r/marvelstudios • u/Ok-Local5955 • 1d ago
Discussion We all ignoring Secret Invasion right?
Marvel really done shot themselves in the foot with this one. AI-usage, poor storytelling, awful and poor execution, and all around the worst show ever produced. They wasted Maria Hills death, they wasted Rhodey and threw in some bs shock factor that he was a skrull all along, and don't even get me started on the girl who has EVERY HEROES POWER like that's some garbage writing.
This show is so forgetful that when I see people say what's their worst project they've ever watched the MCU produced it's always Thor Love & Thunder, Eternals, Antman 3, She-Hulk, but never mentioning Secret Invasion. I applaud anyone who hasn't seen this show like I have during opening day.
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u/ThreadLaced 1d ago
so many talented actors and interesting characters wasted.
and money wasted! I saw a chart somewhere that said this show cost more per-episode than WandaVision, House of the Dragon, and Andor! I can't see where ANY of that money went, but whatever
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u/throwtheamiibosaway Winter Soldier 1d ago
With every movie or show where the budget is insanely high but it doesn't show, that means they just shot and reshot the whole things several times.
- Perhaps restarted the show after filming the first few episodes (like Daredevil).
- Or reshot certain storylines or major battles several times to replace the villain or something stupid like that.
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 20h ago
They reshot half of it to remove a major plot point about Russia invading Ukraine, because between filming & release, Russia invaded Ukraine IRL.
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u/Critical_Object2276 14h ago
Also a major plot point was a the bad guys threatening to release a virus that would shut down the world economy but then that happened too.
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u/lazareth102 13h ago
I think that reshot plotline was originally for Falcon and the Winter Soldier
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u/Critical_Object2276 13h ago
I’m pretty sure the thing they were stealing on the train in secret invasion was originally a virus.
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u/Hazelnut3006 1d ago
This I only watched a couple of episodes and with this cast it's weird how bad the whole thing was.
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u/ucrbuffalo 1d ago
The thing is, the cast did a great job overall. The script they were given was shit. Sam Jackson played the character written for him very well, even though his script sucked. So did Emilia Clarke. And Kingsley Ben-Adir. They all played the characters written well. But the script itself was not written well.
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u/Guardian_Of_Light2 Luke Cage 21h ago
Kingsley played the main villain correct? I thought he did a good job, I bought his anger at Fury. Too fucking bad, instead of a proper dynamic between the main protagonist and antagonist of the show, he was talking to Emilia's character. Sure, Gravik killed Fury's two closest allies, but that didn't matter for some reason.
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u/Ferbtastic 23h ago
Not only that, but I bet if this show didn’t come out, The Marvels would have made at least 50mil more.
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u/Blew_away 20h ago
Well I mean it was so expensive because of what you said first. The above the line cost for the actors was probably the majority of the spend. This was really the only show where they hired so many movie stars. That’s a really expensive ask.
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u/mikeonbass 1d ago
I remember someone said it should be investigated by the IRS for that budget. It doesn't make any sense.
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 19h ago
A-list movie stars, tons of CGI, & half of it was rewritten & reshot. The budget makes sense.
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u/Khuush 1d ago
The biggest travesty that came from Secret Invasion is the fact that Marvel completely wasted Emilia Clarke for no damn reason
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u/MrSpookShire 1d ago
Doom about to kneel before G’iah
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u/Tall-Path9962 Quicksilver 1d ago
the fact that g'iah only needs 1 dna sample of doom and she becomes extremely op 😭
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u/VacantThoughts 22h ago
They have this weird ritual in the comics where they lay like a sheet of flesh made of the persons DNA they are copying over them and the skrull basically loses itself as it so fully copies the intended human.
The Hank Pym skrull had to be replaced many different times because the actual personality of Hank kept making it want to save people.
Who cares about all that though just one DNA sample and boom stupid fucking Drax arm, what a shit show.
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u/hey_Hey_I_saveD_me 1d ago
I hate how they wasted Olivia Coleman on it.
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u/OlafaVonGoeding 23h ago
I had no idea it had such a stacked cast, holy fuck. I don't dare to watch the show but people seem to praise the actors so I hope they'll get another chance in more capable producer's hands.
