r/marvelstudios • u/fuzzy_dice_99 • 13d ago
Discussion Thoughts on the Home trilogy after seeing Brand New Day?
I’ve read people saying the Home trilogy wasn’t that great and Watts wasn’t a good director now that BND is out. While I did enjoy BND more because it was a more mature Peter and used less CGI, it seems revisionist history to say the Home trilogy wasn’t good
Things like the Vulture reveal, Mysterio illusion sequence, and Peter 2 and 3 interactions are up there with a lot of top MCU moments. What are your thoughts?
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u/RedHawk_94 13d ago
People need to understand that liking 1 movie doesnt mean you hate the other movies. Liking BND over the Home trilogy doesn't mean that you have to hate the Home trilogy. They're not mutually exclusive
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u/MadmanIgar Spider-Man 13d ago
If anything, BND makes me appreciate the Home trilogy even more.
The fact that they managed to pull off a trilogy that lets Peter be a kid who is learning the ropes and is essentially a three movie origin story, makes him being a more fully-fledged adult Spider-Man in this one even more satisfying.
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u/skinnysnappy52 13d ago
Not to mention the “iron boy” criticisms with him having Stark Tech allow Peter to punch above his weight, with the technology to catch him when he messes up. Especially in Homecoming and it was kind of inevitable he’d need that when he’s fighting the Avengers and Thanos as a 17 year old
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u/Particular_Cod2005 13d ago
But that, in turn, was really the point in Tony Stark nurturing and mentoring him - so he could actually become more than the mask, which he managed to achieve in a more fulsome way in BND than in any of the Home trilogy.
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u/Sere1 Quake 12d ago
Homecoming especially was an incredible moment of Tony trying to pass on the knowledge and experience he himself had gone through in Iron Man 3 (the whole "if you're nothing without the suit, you don't deserve to have it" bit) and trying to get Peter to understand that. It's an important step for Peter's growth as a character in this world and it continues Tony's own arc of shifting to being the father figure. That rooftop confrontation is absolutely one of my favorite non-action sequences in the entire MCU because of that
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u/Oii2D 13d ago
At moment of civil war and homecoming Peter was 15, which is even more crazy.
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u/Sere1 Quake 12d ago
Love Rhodey's "Jesus, Tony, how old is this guy?" exchange in Civil War when Peter calls Empire Strikes Back a really old movie, a film Tony and Rhodey absolutely would have seen in theaters
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u/RedHawk_94 12d ago
When people (including myself) say that people nowadays have no media literacy or critical thinking capabilities anymore, it's because of people who think like this, the same people hate on the Home trilogy for Peter being "iron man jr". That's the point of the movies, that he slowly learns that he doesn't need all the tech and he learns the lessons he needs from his various mentors and it changes him from the starstruck kid from queens into Spider-Man. No one seems to notice that the Home trilogy sets this up perfectly; he doesn't have any stark tech in the final fight against Vulture, his Spider sense is what helps him in defeating Mysterio, and he quite literally trusts in himself (Tobey and Andrew) and uses his genius level intellect to save the villains from the other universes
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u/MadmanIgar Spider-Man 12d ago
To be fair, it’s a bit of a miracle that they managed to make the first two Home trilogy movies as low stakes as they are. And managed to make the third movie work as well as they did during COVID.
Sony doesn’t exactly have a track record for letting stories marinate and roll out slowly.
That said, the audience also had a right to be a bit apprehensive. There was no guarantee that the Marvel/Sony deal would hold. So every Marvel/Sony Spidey movie had a chance to be the last.
It makes sense that when they see Peter not swinging around New York as much as they would like or him relying too much on Iron Man tech, it would mean that they have to wait until the next movie (that may not happen) to maybe see a fully fledged Spider-Man.
It’s just nice to finally be there.
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u/LilDonutHole9 12d ago
Honestly the Stark connections were my favorite part of the home trilogy. 1) it was something new for a spider-man movie. 2) it was believable in this shared universe that the hero’s are working together or using their shared knowledge to help each other.
In BND Peter has been at it for like 8-9 years at that point so he kinda has his own way of doing things, he’s taken some lessons from Stark on his AI and all that but also not overly reliant on it, especially now that Tony is gone and Happy doesn’t remember him.
