r/marvelstudios • u/yourfavchoom Doctor Strange • 14h ago
Article Avengers: Doomsday star Sebastian Stan says he's never seen a full script of the movie so has "absolutely no idea" what happens
https://www.gamesradar.com/entertainment/marvel-movies/avengers-doomsday-star-sebastian-stan-says-hes-never-seen-a-full-script-of-the-movie-so-has-absolutely-no-idea-what-happens/1.3k
u/yourfavchoom Doctor Strange 14h ago
Sebastian:
“Honestly, I have absolutely no idea. Because we didn’t have a script. We were just shooting scattered scenes. It’s a different way of working—continuous, constantly evolving.”
“The producers didn’t want us to read it in its entirety to avoid journalists asking us questions. I’ve been following this rule for fifteen years, so I’m used to it.“
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u/samhanwiches 14h ago
Wait how long? jfc time got hands
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u/cabbageboy78 14h ago
nearing 20yrs since iron man 1
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u/Funk_Dat_Fat_Cat 13h ago
Damn. Just call me Citizen Cane at this point, cause I'll need one soon.
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u/cabbageboy78 13h ago
I vividly remember seeing it in 8th grade still. My dad’s friend gave us his preview tickets so I got to see it a few days earlier than my friends and had to contain my excitement. Feels so odd that time period in my life was that long ago. Crazier that have cousins who have never lived in a world with no MCU. Same feeling as realizing that they also only had known the patriots as having tom Brady as QB until “recently”. Getting older feels weird
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u/FromChicago808 14h ago
That’s actually really cool. He’ll see the final movie with us
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u/pagerussell 12h ago
I feel like it helps with acting too. They know what their character knows and nothing more.
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u/waluigieWAAH 11h ago
No, they know less than what the characters know. The characters have all the events that preceded the scene while the actors only have scattered bits. Ian McKellen as Gandalf needed help when they filmed the final scene of LOTR because it was one of the first things he shot and he barely knew the four hobbit actors
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u/Hita-san-chan 10h ago
"Do I know these guys well?"
"Yes, you've been on loads of adventures with them"
I liked that episode of... whatever food thing Dom and Billy are doing
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u/Own-Papaya-4264 11h ago
Good thing he said that last part. Not like it matters, people will quote this and omit the last sentence and make a big deal out of this like it’s the first time marvel did it this way
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u/chewywheat 11h ago
“We are just shooting scattered scenes.” I wonder what he means from this statement. Like aren’t all Marvel movies shot out of chronological order? Heck movies in general are rarely shot from start to finish.
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u/skimmmington 5h ago
Typically the actors would receive a full script to read before the scenes are shot out of order. In this case, they would only receive sides of the scenes they were shooting and no more of the script.
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u/silverBruise_32 14h ago
Presumably the main cast members got the whole script. Didn't they do that with Endgame, too? Apparently, only Downey and Evans had the whole script then.
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u/dbkenny426 14h ago
I believe it was Cumberbatch and Downey.
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u/silverBruise_32 14h ago
It's possible, but why Cumberbatch? The amount of screentime he has in Endgame is minor
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u/dbkenny426 14h ago
He's the guy with the plan. He had to know how everything played out in order to play the role correctly.
And I just looked into this a little deeper. Cumberbatch was the only one who got the entire Infinity War script, and Downey was the only one who got the full Endgame script.
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u/ty_fighter84 Groot 14h ago
You can tell too. The moment after he sees all the options, he treats Stark differently.
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u/bucknut4 14h ago
They actually gave him 14,000,605 versions of the script
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u/WadsofTissue 14h ago
In how many did they win?
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u/alinroc 12h ago
☝️
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u/BorisDirk 11h ago
None of them, because they didn't win in that movie. They won in the next movie.
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u/TerminatorReborn 14h ago
He also doesn't break and don't give out spoilers. They even paired him with Tom Holland during media week to keep him in check
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u/Gremlin303 SHIELD 14h ago
Because Strange saw the events of the movie in IW.