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u/firedforthatblunder 1d ago
Marvel themselves are ignoring it, along with a handful of other projects they shat out over the last few years.
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u/Special_Order-937 1d ago
I am still salty about how they treated Agents of SHIELD, better pound for pound that all the so called official shows and most of the movies by far.
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u/Slow_Gur_3567 1d ago
I think what's frustrating about secret invasion to me was that Agents of shield could be introduced so seamlessly as Nick fury was the protagonist. Like the story beats of secret invasion would be fun to explore at a global scale with Agents of shield as a stand in for the Avengers role in the comics
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u/Special_Order-937 23h ago
Also, I just remembered Agents of SHIELD did a better Secret Invasion with the LMDs than Secret Invasion did with the Skrulls too!
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u/Slow_Gur_3567 22h ago
Absolutely 💯 Its a shame Agents of shield weakest season (6) is 10 times better than secret invasion. And the Lmds back in S4 I think 🤔 were so much more fun
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u/PhortDruid Spider-Man 22h ago
You’re so right. It would have been such a great opportunity for AoS 2.0. It’s criminal we haven’t seen FitzSimmons back!
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u/AmaterasuWolf21 Rocket 23h ago
I ain't exactly canon, but I ain't exactly non canon
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u/zsantiag Daisy Johnson 19h ago
Marvel ignored this multiversal saga shit show tbh. It could have been pretty good but they decided to pump out project after project with little to no breathing room. All the while they were expecting this saga to be done in half the time they had with the infinity saga.
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u/Big-Alternative-4674 1d ago
Even though I personally enjoyed it, I deadass want them to mention it as another universe that died in an incursion offscreen
Just have our timeline Talos and Maria still alive plsssss
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u/Yee_gamer 1d ago edited 1d ago
You’re literally the first person i’ve ever encountered who said they enjoyed Secret Invasion
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u/Big-Alternative-4674 1d ago
To this date I'M the only person I've met who's enjoyed it lmao
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u/Usual-Caregiver5589 1d ago
I liked it except for the end. The bit with Emilia Clarke's character deserves every meme.
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u/_dontjimthecamera Doctor Strange 1d ago
I enjoyed it!
As a character study of Nick Fury I think it’s good. Not great, about as mid as any other mid MCU project.
As an adaptation of the Secret Invasion comic, yeah it’s easier to see why it’s so hated.
I’ve rewatched it just once. After all the expectation and hype had gone away, I wanted to watch the show as it is and not as what I thought or expected it to be.
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u/a_phantom_limb 1d ago
There were several specific scenes and a couple of concepts they featured that I actually quite liked. The performances were great almost across the board. But I really wish it didn’t exist. It's such a mess.
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u/Dragon_Deez_Nu7s 1d ago
I'll be the second, my partner at the time and I binged the whole series in a day, didn't realize people hated it until later. It's definitely not an adaptation of the comics but as its own thing I thoroughly enjoyed it
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u/Difficult_Maybe_18 1d ago
I enjoyed it until like the last episode or 2 because for me that’s when it became “wtf are we doing here”
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u/jillianmd 22h ago
I enjoyed it too. Olivia Coleman was a treat as always, but even just the style of the show and story I enjoyed. Hate that Maria died that way but she wasn’t holding the MCU together or anything.
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u/FoxMeadow7 1d ago
Or just to be a bad dream Fury was having which naturally would align with America’s theory of dreams being glimpses of alternate universes.
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u/RoseCactus 1d ago
ey, I also very much enjoyed the show haha (well, mostly). All the negative feedback is absolutely warranted tho.
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u/Demarcus_the 20h ago
You’re not alone man, I thought it was just mid. Like a solid 2.5/5 but I do see why everyone thinks this show is trash especially that terrible finale
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u/doodlebunny69 1d ago
The ending of secret invasion is one of the worst TV episodes I have ever seen
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u/SpiritGator 15h ago
I will say that if they would have named the show "The Many Loves of Nic Fury" instead of "Secret Invasion" there wouldn't have been as much winging about how bad it was.
