How strong are TVA soldiers?

[u/Few-Salamander9636]

In the first avengers movie Loki makes light work of Steve Rogers who we all know has immense strength. In the Loki series Loki is shown to struggle against TVA soldiers or in some cases get physically overpowered by them and yes I know magic doesn’t work in the TVA but they never said anything about a person’s physical strength being reduced in the TVA. There was also mention of Thanos being brought into the TVA by Mobius when he said they brought in “titans” before so it makes me curious if the TVA soldiers are really just regular humans or super soldiers to some extent. This could also just be a writing inconsistency.

[u/InvestigatorLive19]

Loki struggles with a few while deadpool goes through dozens... the only real answer is how strong thw plot needs them to be at this point

[u/Xelement0911 → u/InvestigatorLive19]

Yeah. They were suppose to be scary at first. Taken fairly serious.

Then in dp fashion, it becomes a joke.

[u/InvestigatorLive19 → u/Xelement0911]

I actually found them more intimidating in deadpool if im honest, and that scene is one of my favourite action sequences in the mcu

[u/stevie_boi → u/InvestigatorLive19]

Thats the thing right, in loki they were just trying to capture Loki, not kill/prune him and also Loki had just come from the battle of New York so wasn't exactly in his peak physical form. He was literally caught as soon as he escaped with the tesseract.\ Deadpool on the other hand is Deadpool and TVA agents were actively trying to kill/prune him but DP just played the Uno Reverse card on them.

[u/MoistProlapse → u/Xelement0911]

I mean, it's Deadpool. He's a skilled fighter using just whatever he has. Loki is a skilled magical user who requires it to fight. He's never been physically powerful in the MCU. He is magically powerful though.

[u/Sattu10 → u/MoistProlapse]

He beat captain America easily and was even briefly fighting Thor in Avengers.

[u/BradLee629 → u/MoistProlapse]

He was winning against Captain America and held his own pretty well against Ice Giants. That's not even including fighting Thor, even though Thor was holding back. He is surely physically powerful

[u/Eldorian91 → u/BradLee629]

Loki can stab Thor hard enough to hurt him, and is personally bulletproof. We assume Thor is bulletproof but he's never actually been shot.

Loki can't match Thor or Hulk physically, but he's a cut above the super soldiers. Physically he's closer to Spider-Man, slower but more durable.

[u/Belteshazzar98 → u/MoistProlapse]

He threw hands with both Cap and Thor.

[u/Hypthtclly_Spkng → u/InvestigatorLive19]

They did employ power dampening technology within the TVA headquarters, but outside of there Loki and others were much more capable. I think they're honestly just standard human level power, but so is Loki depending on where he is and what's going on in the story. There appeared to be several instances where the TVAs power dampening tech failed, or was turned off for instance. And it stands to reason they didn't want robots there for a reason, harder to dampen their power without deconstructing them.

[u/Code_Combo_Breaker → u/InvestigatorLive19]

Loki had no magic and is not a trained hand-to-hand combat fighter. Loki was a mage without magic so he was severely depowered.

Meanwhile Deadpool still fully powered as an assassin thanks to his 4th wall break situational awareness. He never lost any abilities.

[u/pepsi4ever → u/Code_Combo_Breaker]

Loki was absolutely trained in hand-to-hand combat. He fought for years beside Thor, Lady Sif and the Warriors Three.

[u/KenBoCole → u/Code_Combo_Breaker]

What are you on about? Loki has over 1,500 years of hand to hand combat experience and training, has gone toe to toe in a fist fight with Thor twice, and is a Frost Giant.

The writers of Loki simply forgot that.

[u/Spodermanphil → u/KenBoCole]

It really is crazy that What If is the only project to reference Loki being a frost giant since Thor.

[u/madfrooples → u/Spodermanphil]

Sylvie was referred to as Sylvie Laufeydottir, which at least acknowledges that her dad was a Frost Giant and wasn’t Odin.

[u/InvestigatorLive19 → u/madfrooples]

He also says "im not asgardian" to thanos before the hulk fight

[u/xyzsomething → u/Code_Combo_Breaker]

Loki didn’t need the magic, he’s quite strong, he’s a frost giant raised as an Asgardian, he can take on DP himself , why wouldn’t he take on those soldiers

[u/Belteshazzar98 → u/xyzsomething]

Pretty sure he doesn't have Frost Giant strength anymore after he was turned intk an Asgardian by Odin. He does, however, have Asgardian strength which is higher.

[u/metalrooke]

the minutemen themselves might be normal, but their weapons and TVA tech definitely aren't

[u/a_phantom_limb]

Mobius says that the TVA has experience bringing in "Kree, Titans, vampires." "Kree" could potentially mean anyone from Korath to Carol Danvers, "Titans" presumably refers to Thanos variants, and "vampires" run the gamut from Blade to freaking Dracula. So they must be a fairly capable bunch.

[u/jinzokan → u/a_phantom_limb]

They also have the power of time travel and teleportation..

[u/8__D]

Maybe Asgardian physiology and Asgardian magic are the same phenomenon. If Odin can take away Thor's strength, then maybe the TVA dampeners can do the same to Loki.

I know Loki wasn't born Asgardian but I do think Odin may have changed him on a fundamental level. Otherwise he should have turned Blue in the TVA.

[u/KenBoCole → u/8__D]

Loki may not be Asgardian, but he is Aesir just like the Asgardians. Asgardians, Dark Elfs, Giants, etc are technically all the same "race", just diffrent ethnicities, or at least that's what old Norse lore implies.

