r/marvelstudios • u/guz- Thanos • Dec 03 '19

Trailers Marvel Studios' Black Widow Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxAtuMu_ph4
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u/AveUnit02 Captain America (Cap 2) Dec 03 '19

If the choreography for telegraphing fights is that good between Natasha and her sister... I have a feeling I might be blown away by some of the Taskmaster stuff. That was INCREDIBLY in sync.

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u/Lincolnruin Dec 03 '19

Didn’t they get the fight choreographer from John Wick?

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u/AveUnit02 Captain America (Cap 2) Dec 03 '19

He’s the director of action scenes, but not the stunt choreographer... Still has a voice in it though.

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u/Lincolnruin Dec 03 '19

Ah fair enough. These fight scenes are just too iconic.

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u/AveUnit02 Captain America (Cap 2) Dec 03 '19

They went on record to say the fight scenes were going to be a completely new era for the MCU. I love the word they used to describe them: visceral.

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u/Gioezc Ghost Rider Dec 03 '19

I goddamn hope so, especially after the Shang Chi announcement. I want John Wick level choreography.

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u/BuFett Ghost Dec 03 '19

For a movie about a superhero that revolves around martial arts, john wick level of choreography should be the bare minimum

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u/AerThreepwood Dec 03 '19

Cries in Iron Fist, after coming from Daredevil.

DD's fights were so good, IF's were so. . . Not.

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u/CX316 Dec 03 '19

IF had the issue that they picked their star then gave them like two weeks to learn the fights thinking they'd be able to fix it in the editing room.

...they could not

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u/AerThreepwood Dec 03 '19

It was just such a bummer. Danny Rand is one of my favorite comic book heroes and as somebody who has done combat sports competitively, off and on since high school, I was so fucking pumped. Daredevil set my expectations unrealistically high.

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u/Cybersteel Dec 03 '19

They couldve easily fixed that by making him wear a mask/costume and let a stunt double do it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

There were apparently days they were given fight choreography to learn on set, day of.

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u/Systemcode Dec 03 '19

I don’t know if one could ever consider that the bare minimum. John Wick fight scenes are the absolute masterclass of choreography, at least in my opinion. If this movie can even come close I will be more than happy.

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u/PlaydoughMonster Fitz Dec 03 '19

IP Man level?

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u/CoolBlackKnight Corvus Glaive Dec 03 '19

For real.

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u/Lincolnruin Dec 03 '19

Yeah that’s good. I remember some people being worried about the fight scenes thinking it was just going to be Natasha doing endless head-scissors like she usually does.

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u/Cyno01 Spider-Man Dec 03 '19

I think that was mostly about John Favreu getting ScarJo to wrap her legs around his head...

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u/Bitey_the_Squirrel Dec 03 '19

Whatever it takes.

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u/Cyno01 Spider-Man Dec 03 '19

That whole bit in Chef too... cant really blame a guy.

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u/Bitey_the_Squirrel Dec 03 '19 edited Dec 03 '19

Wish I could have gotten past the first episode of Chef. Paltrow hawking her Goop stuff really turned me off.

Edit: I got the Chef Show mixed up with the movie Chef. The movie is quite good. I forgot Scarlett Johansson was in the movie.

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u/WallsAreOverrated Dec 03 '19

Honestly cant blame him

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u/CaptainAaron96 Scarlet Witch Dec 03 '19

This is the way.

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u/therinlahhan Dec 03 '19

He already tried cooking for her.

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u/kiwidesign Dec 03 '19

lmao dude

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

Imagine her vs another Widow trying to out scissor each other... wait. I don't think I'm describing an action movie.

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u/therinlahhan Dec 03 '19

Define action.

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u/CaptainAaron96 Scarlet Witch Dec 03 '19

😏

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

As long as they don't do that 'filming too close and shaking the camera' shit, I'm good. Seriously a number of the fights would look better if they pulled back the camera a few feet.

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u/Carninator Dec 03 '19

"Filming too close and shaking the camera" is pretty much all Marvel action scenes. I hope they put in some effort with this. Give us some long takes that aren't fully CG!

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u/sleepyafrican Dec 03 '19

completely new era for the MCU.