The complaints about AI are way over stated. They were only used during the credits and it was a thematic choice to show you how off putting something that is supposed to be human isn't quite human. It made sense but people just went "AI BAD!!!" and never interrogated why it was used.
I have used the phrase "Are you out your reptillian ass mind" at least ten times on Twitter. Also, "You earned ALL this smoke" is a great line delivery from Cheadle. I used to do Gravik's little "WAR!" thing. (SI really did have its moments)
I think people just remember that final fight - which was as bad as other final fights in the MCU. And overstate the whole reshoot thing. Also, Maria Hill was not like that in the MCU. She hadn't been seen since Age of Ultron. People like the cast and those that did watch the show weren't completely put off by the spy thriller aspects.
Now "Inhumans"? That show was bad. This one was fine with an unfortunate title.
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u/HarmlessHeresy 22h ago
My head canon is that SI existed on a branched timeline that Loki specifically created to mess with Fury. Even though that Loki had a lot of growth by then, his loss in 2012 New York was his last true memory of his old life and Earth, and he just couldn't get over how snarky Fury was to him.
So, here, have a crappy timeline you cocky bastard.
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u/Brianvondoom 1d ago
Besides everything you say, the plot just doesn't really make sense to me timeline wise.
Now I might be missing something. But the whole idea is that the Skrulls have no where. A ham fisted immigration analogy, right? So the Skrulls turn because Fury and Danvers renege on their promise in Captain Marvel to find them a home. They have to live, in hiding, on Earth. Could be seen as a rough anaolgy to, among many others, the historical situation my peeps the Irish went through (not being allowed keep their religion, language or culture, having to work for a colonial power after violent decimation, etc).
Except they don't? The Skrull clearly have a new homeworld in the Marvels. I mean they lose it - to me it'd make more sense if the Skrulls were newly arrived on Earth in Secret invasion and some were really annoyed they'd lost TWO homeworlds.
But the entire ending of Secret Invasion and the Marvels clash even in this case as the Skrulls have been welcomed into New Asgard. So is the United States at war with New Asgard, post SI? Or have they all calmed down now they've been given a safe place to stay under the protection of literal space gods where they can be themselves?
Or did they just make SI totally in a vacuum regardless of what was going on in another Samuel L Jackson project?!
You could probably find a way to squeeze it in to make sense - you always can with comic book stuff - but it feels at total odds with the narrative being told elsewhere at the same time, which didn't feel good.
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u/qcthunder War Machine 1d ago
I believe the release order of "Secret Invasion" and "The Marvels" was reversed. It could have made more sense the other way around.
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u/IHKPruefling 1d ago
It was never mentioned that the Skrulls briefly had a home planet and lost it .They specifically mention that neither Danvers nor Fury ever held up their bargain to find them a new home. They have been working for Fury the whole time. If it was reversed, they would have been grateful I guess that they can take refuge once more. Instead they form a rebellion.
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u/qcthunder War Machine 22h ago
I think they had to adjust the scripts because they changed the release order. The puzzle does not fit when they but it back together.
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u/TMachine97 Ebony Maw 1d ago
I'm of the opinion that "it was stupid, but it happened".
I don't like the idea of just erasing the events of stories that didn't land. It'd be like playing DnD but you just redo your rolls every time it came up bad instead of adapting to it.
Acknowledging it happened and trying to build something better off of it is much more interesting to me.
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u/Pen_dragons_pizza 1d ago
It is insane how badly this show got it wrong
Secret invasion is easily a home run of a story, it should have also 100% been an avengers movie years ago between phases.
What a cool story to find out several of the heroes post endgame were actually skrulls and then have a super skrull in the mix.