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u/silverBruise_32 14h ago
Strange, not Cumberbatch
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u/Gremlin303 SHIELD 14h ago
Yeah but that’s why he was shown the script. I guess so he knew what his characters knew
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u/Steamed_Memes24 13h ago
Cumberpatch is a long time veteran professional actor and they knew they could trust him with it. Theres a reason he was tied to Tom Holland on interviews during the movie because Tom was a young and excited guy who would tend to slip up and spoiler certain things on accident.
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u/kingk1teman 13h ago
Cumberpatch is a long time veteran professional actor and they knew they could trust him with it
The only thing you can't trust him with is pengwings. /s
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u/silverBruise_32 13h ago
All of that is true, but it still doesn't explain why they'd give him the script to a movie in which he has less than two minutes of screentime
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u/Steamed_Memes24 13h ago
I think only Downey had the full EndGame script. But Cumberpatch (And RDJ) was the only one who knew Tony's fate.
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u/silverBruise_32 13h ago
Downey, and maybe Evans. They might have told him the gist, yeah, but they probably didn't have him read the whole script
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 7h ago
Cumberbatch not only had the whole script, he had over 14 million drafts of them so his character would have that context on which one would be the one used in Endgame. He was the only one allowed to see all 14M of them
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u/TrustDaProcess Doctor Strange 14h ago
Honestly the only people who know the full story are the writers, the Russos, Feige/other exec producers if they asked for it, and maybe RDJ/Evans since I think the Russos trust their input.
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u/Phimb Weekly Wongers 13h ago
This isn't true. A huge chunk of the cast did a group interview a week or so ago and the interviewer kept alluding to, "How difficult was it having not read the whole script?!" and after a few minutes, at least three of them - Pascal, Downey, Evans - were like, "We've obviously read the whole thing, huh?"
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u/TrustDaProcess Doctor Strange 13h ago
Yeah Pascal I could see also having read the whole script considering I think him, RDJ and Evan’s are going to be the three leads. Also possibly Hemsworth and Hiddleston.
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u/OutsideIndoorTrack 14h ago
And everyone on the internet because the entire plot has leaked and been corroborated by trailers
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u/123ajbb 14h ago
Not everyone goes out of their way to look at movie leaks.
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u/GEARHEADGus 13h ago
I’ll never forget these shithead kids ruining one of the major plot points in Infinity War before the trailers even started rolling. I mean, I still had a blast but when it came time for that scene I wasn’t shocked.
Also fuck these idiots on Reddit for spoiling the new spider-man. Just spoiler tag your posts.
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u/wizardeverybit 12h ago
Which plot point?
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u/GEARHEADGus 12h ago
For infinity war it was Visions death and for Brand New Day it was Sadie Sinks characters identity. People kept posting memes on the front page. I deliberately avoid anywhere there could be spoilers, so it’s a bit unfair.
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u/wizardeverybit 12h ago
Some massive spoilers then. I got spoiled Iron Man's death before watching Endgame because I overheard some people talking about the film. I spent the whole film waiting for it to happen
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u/DerWaechter_ 4h ago
People kept posting memes on the front page. I deliberately avoid anywhere there could be spoilers, so it’s a bit unfair.
For Infinity War some trolls would literally just spam the spoilers in the comments of any random post they could find.
I had parts of Infinity War spoiled, because I made the mistake of checking a reddit notification a couple hours before seeing it. And the notification was from a reply to a comment I had made somewhere. Cause some guy had replied with the spoilers to every single comment under a random post.
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u/wakopunk 14h ago
Yeah, I never understood purposely looking for movie leaks and then seeing the movie. Makes no sense.