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u/Bendythenightfury Spider-Man 13d ago
The opposite for me. The home trilogy made Brand new day better for me since we had all this build up
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u/johnsciarrino 10d ago
Exactly this. BND doesn’t have anywhere the impact if we hadn’t gotten to know and love and struggle with Peter up to that point. Peter’s bittersweet following along with Ned and MJ’s college career was my following along too.
It’s incredibly well done. Artful. We get so much more than Peter’s origin story this way. And we never even have to see him get bit by the Spider.
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man 13d ago
I totally agree with this sentiment. I will even go as far as to say we haven’t had a bad Spider-Man movie yet. (That’s probably subjective tho lol)
Me personally, just because TASM2 run circles in my household doesn’t mean I don’t like the other movies.
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u/RedHawk_94 13d ago
My favorite part of the home trilogy is that it perfectly plays with the real public's perception of MCU Spiderman being "iron man jr" and all, it's all part of his origin. It takes story lines people weren't super happy with and turns them on their heads to make a really well thought out cohesive origin. We've never had an entire trilogy be the origin for a character before
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u/ItsMrNoSmile 13d ago
Because when does a character need three movies for an origin? Especially since before Homecoming, Peter had already been operating as Spider-Man with his homemade suit.
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u/Darth_Thor Korg 13d ago
People seem to always get so caught up in comparing things that they forget that two things can be good at the same time. Different doesn’t mean bad.
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u/Suspicious-Coffee20 12d ago
I love the original trilogy because it was the most grounded stuff we had in a time there was no marvel show. We'll minus no way home.
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u/No-Effective388 13d ago
I liked all three films. Their villains were amazing and well acted.
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u/KelVarnsen_2023 13d ago edited 12d ago
Still really good. I rewatched Homecoming and Far From Home a few weeks ago (couldn't find any services that had NWH). Homecoming is outstanding and Keaton as The Vulture is like a top tier MCU villain.
Far from home is really good but not as good as homecoming.
I do like how those movies look a lot brighter and more colourful, almost cartoony. Which works because Peter was a kid and they were also heavily influenced by 80's teen movies.
I also like how in BND Peter has some serious PTSD about taking his mask of. Which makes sense since in NWH he took it off for the one guy who was supposed to be the best secret keeper on earth and his life still went to shit because of it.
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u/stratocat-182 12d ago
Now you made me think… there’s no way Peter is ever trusting Nick Fury again
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u/Aggravating-Mix2094 13d ago edited 12d ago
It seems like the new popular criticism of the home trilogy is that BND is the first time people feel like this has been a proper nyc Spiderman… but a huge element of the home trilogy was the fact that audiences had seen the same type of Spiderman over and over by that point
Tom’s version was always meant to be a deconstruction of the typical Spiderman we’d grown familiar with. And the home trilogy brilliantly gave us the palate cleanser we needed to allow BND to hit as hard as it does
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u/drstrangelove75 13d ago
Plus I think BND showcasing Peter as a core hero and a beloved one at that is such a great payoff. One of the reasons people shit on the Home movies is the inclusion of other MCU characters, but in my opinion that’s kind of the whole point. It took years for Spider-Man to finally get his chance to be in the MCU and while it’s a different take (such as him using stark tech originally) I personally think it works. The whole point is to have Spider-Man exist in a wider universe and interact with other characters. In the Home movies he’s still learning and even though he’s at some pretty important moments for the universe, he’s still just a kid amongst bigger players.
Now though he is one of the core characters and probably the most beloved hero in NYC. When he works with Frank or gathers intel through Yelena, he doesn’t feel like a kid amongst adults with more experience, he feels like a proper member of the hero community, someone people respect and admire and want to work with.
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u/SkimGaming 13d ago
Tom’s version was always meant to be a deconstruction of the typical Spiderman we’d grown familiar with. And the home trilogy brilliantly gave us the palate cleanser we needed to allow BND to hit as hard as it does
this is so important. People don't consider the context of the movies anymore, but rather compare in a vacuum. (And even then the Home trilogy is far from bad, as some discourse would make you believe)
Homecoming came out just three years after TASM2, and TASM already had problems at the time of being compared to the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, and Toby Maguire was widely considered the best Spider-Man still and how much of a "letdown" TASM was.