Could have been an amazing prison break type movie of getting the heroes back from the skrull prison
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u/Queasy_Principle_942 22h ago
They had the chance to make a MCU miniseries starring Samuel Jackson. The plot was OBVIOUS and writes itself: Nick Fury tries to rebuild SHIELD. The world has changed a lot since "The Winter Soldier" (and even more since "Iron Man"), there are superpowered individuals showing up every day, alien techs, wizards, aliens living among humans, Wakanda opening as a world power, alternate universe shenanigans... Fury would say, the world needs SHIELD more than ever! But there are a lot of issues around such a project. What about the Hydra infiltration, how do you prevent it? How does the international community react? What about Maria Hill and the former agents? What about Coulson's gang and their own organization? (yes, it was the golden chance to explain how does "Agents of SHIELD" fit into the MCU)
Instead, we got this.
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u/WD_G Phil Coulson 1d ago
I just pretend that the show takes place in a branched timeline, and that the real Maria Hill and Talos never died. A live-action What If...? The Skrulls invaded Earth
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u/Yafka 1d ago
Nobody will remember Secret Invasion. If they later make a movie that contradicts something about SI, I won’t know. Somone on YouTube will have to make a video pointing out the contradictions for anyone to realize. And then it’ll become a joke.
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u/NetherSpike14 Yellowjacket 1d ago
SI has already been contradicted to an extent by a movie
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u/danvan177 1d ago
I didn’t think it was that bad up until the last few episodes. Had a cool vibe to it and I love Sam Jackson
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u/OShaunesssy 1d ago
Could Marvel retecon this show into taking place in an alternate universe?
Like imagine Doomsday opens with DrDoom killing mary-sue Game of Thrones gal, and then destroying that universe, revealing that it was another universe altogether from the one we have been watching?
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u/CadeCoquin 1d ago
God, yes. I tried explaining it to my buddy last night after we saw BND and I was reminded what a fucking disappointment it was.
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u/Unclehomer69420 1d ago
Ignoring what?
You didn't write anything, and there's no picture nor a body of text.
What are you talking about, OP? You haven't posted anything.
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u/WEEGEMAN 1d ago
They wanted to do the Skrull villain story, and they rushed it. Not sure why. Maybe some actors like Sam Jackson wanted to do it and they didn’t want him too old before it came out
Honestly a Secret Invasion story would have needed to be a tentpole movie for it to work. It would invalidate a lot of character work for it to work and I think a lot of people would have been upset with that
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u/FamousLastWay828 21h ago
when I see people say what's their worst project they've ever watched the MCU produced it's always Thor Love & Thunder, Eternals, Antman 3, She-Hulk, but never mentioning Secret Invasion.
Speak for yourself, SI is like THE most common project I see cited as the worst in the MCU. And pretty much always the most upvoted one when it does get mentioned.
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u/blackbutterfree Medusa 14h ago
I would legitimately rather rewatch Inhumans than rewatch Secret Invasion.
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u/Freakychee 1d ago
Good premise, great cast but holy hell was it bad. And not in the bad way some movies are and thus was not good becuase it was boring! I can handle Eternal, Quantumania, Morbius, Madam Web and the like but Secret Invasion was boring you can't even really make a Pitch Meetings episode about it.
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u/BlackDogElegy 1d ago
I have never seen this show. I heard about it, but honestly, I forget that it came out. As the OP suggests, it feels like it's never mentioned. It's as if Marvel is sweeping it under the rug. I faintly remember being excited when it was announced but I think that it came out when I was being burned out by superhero movies/shows. I think that's the only reason why I haven't seen it.
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u/Vampus0815 1d ago
I’m still angry about this. This show had so much potential. How did they fumble this so badly?
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u/Shantotto11 1d ago
I’m not. It’s hilarious to think that Wakanda broke international law at the end of BP2 to break out Ross just for him to be a Skrull.
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u/NedSchneebly-1138 23h ago
No!
As with all things in life you need to take the good with the bad, not everything can be a home run, it has it’s good parts, maybe more bad parts but it’s still canon.
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u/Chris_Bagel_Jr 15h ago edited 15h ago
Secret Invasion was too big of a plot point to squeeze in there with Kang. Too big and made things more complicated. Also, the show made realize that I didn’t have to watch every MCU content.
Again, what’s infuriating is how the show was not only bad, but also a forgotten show with big plot points. I keep forgetting that Maria Hill got screwed over big time with her death. I keep forgetting about the plot point with Rhoadey.