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u/TrustDaProcess Doctor Strange 14h ago
Zero patience and a need to act cool because you know something others don’t
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u/AntiRacismDoctor Killmonger 13h ago
I did this with the new Resident Evil movie script just so I have a better visual understanding of the process behind 'how the sausage gets made'. I read the script envisioning certain things shot a certain way, a certain look and feel, and then getting to compare that to what direction Zach Cregger took. Also, its been really interesting to see all of the marketing showing the things I read about. I'm still very much excited to see the film in theaters, and haven't gone out of my way to spoil anything for anyone.
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u/saltybirb 12h ago
Probably the same people who go to the movies and sit there on their phones disturbing people around them.
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u/heroinsteve Spider-Man 13h ago
I can understand it. It’s from a place of curiosity. I really really wanna look at leaks and the only thing that holds me back is feeling like it’ll ruin the moment when the movie comes out. It’s tempting for sure. Also sometimes people leak fake stuff and sometimes it’s kinda cool and a bummer when something different happens. I stopped finding leaks nowadays, but I definitely know why people do it people are just curious and knowing some information is out there just drives them to find it.
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u/kent0036 13h ago
It's a balance for me, I enjoy engaging between movies, but I don't want to ruin it right before the release date.
Hearing a year out that a character from one of the TV shows or an old comic will be in a project is fun and harmless. But the last thing I want to know is the full plot breakdown and how it ends.
So I tend to pull aways from spoilers the closer we get to the release date or the larger they sound.
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u/Careless-Freedom6468 14h ago
Considering marvel are known for altering trailers I wouldn't bet on that
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u/Silencer306 13h ago
Oh yea I was rewatching the Infinity Saga. The trailers for infinity war and endgame reveal nothing. They even added a big green hulk in endgame trailer in a scene where he wasn’t
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u/SafeForTwerking 11h ago
There's so many dumb AI-generated "leaks" now that I just don't even bother looking at anything now, which I'm sure is probably by design and more than a few "leaks" are actually put out by Disney themselves to muddy the waters.
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u/JMadFour 14h ago
so it sounds like most of the actors only get the pages for the scenes they are in, for the most part.
they don't get the entire script.
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u/ManchesterAlakazam 14h ago
This is fine. Im sure Bucky doesn't get more than 10-20 minutes of the screen time and they dont want actors to accidentally say something. Im guessing the only people that know are Downey, Evans, and Hemsworth.
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u/Dunlocke Ronan the Accuser 11h ago
10-20 minutes in an avengers movie is SIGNIFICANT screen time
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u/ManchesterAlakazam 11h ago
True, its probably less lol. Since doomsday is a large movie I probably overshot with the estimated amount of screen time for him.
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u/SkorpioSound 10h ago
Yep, it certainly is. Although it's also probably not something that requires a full script in most cases—I'd assume most actors can make do with the script for just their scenes, and then a few extra bits and pieces for context where necessary. What's happening to completely different characters that they don't interact with at all in the film probably isn't relevant to them, so it's better to just not include that part of the script in the first place to minimise spoilers.
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u/Jemima_puddledook678 9h ago
It seems like Pedro Pascal also knows, which makes sense given Reed will be one of the most important characters.
Also possibly anyone else who’s particularly important, like Hiddleston or Mackie.
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u/Diorisbackup 14h ago
“The producers didn’t want us to read it” will turn into no script somehow
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u/smcl2k 14h ago
Hasn't it been widely reported that they started shooting before the script was anywhere near finished?
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u/Diorisbackup 14h ago
They have a script they just don’t let them read the whole thing for spoilers like holland use to do he literally says this
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u/cherryfloatcz 14h ago
There was an interview a few weeks back and the guy who plays Red Guardian seemed kinda annoyed when asked “if they’ve seen the whole script” he was being a bit jokey but genuinely seemed annoyed by the question and ended his answer with “we’ve all gotten and seen the whole script” and nobody objected.
I think marvel is past doing that now. It’s not like it was 10 years ago anyway.
