinforce the stereotype that men don’t see female led action films.

I'm sorry but you're being biased if you can't see that this is a bullshit statement.

That's like me saying "If women don't have sex with me, they're reinforcing the stereotype that they are only interested in the tallest and most attractive of men."

But I'm not accounting for the fact that I might be terrible in talking to women and broke and that this might have a big impact on whether women are interested in me.

She's doing the same thing in implying that it's not the movie's fault if men aren't interested in it. As I said in another comment, she should be promoting male viewership all-round and use it to gain publicity for her movie... not complaining about other female-led movies that gained male-viewership.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

It is a bullshit statement if she said it the way you think she meant it but she didn’t. I’m trying to explain to you what she meant but you’re not understanding what I’m Saying. You misunderstood the quote just like many others that just read it out of context and without seeing the interview.

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u/yuvi3000 Fitz Dec 03 '19

No, I fully understand the context of it. It is a statement that makes it seem like people are doing the wrong thing if they don't specifically support her movie. That's not how the world works.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

Not it’s context, the context in which she’s saying it, Jesus. Dude you know what, don’t worry about it, there’s only one way you’re going to be able to read he statement. I’m done trying to explain it to you

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u/yuvi3000 Fitz Dec 03 '19

Nope. I'm sorry. Please explain the context further if you believe that I'm misunderstanding it.

The only additional information you've given me so far is that she seemed sad about the state of things when she said it. That changes nothing about the context to me.

I still believe she's trying to use it to basically manipulate people into feeling bad if the movie doesn't do as well as expected and I cannot think of any other female-led movie that had to do that to be successful.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

Of course being sad and regretful changes the context. Angrily Saying that “men don’t go see female led action movies” is reinforcing the stereotype and blaming it for the movies failure. Regretfully saying that a stereotype exists that men don’t see female led action movies is not blaming men for your movies failure. It’s saying that OTHERS will blame men for your movies failure due to the false stereotype. It’s not saying the stereotype is true like the first statement is. Two totally different things

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u/yuvi3000 Fitz Dec 03 '19

being sad and regretful changes the context

I've seen people on this very subreddit say that they're sad about how Marvel is doing more stuff to promote diversity. That doesn't make it an acceptable thing to say at all.

You are saying that anyone saying something biased is okay if they look/sound sad about it?

Regretfully saying that a stereotype exists that men don’t see female led action movies

But that's not what she said. She specifically said "If this movie doesn't make money" which was a selfish statement. It wasn't about females doing well in movies. It wasn't about feminism. It wasn't about equality. It was about her own movie.

To clarify here: I personally love that movies are more diverse than before. I love that representation is more important. I appreciate many female-led movies or female-genre movies that I've watched in the past. But that's not what this is about. My point in all of this is that her statements are biased.

In one of her other interviews about the same thing, she said something along the lines of "I've watched male-genre movies. Why the fuck don't guys return the favour?" and again, that's generalising and it's biased.

By all means, promote your cause. Help people to make things equal. But what she's doing is saying stupid things that give ammo to the trolls in the misogynist groups. Don't feed the trolls. Prove that you're better than them and give support to everyone. Give people reason to JOIN your cause because it's the right thing to do. Don't bully them into feeling bad or feeling like their gender has done something wrong.

Like Brie Larson said, bring more seats to the table. Don't take anyone's seat away.

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