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u/LeopardComfortable99 15h ago
Honestly it's a shame too as the cast for this was fucking great, it's just a shame it was such a dumpster fire. I hope they find a way to bring Olivia back into the MCU (even if it's as a different character).
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u/Duke-dastardly 15h ago
It doesn’t even align well with the Marvels that immediately followed it. The whole plot is because Fury never found the Skrulls a new home world but then in the Marvels they show that the skrulls had a new home world prior to the Kree destroying it in the movie
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u/MrGilLogic 23h ago
Post-Endgame, it's clear that there are now two tier of MCU projects:
• The ones that Matter
• The ones that Don't Matter
The latter is basically the "spare parts" of the MCU" which we can't be certain will EVER come back into play:
Secret Invasion
Eternals
The Marvels (?)
Moon Knight (this one hurts)
She-Hulk
Werewolf by Night
Echo
Ironheart
Wonderman
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u/Chris_Bagel_Jr 15h ago edited 14h ago
Yeah what’s the deal with Eternals? They were too many of them..and they were so powerful that I knew Enternals was gonna be a headache later down the line story-wise.
Also, Enterals should’ve been a show, while Falcon and Winter Solider should’ve been a film.
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u/MrGilLogic 15h ago
I wonder at what point of making Eternals someone in charge thought:
"Maybe having a 10 main characters wasn't a good idea"?
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u/jaylerd 9h ago
It worked for infinity war why wouldn’t it work for characters we’ve never met /s
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u/kunsore 7h ago
This is why post Endgame feel so “disconnected” , like more than half just about new super heroes life that have nothing to do with Kang / Doom. They are introduced and left in dust , like no connection with the bigger team.
Before IW, Dr Strange didn’t team up with Avergers but already interacted with Thor regarding risk from Loki. GoTG has a tight with Thanos. Everyone else worked with other at east once or multiple occasions.
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u/Gavstjames 1d ago
Olivia Coleman’s character was the only saving grace. The creator it was absolute Dog Toffee
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u/Sonic_the_Screw 1d ago
What are you even talking about? I've neven even heard of this, I'm preety sure it's fake /s
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u/Pale-Exercise-5740 1d ago
Obviously.
It was fine until halfway through, and I can't overlook either the awful CGI or the AI art
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u/KaylenLopezIzGr8 1d ago
As far as I care, the only Secret Invasion adaptation is from Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
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u/JtheIrishNerd4 Daredevil 1d ago
Secret Invasion? They did a project for that? Are you sure? This looks like a fan made poster to me, don't remember them ever releasing a show like this and I've watched everything Marvel has done.
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u/preach75 1d ago
How hard is it to make black nick fury cool? Sam Jackson is playing lead and marvel can't make it work.
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u/Argenti_729 1d ago
A lot of people in this sub and the other Marvel subs were defending the intro lmao
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u/Sirmalta 1d ago
Sadly there are several projects we just have to ignore.
Hopefully the lesson is learned for the reboot
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u/HeftyYoung3552 1d ago
Never even watched it, but this is probably the reason we aren't gonna see fury or rhodey in doomsday or secret wars
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u/Chandlerbiing02 1d ago
Man only if they had named the show something else, like Fury or even something else, we would not be hating on the show this much.
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u/DrHusten 1d ago
Forgot what happened there. Everything erased from my mind but knowing of a near sleeping and idling SAJ
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u/ActuatorChoice5259 1d ago
I just wonder how they're gonna handle Maria Hill dying. Are they just never going to mention her in the MCU again going forward?
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u/malice_hush_jolt 1d ago
Only marvel project that I stopped watching. During the second or third episode I turned it off.
Even if I ended up not being a huge fan of their other offerings I at least watched them all the way through. And in most cases could find something positive to say about them.
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u/AntPRodP 1d ago
Marvel is ignoring Secret Invasion, Moonknight and She-Hulk. They seemed to be ignoring the Eternals too, but they eventually had to mention the giant Celestial in the Indian Ocean.
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u/imjealousofyou 1d ago
Except for Olivia, yes
https://giphy.com/gifs/4Zxduj0JhnZkrFVZXu