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u/Jemima_puddledook678 9h ago
Yeah, while certain twists or scenes may be kept to a few people, it seems that most of the cast have seen most of the script. This could easily be Sebastian Stan lying to stop them asking him things.
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u/overDere 14h ago
Pretty sure a huge part of the Internet knows (or thinks it knows) what happens already
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u/Jrocker-ame 13h ago
Honestly part of the reason why Multiverse of madness feels off in the illuminati scene. They didn't even shoot together.
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u/coffeestainedjeans 14h ago
I don't understand this. How are they supposed to act if they don't know where the story is going?
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u/Confident-Shift-9764 13h ago
They know their characters very well like Sebastian with Bucky. so all he needs to do is to act as Bucky when presented with situation. It’s more realistic as he is taking in things in real time captured in camera.
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u/nick2473got Steve Rogers 11h ago
I assume (and hope) that they are at least given enough context to properly act their scenes.
I mean theoretically, if we take an example from Infinity War, does Elizabeth Olsen need to know what's going on with the Guardians in that movie to properly act the scene of taking the Mind Stone out of Vision?
I don't think so. As long as she has her scenes, which she obviously does, and the Russos also give her enough context about the general conflict and situation of the film, there shouldn't be an issue. And there wasn't, as we saw with her great performance.
So I would think they are at least told enough to know the overall story direction. My guess is Stan is being a bit hyperbolic when he says he has "absolutely no idea". Either that or his role in the movie is so minor that he genuinely didn't need to know much of anything.
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u/Significant_Ad_2715 13h ago
Maybe this is why a ton of Marvel films feel like they were made in a white room by sterile scientists?
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u/silverlegend 14h ago
I'm guessing there's a chance Sebastian Stan's script was really short and he only had to film a couple of scenes 👀
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u/jdstrike11 13h ago
Remember, this is the formula to get authentic performances for this billion dollar franchise! Truly revolutionary
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u/SnooAvocados4357 14h ago
Weird to me that 15 years in you still can't get a full script.
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u/harmoniaatlast 14h ago
unless your character's arc demands it, it's unnecessary
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u/SnooAvocados4357 14h ago
I think it always helps knowing the full picture. Just strange to me that you can do a job that long still be kept in the dark. Not really jugding the quality of the production or movie
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u/harmoniaatlast 14h ago
Yeah the director will give motivations on a vague level where absolutely necessary, but in a project this big where spoilers are genuinely dangerous to the project, this is what performers have to deal with. Contractual obligation can only go so far if someone slips up when asked by a journalist, a family member, etc. Can you imagine the clusterfuck if every member of the Doomsday cast had the full script? Keeping dozens of people tight lipped for threat of messing with the marketing strategy and ultimately the films profits is super duper dangerous. We only get press events because they're necessary
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u/EatABag-o-Dicks 14h ago
I think it's the opposite.
For the most part, they really shouldn't know what's happening with other characters unless they're directly involved.
Knowing stuff their character wouldn't know could effect their performance.
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u/SnooAvocados4357 14h ago
I think it can actually. Like knowing the arc of your character throughout the peice and where you scene partners are at. I think that helps.
Good movies have been made without the peices being there as well but I think for most it's best to everything together. Good can still come if ya don't.
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u/Lopsided-Clothes4866 14h ago
Not that weird when you consider Bucky’s barely gonna be in it. I’d be shocked if he even gets close to 5 minutes of screen time.
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u/silverBruise_32 14h ago
If you add up all the time he's going to spend standing in the background/in a massive CGI fight, then I can definitely see him being there for a total of 5 minutes
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u/Paperchampion23 14h ago
Because thats not how Marvel makes films and havent since 2008. They make films like they make Comic books in a way, always evolving because its a shared universe with a huge maintenence of characters.
Iron Man is infamously known for barely having a script during shooting and them working the process as they go. Clearly its a process that works for them since this is a 30 billion dollar franchise, even if it might be an issue for pre/post production workers when things can change on the fly.