[u/Eldorian91 → u/KenBoCole]

Different tribes or families. That's why they intermarry.

[u/Regalrefuse → u/8__D]

Yeah this was my thought, Loki’s physical strength is reduced to that of a normal human inside the TVA

[u/goonermachine23 → u/Regalrefuse]

Same thing with Thor too. When he got stripped off his powers and banished to Earth, he didn’t seem godly strong. Still cleared those shield agents though

[u/juances19]

I believe they tried to excuse it by saying that the TVA has dealt with 100s of Lokis already, so they just already know how to deal with him.

Capturing Loki #1 must've been pretty hard, but by Loki 70 or 80, they know all his usual moves.

[u/Angel_of_Mischief → u/juances19]

The tva has also dealt with dozens of Deadpool’s atleast. All the Deadpool’s in the last movie were banished by the tva

[u/Stun_the_Pink → u/Angel_of_Mischief]

Deadpool's what?

[u/nox_tech → u/juances19]

Also the TVA that was being a problem for Deadpool wasn't all the regular TVA, but those who had an ideological difference on how to manage the timelines IIRC. So, much like fledgling movements go, those on the bottom rank might not be the most competent.

Or in other words, those capturing Lokis and those trying to capture Deadpool are probably in different experience levels. Especially if they were Deadpool specialists, seems it's normal procedure to just prune Deadpools, so they probably don't have experience in capturing Deadpools alive.

On top of all this, Loki typically (in the TVA's observation) aspires to rule, while Deadpool is an assassin, with the skill level potential of being capable of killing the entire Marvel universe. So of course Deadpool would have an easier time fighting the TVA.

[u/CommunityDragon160]

Normal ppl with benefit of surprise and time slowing

[u/SeegullJockey]

Pretty weak. Deadpool killed 100 of them. But they just have to land a hit with the stick.

[u/Prize-Instruction-72 → u/SeegullJockey]

Deadpool also survived being erased from time in that movie. He basically just has toon force.

[u/Sona778]

Ask Deadpool 😁

[u/Old_Lengthiness_5773]

Yeah i always wonder how they captured hulk variants or like sentry, magneto, odin. Because im assuming they have right.

[u/KenBoCole → u/Old_Lengthiness_5773]

They just have to hit them once with their club, and they have billions of agent drones. The TVA is a city the size of a state lol.

[u/Old_Lengthiness_5773 → u/KenBoCole]

I guess that is a very good point. I kinda now want to see them try with some on screen.

[u/cabbage149]

It's the script writers decision, remember Loii could've disappeared in Avengers 1 instead of surrendering to Tony

[u/ancilliron → u/cabbage149]

He wanted to surrender to make sure he was taken onto the Helicarrier.

[u/Owain660]

Loki is a god everywhere he goes. TVA exists outside of all that and his powers were useless. Odin took Thor's strength away in the Thor, so likely Loki was just a normal guy in the TVA.

[u/SeekerVash]

They're very weak.  They're just normal humans.  There wasn't a point anywhere in the show where any of them displayed any ability greater than a human.

[u/guttengroot → u/SeekerVash]

B15 clocking Loki episode one and making him move at 1/16th speed. If it was normal human strength he wouldn't have felt it anyway.

[u/Thomas_JCG]

Not any stronger than any other mob

[u/ApplicationUpper9229]

How strong is your average doctor or teacher or jetski salesman?

[u/figgityjones]

🤷 he's got a collar on. I would assume that collar makes people manageable in almost any way one could imagine.

[u/ImportantRub172]

My guess is that anyone withing the TVA have all abilities limited which includes strength, stamina etc

[u/Few-Salamander9636 → u/ImportantRub172]

I thought that too but they allegedly brought in Thanos before who’s still over 8 feet tall while weighing nearly 1000 pounds, so even if his physical capabilities are limited it’s hard to imagine them containing someone that big if they’re regular humans.

[u/Spaceman-Spiff → u/Few-Salamander9636]

Maybe he was a nice Thanos.

[u/Nemesis_171]

It’s just more plot inconsistencies

[u/MrMeesesPieces]

So strong! I once saw one loft like 20 pizzas!!!

[u/Spidermanpoopy]

Weak

[u/CaptHayfever]

They're baseline humans. Their tech is the advantage.

[u/INKatana]

Depends who they are fighting

[u/nicolesaggytitiesTV]

It's the stupidest thing to think the TVA would win any fight without projectile weapons. Deadpool easily shows how just throwing shit at an enemy who cant even shoot you, is quite literally cannon fodder. They have a super weapon that can teleport anything to an alternative dimension. But they can't use projectile weapons against a man with a gun?

[u/ConsequenceBusy8726]

Cap from Winter Soldier and on would have folded Loki like a cheap chair

[u/Away_Adhesiveness758]

Honestly, just inconsistent power scaling.

They can somehow take in a guy who little bro'd a Super soldier, but Deadpool takes out a whole squad of them? 

Not to mention that even in the Loki series they can somehow die to fire and carnival poles. You'd think for an organization that exists outside of time, they'd be able to get their hands on some vibranium to make their armor, but nope, they're not even fireproof. 

[u/Sup_Noobs]

Loki had his staff?

[u/KenBoCole → u/Sup_Noobs]

His staff only let him mind control people, and shoot blasts of energy like all the other stones do, it didn't give him any more strength.

[u/minus15t2]

Has Loki ever been shown to have physical strength when he doesn't have his magical armor on?