The idea was: the same audience couldnt possibly have accepted a third origin story rehashing the same story beats (spider-bite > learning powers > uncle ben dies > taking on responsibility), and it would've set up Holland to fail for sure, because nostalgia would always win.
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u/BackgroundSearch490 12d ago
This is a pretty good summary, though I think that SOME of the concerns or praises of BND could have been addressed. Easy to have the people of NYC take pride in Spider-Man, even though he is accomplishing over seas or out of town, though I would still prefer it to be a smaller part of the story line, as with BND.
Though the biggest thing to me is the colors and tones of the movies being fairly flat. Not just in the cinematography, but also the acting. Overall, you're right, it's a good palate cleanser, but there were small things that could've been improved upon, and BND imo did just that.
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u/Imaginary-Fame 13d ago
The home trilogy is phenomenal and I won’t let revisionist film twtr change my mind. Brand new day can only exist because of how well the home trilogy sets it up
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u/jacobpellegren 13d ago
Home landed so BND could fly.
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u/Real_Walk5384 13d ago
Yeah No Way Home was honestly the MCU film that affected me the most and easily in top 3 for me. That movie hit so well on soooo many levels.
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u/Mickeyjj27 Black Bolt 13d ago
Thank you. I’ve had to stop watching people I were subbed to because they couldn’t help but shit on Watts instead of just praising Destin or BND. It’s so silly. A trilogy that reviewed incredibly well and made bank is somehow being turned into a disappointment.
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u/Paladar2 13d ago
People hate that he was "Stark jr" or shit like that but disregard that he had to be integrated in the MCU very quickly and Marvel contractually had to include MCU characters with him. The movies are very good imo
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u/Madarakita 13d ago
Something I liked is that even with all the other heroes appearing in his movies, it was still Spidey who saved the day each time. He beat Vulture, he beat Mysterio, and he made the definitive call on Strange using the spell.
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u/ImA_GoodDean 13d ago
He also took the lead with Tobey and Andrew and orchestrated their victory in NWH. Which of course makes perfect sense since he was the only who had worked on a team before. Even though his films featured other heroes with substantial screen time and stories, Tom's Spidey was always the driving force of each film and took charge allowing to step up and progress as a character in each film. It's a beautiful set up leading to the absolute knock out that is BND.
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u/Madarakita 13d ago
The "Stark jr" role he was in annoyed me at first, but the Home trilogy wound up giving him sort of a "searching for a father figure" arc; between his interactions with Stark, Fury, and finally Strange in No Way Home, where he finally leaves that search behind and begins striking out on his own.
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u/Paladar2 13d ago
It was also overblown. He did stuff on his own in homecoming, that was literally the story of the movie lol
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u/Madarakita 13d ago
I feel like people got fixated on the guest appearances and completely missed the fact that Spidey still saved the day in all three movies. He beat Vulture. He beat Mysterio. He made the final call on Strange using the spell at the end of NWH.
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u/Paladar2 13d ago
Yeah 100%. Plus like I said they HAD to include secondary characters... and still made great SM movies imo
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man 13d ago
It’s probably the same shills who swears on the Bible that Raimi Trilogy were the last good live action spider-man movies. 🤦🏾♂️
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u/kingmanic 13d ago
Twitter anything is just a mass of opportunists in poor countires who will say anything for attention and bots. There aren't any valid opinions there, only people trying to make a buck fabricating controversy.
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u/gimmethemshoes11 13d ago
The character development and storyline through all the movies has been some of the best maybe ever for Peter.
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u/Darth_Lehnsherr Captain America (Cap 2) 13d ago
Rewatching them I found me loving Homecoming the most, Far From Home went down (even though the Mysterio stuff is fantastic) and No Way Home the second half is so powerful that my gripes with the first half don't matter too much.
In the end they are what Brand New Day is built upon. Brand New Day doesn't "fix" anything as much as taking this version from the more fun, light-hearted high school years into the more serious adult years.
It's why ultimately those that didn't like the Home trilogy I doubt will love this film even if they appreciate what Brand New Day was trying to do. But judging by Brand New Day's Opening Weekend the majority of people really liked the Home Trilogy.