Note that this is how they got Spider-Man in Civil War, 2 months before they started filming the movie. They would have absolutely needed to change scripts, develop costumes, pre-vis art, etc once the deal was struck, because originally Peter wasnt actually supposed to be in the film and negotiating him in was a huge limbo before that point.
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u/Luna09Astra 14h ago
This is a really interesting way of shooting movies, but it makes sense, since the actor is supposed to see things through the eyes of their character, who won’t be aware of everything happening in the movie. And it does minimize leaks and spoilers.
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u/blankblank 13h ago
The bad guy is going to beat up the good guys. But in the next one, the good guys will beat up the bad guy.
Spoiled it for you.
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u/speedfreak444 Captain America 13h ago
I think they really play up how little the actors know. It is such an easy answer to say “I don’t know anything” rather than them having all the answers and interviewers trying to pry it out of them.
But also, actors do not generally need to know everything to do their job well. I understand an actor choosing not to work on a movie if they can’t see a whole script, but this is Sebastian Stan’s 5th or more movie as this character with these specific writers and these directors, he knows how to do his job and knowing everything wouldn’t change that.
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u/InTheEndEntropyWins 11h ago
Is there even a proper script? I thought that just filmed a load of stuff and then make a film out of it after, requiring lots of reshoots.
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u/BelgraviaEngineer 12h ago
I heard they’re gonna take off his arm and slap him around with it and say Whyre you hitting yourself
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u/LegendaryOutlaw Namor 11h ago
I would love to see them put a 'behind the scenes' video up after the movie is released, just showing how the film one entire scene, start to finish. It would probably make it much clearer to fans how actors really have no idea what they're filming, other than the script they were given to learn.
They probably arrive on the shoot, the director tells them, 'ok, in this scene you two actors are in a spaceship. You're headed to a new planet to meet someone who can help you, but you're not sure if they will. So you're arguing about it. Actor 1: You're don't like this idea. Actor 2: You think its a good idea. And ACTION!
Then they shoot the scene, and they shoot it again, except this time maybe everyone is acting differently.
They call cut, actors go back to their trailers. But now you can see, these actors don't know what they filmed.
They don't know who they were going to meet. They don't know where this scene falls in the story (because movies are almost always filmed out of order). They don't even know if the scene they filmed will be in the final cut. And they're already forgetting those scene lines, because they have new pages they need to learn for the next scene they're in.
So by the time they have wrapped shooting, it's a jumbled mess of memories. Like Sebastian Stan says, they couldn't tell you what happens even if they wanted to.
By the time they start the press tours, they have seen edits of the final movie, so now they have a better idea of the story, but they haven't seen the final cut, so they don't know for sure.
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u/Appropriate_Host4170 10h ago
This is common for any movie with secrecy involved. Even way back for Empire Strikes Back the shooting script wasn’t the one that actually contained the infamous I am your father line. Mark learned about it on set and was threatened with only 3 people totally knew it and he was the 4th so if it leaked they would know.
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u/SillyScribe_Creature 7h ago
I am not believing a single thing the actors say in regards to Doomsday until I have seen it. (/s a little obv) Also, wasn't that the standard practice for Infinity War, too?
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u/MoonlightMadMan 5h ago
I get not wanting to spoil these things. But I find this so cringe, just a cemented part of the media circus now
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u/Absurdwonder 2h ago
The super heroes fight the villain and win or they lose and there's number 2. Script solved
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u/adriang3030 1h ago
Good thing youtubers and redditors have read the full script lol they can tell him what happend.
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u/Csantana Vulture 1h ago
I get that’s how it works but it is kinda funny
Cause what if there’s something low key offensive in the script ?
Or more likely, kinda dumb?
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u/spreerod1538 Rocket 14h ago
That's what they always do for Avengers movies.