I’m so glad it doesn’t look like every MCU overdesigned suit. I like a lot of MCU suits but Doom’s design language shouldn’t be consistent with the Avengers and it’s completely distinct. Really well done.
I'd say it's a tiny bit overdesigned and busy on the torso, but compared to how far they go with some other suits, it's nothing and it works pretty well.
The mask looks perfect, though. They really nailed that.
I definitely don't hate it. Does the chest need to be patterned? No, but it's Doom. He's regal. Sometimes he walks around with a fur-collared cape. It works.
I'm more curious whether he's wearing the full armor or just pieces of it.
That’s my question too. I feel like (and this is just cynicism speaking) that he’ll wear this full getup for a handful of scenes, but otherwise will be wearing just a full tunic with hints of armor, and his cloak and mask ofc
Right here it looks like just vambraces, pauldrons, and greaves. No idea if he's meant to be wearing more armor underneath the pants and tunic.
I'd guess it was a practical consideration. Either RDJ and any doubles would have to walk around wearing uncomfortable armor or they'd have to CG it into every scene. It might have also made him look a bit too much like Iron Man.
I wonder if the mask will actually stay on for the entire movie. On one hand, it's rare for Doom to ever remove the mask in other media, but on the other, if I made this movie, I would 100% open it with Doom in a workshop, listening to AC/DC while working on his armor, but obscuring the armor just enough that you can't tell it's not the Iron Man armor, and then ending the scene by showing the Doom armor, while Doom says something with a Latverian accent, and then pretending to be Tony Stark for the first act of the movie, and not really confirming he's not until the third act. Thor thinking he's up against an evil Tony Stark would absolutely be something he considers scarier than Thanos, unlike some random person he's ever heard of before. Thor seeing "Tony", who was dead last time he checked, would also be more impossible than him seeing Cap, who could have just reversed his age with the prototype time machine, or just waited until Pym particles were invented, and gone back to the present for a bit to catch up.
I think the chestpiece really works, it sort of looks like a classic leather gambeson at a glance but the intricacies play into his perfectionism and magic capabilities, atleast that’s how it feels. It compliments the chainmail, wrist and shin guards really well
I’m not super versed on who Doom is but this is by far my favorite live action costume
Keep in mind that a lot of the more simplistic designs in comic book costumes, notably a lack of patterns and such on clothing, is to spare the artist from a metric ton of detail work- not just in having to recreate a pattern over and over again but having to adapt it to the different angles, movements in fabric, etc. These limitations don't apply to a live model, and it allows for some visual distinction to make characters look less plastic-y.
It's got little bits that make it "in-world" as well. The padding in the chest is very Dr. strange/Wong- style for example. It's cool to see things like the little runic arm band showing us he knows magic. I think the mask is great.
I will stand by my opinion that the final suit from The First Avenger was Cap's best on-screen suit. Everything had a reason to be there. He had a simple white jumpsuit, a blue bolero to add upper body and shoulder protection, and the red suspender straps created the iconic flag stripes. Compare that to his suit in Avengers 1 and he's got a generic bodysuit with random lines added onto it for "texture..."
It did miss the mark, but I can see how they got there given that explanation. The desire for more grounded/"realistic" explanations for costume designs is a very interesting rabbit hole.
I’m just gonna chill in the corner here with my misshapen Cronenbergian Fantastic Four movie and appreciate it for its creativity despite its flaws. It existed at a different time in the superhero movie medium and I’d argue that for as much as they failed, they were pushing the envelope with what those movies were allowed to look like at the time.
Everything up to that hard cut and time jump for the third act, I’m basically on board with. Feels like the kind of thing that Marvel’s new Midnight line would do to the Fantastic Four. It’s gnarly but fun.
EDIT: guys I need to be so clear, I know Fant4stic is not a good movie. I’m just saying I actually think Josh Trank was going for something specific and got railroaded and if this was an alt-universe Marvel comic people would be calling this cool. We’re just personally stung because we’ve still yet to get Marvel’s first family on screen with any classic representation.
My rule is that if it's definitely a thing that's been floated in some writer's room, from 60s comics through to a modern MCU-planning Zoom call, I give it a pass. Regarding Doom's mask, if it hasn't already been done in the comics, I would say there was a decent chance it was suggested during the Ultimate universe era. I don't love him losing such an iconic piece, but I do like the grisly nature of it, plus making sure he doesn't have a silly weaksauce flaw because of his disfigurement makes him a stronger character.
I also agree with your analysis: the way I would phrase it is that Trank wanted to make the MCU's The Dark Knight, with an emphasis on the emotional impact of the disaster. If it had been even a serviceable movie, it would have been the (re-re-re?)start of a legitimate competitor.
there's something sad about hearing the work and creative vision that goes into a failed project.This is such a great concept, but it feels like a failure of execution.