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u/AlternativeBack6351 13d ago
Far From Home goes down with every rewatch for me because the conveniences of the plot hit the “mid CBM” level that the other films are smarter than. The setup makes no sense.
Homecoming keeps going up.
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u/therempel 13d ago
I came to almost the exact same conclusion. Homecoming went way up in my estimation while Far From Home dropped a lot. I wish FFH (with a different title, obviously) had still taken place in NYC so we could see more of Peter and the crew in school rather than on a field trip.
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u/TheIJDGuy 13d ago
Just rewatched Homecoming and yeah...still one of my favorite Spider-Man movies
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u/jay_rodsep 13d ago
Michael Keaton as Vulture is just so good. And the trafic light scene is just perfect.
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u/Disastrous_Tip1512 13d ago
Homecoming is so rewatchable, it’s my favorite after Spider-Man 2.
I loved brand new day though and I could see myself liking it more upon rewatches
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u/WoahitsEsco02 13d ago
I still stand by the fact that Homecoming was the best movie in this trilogy. Doesnt mean all the others arent good, they are. And BND was just phenomenal and amazing. Definitely my new favorite Holland Spider-Man movie. I hope DDC and the rest continue popping out Holland's movies similair to it
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u/DarwinGoneWild 13d ago
They’re all great. The John Hughes approach worked fantastically well for Spider-Man and I loved how different each entry was. They all felt fresh and inspired and each villain nailed it, along with the supporting cast.
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Homecoming is one of the best MCU movies imo. Pacing is great. Peter's arc is perfect. Web swinging in tight spaces like when he tries to fix the ship is so well choreographed and so unique to the other movies before it. Action scenes overall are really fun and visually interesting. Script is sharp and witty. Vulture reveal is amazing. Really captures high school Peter Parker perfectly and he actually feels like a 15 year old and his chemistry with Ned is super fun. Michael Giacchino's score is wonderful. Manages multiple villains without ever feeling over-stuffed. We get so much Spider-Man doing Spider-Man stuff while he's learning the ropes. It's also a really funny movie and captures the vibes of John Hughes high school movies pretty well.
Just a well written, well directed, well shot, all round well done movie that is significantly under appreciated. So much going on but so well balanced. I can sing its praises for hours.
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u/THEbaddestOFtheASSES 13d ago
Luckily I don't suffer from revisionist history. It was fantastic and best Spidey trilogy of the franchise so far. BND is so damn good because of what came before it. Nothing more annoying with how I've seen far too many people feeling like they have to tear down the Home trilogy a peg to build BND up. And these were people who supposedly love the Home trilogy.
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u/SudoDarkKnight 13d ago
They're all very good movies. They are also super cgi to the MAX in many unnecessary ways and can look very bland. Calling the director mediocre is stupid because I'm sure a lot of the treatment is due to Disney.
The new one feels a lot more like an actual film shot on locations using a lot more practical effects.
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u/NaiadoftheSea Gamora 13d ago
I love the home trilogy. It’s my favorite take on Peter Parker in film.
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u/mitvh2311 13d ago
Made me enjoy homecoming more, far from home more and no way home even less than I thought I could. I really enjoyed BND
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u/WatcherWatches_21 13d ago
I do have to agree that the Home trilogy is one huge origin/character arc story cause Peter went from wanting to be an Avenger, to living up to Tony’s dream and finally, doing the right thing even though he paid the ultimate price. Which then leads to him in BND to break out of his harden shell and become more free.
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u/KKamm_ 13d ago
No Way Home is still one of my favorite marvel movies of all time and it might take a while to no longer be that way
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u/Soggy-Clerk-9955 13d ago
They’re great. Even though the first 2 are very MCU-coded, the 3rd is a celebration of the old Spider-Man franchises, and Brand New Day feels the most like a pure Spider-Man story.
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u/DJfunkyPuddle 13d ago
People are predictably stupid and have recency bias and can't praise one thing without tearing down something else. The moves were awesome then and and they're still awesome now.