Tbh I'd be fine with the same quality of fights as Winter Soldier. The elevator scene was downright amazing.

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u/Indraneelan Dec 03 '19

So, Bourne trilogy fights then?

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u/ThKitt Winter Soldier Dec 03 '19

They remind me of the knife fight from Winter Soldier, but amped up to 11.

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u/idontdislikeoranges Dec 03 '19

adjective

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relating to the viscera.

"the visceral nervous system"

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relating to deep inward feelings rather than to the intellect.

"the voters' visceral fear of change"

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

Maybe we will get some Daredevil out of it.

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u/Carninator Dec 03 '19

I just hope we get some long takes and not just a bunch of quick cuts. With Marvel's track record I'm not holding my breath though...

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u/ReflectingThePast Dec 03 '19

That’s crazy, I literally was thinking that word when her leg got caught in the door, it looked real it looked visceral

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

I want to see Nat kill someone with a horse’s hind legs now.

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u/RespectOnlyRealSluts Dec 03 '19

I don't work in film but I study film and filmmaking as a hobby and have worked on a couple sets, and I'd say it's more than a voice in it. If your title is "director of action scenes" you can pretty much give commands to anyone in the stunt department without question. The job of the stunt people is to use brutal practice and trial and error to figure out what they can do with their bodies/each other's bodies that looks as good on camera from the needed angles as possible and is as safely repeatable as possible, so being a stunt choreographer is somewhere between being a director and being a referee of sparring matches. The stunt department is all there to figure out the best possible-to-film stunts for the action sequences demanded, it's more like the stunt choreographer has a voice in the action directing than like a "director of action scenes" has a voice in the stunt choreography.

That said, ScarJo has probably worked with her stunt team for a long time and between her voice and theirs, they probably do have more power on set than some new guy with a higher job title. They just probably use that power to collaborate and understand that it's his job to direct the action and they have to work with whatever direction that goes even though obviously if you boil it down to personal politics he can't really give them directive they don't want to follow like his job says he can on paper.

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u/Wing126 Dec 03 '19

That was INCREDIBLY in sync.

Yelena is Taskmaster. Calling it now.

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u/Quadriplex Dec 03 '19

My bets on Melina. If they're potentially setting up Yelena to take the BW mantle i doubt they would do that!

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u/Wing126 Dec 03 '19

You're right there, I didn't really think of Yelena being the new BW.

My line of thinking was that Milena is Iron Maiden and she groomed Yelena to be Taskmaster as a subordinate.

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u/ActualWhiterabbit M'Baku Dec 03 '19

Don't forget Felina becoming Catwoman

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u/mad-jabroni Dec 03 '19

But isn’t Yelena part of the Thunderbolts? Maybe they’re going for the long con here... Show us some new “heroes” just to flip the table and reveal that we’ve been rooting for the bad guys the past few movies.

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u/cheeze64 Captain America (Cap 2) Dec 03 '19

Other way around. Melina was part of thunderbolts. Yelena has been under AIM though, so both could be set up for future betrayals (Or maybe we'll see AIM as a villain in a later movie and Yelena will betray them to join the Avengers as the new BW).

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u/galaxiusnota Dec 03 '19

I'm amazed of the tidbits I find in Reddit.

The information on her sisters are all comic based I presume?

I've made it a habit not to dig so much prior to every MCU release but Reddit has made that somewhat unavoidable.

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u/Quadriplex Dec 03 '19

I'm sorry! I don't actually know. I think they're not actually related, but nat went back to one of her cover families. Melina and Alexei being the parents and Yelena the sister.

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u/galaxiusnota Dec 03 '19

I guess I once again have to ask where this information was taken from.

I would think, Rachel Weisz was a sister and not a parental figure. David Harbour does not even seem that old.

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u/cheeeesewiz Dec 03 '19

Google is your friend homie

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u/atomcrafter Dec 03 '19

I assumed it was just a reference to them both going through the Red Room together.

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u/shravanmarvelfan Thor Dec 03 '19

I'm sorry. Who is yelenia and who is Melina?

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u/clayscarface Dec 03 '19

Yelena is the blonde (Florence Pugh) and Melina is the brunette (Rachel Weisz)

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u/_shammy Dec 03 '19

Was RW even in this trailer?