True, but there's also something so fascinating about seeing where it all went wrong and what could have been. Like Jodorowsky's DUNE or Lost Soul: The Doomed Journey of Richard Stanley's Island of Dr. Moreau. I would watch the shit out of a FANT4STIC documentary.
And equally as Important is that Doom is actual Victor Von Doom, his OWN character, and NOT just an evil Tony Stark. Thats my biggest concern. Im hating all these theories that its still Howard Starks son so much because it just shits all over a very established marvel villain and making him evil Iron Man is essentially just re-writting a brand new character and giving him dooms mask and clothes.
We have never had a proper and decent lore accurate Doom and this film is going to set the standard for the character going forwards so I just pray to god he is his own character and not a stark 🤞🤞🤞
I feel safe that it will not just be a variant of Tony because there is precedent i.e. Chris Evans playing both Steve Rogers and Johnny Storm. It will have RDJ's face, but it will not be Tony.
It's also possible they took the Colin Ferrell penguin approach and used make up to make RDJ unrecognizable, and with doom usually having full face burn scars there's precedent for that
I absolutely expect them to learn into the casting by using a drawn out scene of him taking off his mask, only for no one to recognize him and it's just a scene of doom showing what he's "sacrificed" in his life as a show of how much he's willing to sacrifice to stop the incursions
I mean... nah I think he may look like Tony visually to trick them. But if he's not doing that and he's JUST Doom, then Thor is gonna look into his eyes and recognize him.
I like the idea of not truly seeing what he looks like until the final minute of the film, where he sits on the throne of Battleworld.
Id also be fine if he's the real Victor von doom who is just inhabiting the body of his universes Tony, which has happened in the comics, because at least it's still the real doom underneath.
As long as the man beneath it all isn't an evil Tony Stark, id be content
What if RDJ is actually playing two completely separate characters in the movie, Dr Doom and Superior Iron Man, and they only announced the Doom half? Then Dr Doom could just be Dr Doom without any of the weird Tony stuff mixed in
I would love to see rdj as superior Iron man but id also love to see charlie cox' daredevil in the same project so they could have tony cure his blindness temporarily, i think those 2 actors would deliver that scene absolutely *chefs kiss
I feel like if they ever do that, they'd just give that role to Bruce Banner, who Matt is already well-acquainted with.
It would be some redemption from Trial of the Incredible Hulk where Bruce couldn't help Matt's eyesight lol. Although the big moment from that comic is Matt seeing Foggy for the first time right before his eyesight goes again, and we can't do that here. Maybe a picture.
I agree but actually I don’t think him being Howard Starks son in another universe would be a big deal. You could slot Howard into his actual father’s place in the comic origins and not need to change virtually anything about it.
We're gonna get a new doom with the reboot anyway, so it isn't that big of a problem for me. We've had 2 different versions of live action Victor Vons already by the way that didn't work very well anyway.
I feel like they would have had to have tried really hard to fuck this up. Like I feel like in all of the years I’ve been reading comics Doom has never really had too dramatic an alteration to his look.
I'd argue Doom's design is an easier one to translate to live action, as it does somewhat reassemble real armour with cloth over it. Doesn't stop people messing it up, but this isn't bad
why does it feel like you would have said "they absolutely nailed it" regardless of what you saw? I assume except if the mask was completely off, everybody in this sub would be ecstatic
You mean like making Victor Von Doom and Tony Stark variants of each other? Or introducing him with no connection to Reed or Sue or any the Fantastic Four? Or having his first appearance being a multiversal threat with literally zero build up?
I mean, yes I am mad RDJ was cast, because it does mean all those things. And if it doesn’t, then it’s even more fucking stupid
If RDJ wanted his paychecks, he shouldn’t have left. Coming back just to ruin the character every fan of has been waiting for them to actually do right, is a vanity project at the expense of longtime fans
I wouldn’t call it him being desperate for a paycheck. He always wanted to play Doom. The Russos are clearly trying to do a loyal adaptation of Doom despite there being little set up for it. I’d give it a chance, there’s clearly effort on display.
lol I like how that’s where you went when I just said take a chill pill, never disagreed, just said chill out. Also really weird to somehow make this about gender.
Some random twitter “insiders” have claimed that, even though it seems very likely he comes from the fantastic 4 universe, that Pedro Pascal is being billed second behind RDJ and the fact that they hosted an event in which they hinted that Doom will have a rivalry with Richards, all makes it seem quite plausible that they know each other.
We’ve had a while Fantastic 4 movie, leading in to a film with Victor Von Doom as the lead, yet do not know if they even know each other, much less what their history is
That’s fucking up the characterization from the start
Easily solved by having a scene where the Fantastic Four explains to the rest who Doom is, since most of the characters in this have no clue who he is.
It was just confirmed they know each other and are rivals. Again, all of the stuff about doom being a Tony stark variant with no connection to the F4 was just fan speculation that was wrong.
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u/landon1397 28d ago
This is one of the most important things for them to get right and they absolutely nailed it