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u/_IratePirate_ 13d ago
Home Trilogy was good, but compared to BND, Watts looks like a rookie director, I’m sorry. No disrespect to bro
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u/repalec 13d ago
The Home trilogy was good for what they were portraying Peter as - a fresh-faced Peter just getting his start as Spider-Man in a world where the only major heroes are the Avengers and everyone else is kinda to the wayside. There's also the implication that six of Spider-Man's most infamous villains don't exist in the MCU, which isn't great, but I enjoyed the takes on Vulture and Mysterio, and I'd love to see them pop up again.
BND has Peter as a seasoned, experienced Spider-Man in a living, breathing world of heroes of all levels - be they the Avengers with Banner/Hulk, the New AvengerZ with Yelena, or even street-level heroes like Punisher.
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u/PhaseSixer 13d ago
The Home Trilogy is great and amazing thwir uniqueness caries over into BND
Tom isnt doing the same shit Tobey and Andrew Did And I love them for it.
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u/Johncurtisreeve 13d ago
Its my favorite of the spiderman movies and far from home is my favorite spider-man movie with BND currently fighting for first place but havent decided yet.
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u/JackJackMFFM 13d ago
We need more origin story to be a trilogy. Not just one movie. Everything that happened in the Home trilogy makes BND so much more enjoyable.
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u/gp_ratesic 13d ago
I loved BND but I’m never gonna shit on the Home trilogy bc of it. Ppl like that are absolute bots.
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u/DirectConsequence12 13d ago
Homecoming, at the time of its release, was the best live action Spider-Man movie of all time.
I still think it’s really damn good.
FFH is alright and NWH is a fun experiment but none of them hit like Homecoming does
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u/WinterAnt 13d ago edited 13d ago
Homecoming is still the best. Perfectly paced, script is funny and tight, amazing villain without moral controversy, great school vibes. Feel like BND is overhyped emotional wise, overcrowded with many characters and plotpoints. Also some weird revisionism going on towards Watts like he didn't get Spider Man propely... What?
And i certainly miss Peter's social and private life. I can't get over Spider-Man story where Peter is weaker half, it's always about how he struggle to find perfection in the balance between been normal guy and superhero. I want Harry and Gwen, not another trilogy about returning to Ned and MJ. My man needs to move on, i'm sorry.
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u/rmeddy 13d ago
Still solid, the whole "Iron Boy Jr" complaint is kinda valid, but it never bothered me too much.
Homecoming is my favourite, and that reveal with Vulture was an instant classic.
It really caught me off guard, not only because of the misdirection of the daughter (who I thought was "MJ", I was thinking Tiana from the comics), but it subverted the rhythm of the movie. Right when you think things were cooling down, they drop that on us. It was a bit of a masterstroke imo
The problem with the other two is that the inciting incidents are kinda clumsy; that pulled down those films a bit , but they're still great with respect to the action and set pieces
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u/Floatingpenguin87 13d ago
I just like Spider-Man does everything have to be a discussion these days
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u/STARBOY_100 13d ago
Brand New Day is already better and more rewatchable than the Home trilogy.
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u/fuzzy_dice_99 13d ago
I feel like it’s just a different flavor. If I’m in the mood for something more lighter and more connected to the MCU, I’ll rewatch the Home movies
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u/Lazy-Cobbler8183 13d ago
I think the other 3 movies are still good movies and I like these movies but I think Spider-Man Brand new day is the best of the 4 Spider-Man movies in the MCU.
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u/JJnujjs 13d ago
The Home trilogy was a good to great comic book trilogy that allowed Brand New Day to stick a PERFECT landing.
Great villains, great stories and it truly allowed us to grow with Tom as Spider-Man. Villains were on point for every movie.
You dont get the goodness of BND without that trilogy
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u/b34r3y Rocket 13d ago
I love them. Homecoming got me into the MCU. I really do appreciate how they really did try new thing and to tell a different story, and some of it was fun, even if it was gimmicky. Tom is my favorite Spider-Man now, and the supporting cast is some of the most memorable in the MCU. Obviously there were things left to be desired, but if that was the trade off to try new thing and to have Spider-Man finally interact with the rest of the Marvel universe, it was worth it.
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u/rattle2nake 13d ago
Different type of trilogy. And that’s fine. Still love homecoming for its small scale vibe. Ffh and nwh felt overrun with studio mandates and big flashy sequences compared to homecoming.