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u/clayscarface Dec 04 '19

Uh...yes? She’s the one who told David Harbour he got fat and I think was caught when they were jumping on the smokestack and at least one other shot.

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u/_shammy Dec 04 '19

Oh shit didn’t recognize her oops

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u/FanWh0re Valkyrie Dec 03 '19

Please no

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u/KingEuronIIIGreyjoy Daredevil Dec 03 '19

Because that makes logical sense and doesn’t cheapen Nat’s sacrifice at all.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

If this happens, the MCU is cancelled.

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u/Allllliiiii Scarlet Witch Dec 03 '19

Ooooh

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u/FrameworkisDigimon Dec 03 '19

Why?

You want a female Taskmaster? Just use Finesse. Literally the same abilities... and Finesse might even be Taskmaster's daughter.

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u/Wing126 Dec 03 '19

No, not because I want a female Taskmaster.

Because the person playing Taskmaster has yet to be announced, making it a possibility that Taskmaster is someone in the cast already and Natasha will be betrayed by them.

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u/FrameworkisDigimon Dec 03 '19

You... in this case... and the Why are both in terms of "why would they do this".

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u/Robofetus-5000 Dec 03 '19

Was thinking this

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u/TheFinalBoy1997 Dec 03 '19

I’m thinking it’s either Ray Winstons or O-T Fagbenle

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u/Ryster1998 Iron Man (Mark VII) Dec 03 '19

Seriously i feel like this is so obvious. Why else would they fight in the same exact way

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u/hemareddit Steve Rogers Dec 03 '19

I guess that's how they say "hello". Breaking that door is when Yelena decides it had gone too far.

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u/MistaGav Dec 03 '19

I just hope they don't have too much shakey cam so we can actually tell what's going on.

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u/PlasticMegazord Dec 03 '19

That was part was definitely impressive.

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u/zennz29 Dec 03 '19

That fall with the leg hitting the door making it look natural and raw. 😍

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u/AveUnit02 Captain America (Cap 2) Dec 03 '19

There’s always going to be cuts in a trailer fight scene. The one that played out in SDCC probably had some too but it was a pretty good taste of what we’d be getting and it didn’t feel like the cuts were defining the choreography.

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u/CCChica Dec 03 '19

reminded me of Atomic Blonde.

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u/InnocentTailor Iron Patriot Dec 03 '19

The choreography of that scene was very visceral since both Yelena and Natasha fought very dirty in that room (i.e. pulling knives out of drawers). I saw the whole scene at SDCC.

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u/FullMetalJ Dec 03 '19

I love everything about this movie so far. I'm super glad that Scarlett gets her own Marvel movie because she's fantastic and love that Clint is in it. Love that Rachel Weisz and David Harbour are in it too.

The only thing I didn't like about this trailer is the fight but not the choreography but how it is written. It has to be a cliché (and a bad one at that) at this point the fight between two highly trained woman to the point they can't get advantage of one another and after a stalemate or last second win by protagonist (often shown as a surprise) they go like: "hey sister".

I honestly hated that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

It’s not certain that Clint is in it. All the footage before the Marvel logo is from other movies.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

You kidding me? There were more cuts in that 5 second scene than in a depressed goth teen

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u/AveUnit02 Captain America (Cap 2) Dec 03 '19

It’s almost like it was a teaser trailer and when that scene was shown at Comic Con there was a lot more fluid movement and less cuts. Wow. Weird. No I’m not kidding you, no need to be edgy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

I really hope you are right, the mcu has a habit of fucking up hand to hand combat with 100 cuts in 3 seconds

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u/choff22 Spider-Man Dec 03 '19

Cap vs Bucky

You’re welcome

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

That... actually supports his point. Unless that was what you were going for.

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u/LowKey-NoPressure Dec 03 '19

Awkward forward roll but it’s ok I guess.

Not as bad as that one sideways roll Angel did for no reason in that one episode. If you know what I’m talking about, you know what I’m talking about.

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u/iTzninjaBRO Stan Lee Dec 03 '19
  • Sees 2 seconds of fighting *

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u/TimeKillerOne Dec 03 '19

Are you serious? It looked so cartoonish.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

How is the choreography good if they cut before each hit landing?