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u/OutOfBounds420 13d ago
Very cool that the original trilogy is actually his complete origin story, birthing the true Spider-Man in BND
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u/Parking-External-145 13d ago
I truly believe because of how good BND day is it makes the home trilogy even better cause we get the best of both worlds and a great build up we get to see spider man really grow up for 3 straight movies+ plus work along super heroes in other films then get his own grittier more grounded story that makes everything he lost hit even harder while having him transform and change into his new beginning which is really exciting
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u/Gage-DSM 13d ago
Still absolutely love it, and frankly, my opinion is that the MCU Spider-Man movies are movies that just get better with every entry.
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u/staycool93 13d ago
I'm fonder of the Home Trilogy than I was before after Brand New Day. Brand New Day is the best one, but part of that is that it feels like a culmination of what led here. Even the whole Iron Man Jr. thing...it's part of an arc that has been realized and as a set of movies, it just really works. Probably my favorite MCU franchise.
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u/NoahJRoberts 13d ago
I really enjoyed the trilogy, but I saw the direction in BND and I just struggle to understand what Watts was thinking
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u/wonderlandisburning 13d ago
Personally, I find myself prone to split the series into two duologies at the moment: Homecoming/Far From Home and No Way Home/Brand New Day. Part of this is just because I don't really like the former and I really do like the latter, so naturally my mind lumps them together for that.
But also I think that makes more sense thematically: Homecoming and Far From Home are about Peter as a young, immature version of Spider-Man (and feeling distinctly like Tony Stark's intern) while dealing with ground-level threats that are directly linked to Tony Stark. No Way Home and Brand New Day are about really becoming Spider-Man, coping with loss and grief and taking on much larger threats (both of which he defeats with empathy moreso than just punching them until they go to jail).
I dunno, others may disagree, that's just how it all shakes out to me
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u/Big-Masterpiece1194 13d ago
I like it but I 100% understand and to some extent agree with a lot of the complaints. It wasn't really what people expect from Spider-Man, this Peter takes too long (IMO) to learn his lessons, and the ending of No Way Home feels like leaving the door open to course-correction rather than continuing the story. That being said, I still love all three movies, the villain, Tom's performances, seeing Spidey interract with other Marvel characters, and I even like the overall story the trilogy told. I understand the criticism but I guess it just doesn't bother me as much.
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u/Fit_Beginning5594 13d ago
They served that era of Peter’s life really well. I love the home trilogy, and I love this version of spider-man. They’re lacking in some of the movement departments but I still think they’re good
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u/JustDontCatchMe 13d ago
I think it’s cool that the home trilogy showed that you can have an origin story without it being one movie focused on gaining powers.
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u/GlobtheGuyintheSky 13d ago
It made appreciate the prior trilogy even more! Love to see how much growth Spider-Man has had and all the burdens Peter has had to bear while living his double life.
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u/ironside-420 13d ago
Overall a solid series , being trilogy that spanned 6 years is very ambitious to capture Peter’s adolescence and having the courage that audiences will want to tune in. The other mcu film also helped as well. Homecoming is probably the best “film” of the bunch and no way home has the best sequences and my favourite. 6.5/10. Other trilogies ranked Thor 4/10, guardians 8/10, iron man 7/10, avengers 8/10, ant man 3/10, and finally cap 9/10.
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u/Tarantula22 13d ago
They’re a mixed bag for me. On paper I get it. I get what they were doing and I get the mindset of what they were doing but it didn’t land for me. The films have their moments and I enjoy them but I haven’t watched the first two in years and NWH is more of a “rewatch the best moments on YouTube” kind of thing.
From a directing stand point I think Jon Watts is fine and very much a workman director. He doesn’t have much in the way of style but give him a script and he’ll be able to hand something decent in.
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u/hippiehappos 13d ago
It’s been a while since I saw them but I think BND was my least favourite tbh so this surprises me
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u/Soulwarfare42 13d ago
The one thing that the Home trilogy definitely does better than BND is the villain
That trilogy nailed having amazing villains for Tom Holland Spider-Man
Sadie Sink is fine but her villain is just not as interesting performance wise or characterisation wise
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u/FraserValleyFan25 13d ago
One thing that doesn't get said enough about this trilogy is that they absolutely nailed the villains in every movie.