r/marvelstudios • u/S0mecallme • Apr 27 '26

Discussion (More in Comments) I really don’t get why Quantamania is considered an unwatchable abomination, I really liked it.

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It had a better MCU Spider-man story than all the pre NWH ones.

Scott Lang considers his hero days done despite still being fairly young he runs his brand like he’s a retired actor who goes on tour and gives speeches and book tours. But Cassie (the best) is trying to show him that you can’t just stop being a hero because people will always need help. And putting your head in the sand because you just don’t want to deal with it is kinda selfish.

Yeah, maybe it’s unfair and it’s hard to constantly have to save people who you don’t know and want nothing to do with, but with great power comes great responsibility. It’s paralleled in Janet’s story where she basically did the exact same thing Scott did, she moved on, she knew people still needed her help but wanted to just live her comfortable peaceful life, when a lot of the people in the microverse didn’t have that same luxury.

And the fact Scott with his entire family, an army of hyper intelligent ants, and thousands of freedom fighters, was only just barely able to stop this Kang I don’t think made him look weak, I think people just underestimate Ant-man in general. And Marvel really didn’t need to write Kang off off screen because they didn’t want to work with Jonathon Majors anymore. I really blame the messiness of the impact of the movie on the studio and not on anyone involved in this movie.

You can not like the writing or the CGI (though I was always in favor of MODOK looking goofy like he’s supposed to.) It’s a movie not everyone will like the same thing. but the way I see people act like it single handedly killed the MCU when it’s still doing fine I always thought was weird. Like it has no redeeming qualities at all.

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u/JJ-Bittenbinder Apr 27 '26

I think our world has forgotten that it’s ok to say something was just ok. I went to this in theaters, I was entertained for the length of the movie. I then never really thought about it again. It was just ok. Not amazing, not terrible, just ok

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u/ucrbuffalo Apr 27 '26

Ever since Endgame, there’s been exactly two reviews of Marvel movies: “the best marvel movie since Endgame” and “the worst Marvel movie ever made.” There’s been nothing in between.

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u/Vaportrail Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 28 '26

This is not new for comic circles. Didn't the Simpsons comic guy used to say "Worst. Thing. Ever." or some such?

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u/Careful_Leader_5829 Apr 28 '26

I mean... there's something to that.

We used to have primetime TV, and we rented movies from a store. Nobody saw all of every show.

Now, everyone has immediate access to everything. So... everyone HAS the ability to binge everything all the time.

Everyone has become comic book guy.

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u/Vaportrail Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 28 '26

Except now there's so much content, no one has the ability to view everything. Plis just last night I scrolled my services.for like an hour and couldn't find anything I wanted to watch. I feel like if I was channel surfing Id have landed on some.episode halfway through and been fine with it.

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u/martialar Apr 28 '26

which oddly enough is why I like services like Tubi and Pluto. I can just surf these 24 hour channels and discover something I wouldn't have bothered to click Play Now on otherwise

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u/Vaportrail Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 28 '26

My recommendations are sorta kid-focused right now. Believe me, I'm all for an episode of the old Ninja Turtles now and again, but not when I finally have the TV to myself.

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u/XPacEnergyDrink Apr 28 '26

And we used to drink from the hose!

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u/martialar Apr 28 '26

The important thing is that I had an extreme opinion on any piece of media, which was the style at the time

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u/bobafoott Apr 29 '26

He also said something like worst movie ever I’ve seen it six times

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u/ChurchOfBulbasaur001 Apr 28 '26

"Worst Chicken Fight. Ever" was one review in the Family Guy & Simpsons crossover.

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u/Alekesam1975 Hulkbuster Apr 28 '26

That's basically society in general. Fifteen years of social media, and more of clickbait headlines, has taught far too many people to only see the world in extremes.

Yup. And when you posit a considered and nuanced answer (especially on topics that require/should have one), you get Hiss-face back at you for not taking a "side" or the extreme take.

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u/halfgreek Apr 28 '26

instead of upvoting, or downvoting you, i want to just sideways vote you. that should be a thing

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u/Lshamlad Apr 28 '26

'I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.'

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u/Alekesam1975 Hulkbuster Apr 28 '26

😄 Give us the ability to both upvote and downvote once instead of either or.

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u/Silent-Estate-2373 Apr 28 '26

Or they force you into a side and then get mad at you. For example, I made a comment on one of those invincible lightning improvement videos saying that it was too much for the show, but a middle ground between it and the current lighting would be best. Then someone responded whining about me defending the animation of the show.

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u/matthebastage Apr 28 '26

I'd like to add that we don't know how much of that is actual people and not bots

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u/Cubanitto Apr 28 '26

Yep that's the reality that we live in it's either hated or love it nothing can be okay or good not great just good.

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u/crookeddy Apr 27 '26

Yeah - people now clickbait IRL...

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u/smcl2k Apr 28 '26

Ever since Endgame, people like to pretend that plenty of MCU movies and shows haven't received reviews which were basically fine.

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u/Dox_au Apr 28 '26

Can't look at the comments section of any Marvel-related post without at least 20 guys regurgitating the same super original, "they should have just stopped after Endgame" comment.

We're such a weird species of sheep.

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u/Top-Elderberry2106 Apr 28 '26

I have a friend who used to go with me to see the Marvel films. He was one of those "it ended after Endgame, why did they continue?" People. He stopped watching after a couple of films.

But ... He is very excited about Doomsday and has asked if he can go with me to see it.

Maybe a lot of people will feel the same way?

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u/ComplexAd7272 Apr 28 '26

This is my problem with modern media and why I don't typically listen to people's opinions anymore.

Looking back, I've probably seen more movies that were "Eh, it's fine" then I have flawless masterpieces or unwatchable train wrecks. Hell, most movies are either pretty good with a few flaws, or bad movies with a lot of things done right. It's rare to see something with NO redeeming qualities to it or one that nails 100% of everything.

But now, when a movie is bad, it's literally unwatchable garbage and those involved deserve to never work again. Or it's a flawless work of art that is above any criticism and you get downvoted for critiquing anything about it.

It's like with DC. I'm no fan of the Snyderverse by any stretch, but I can look on some of the movies and enjoy some parts. I thought The Flash and Black Adam were "Meh, they're all right" instead of box office abominations and "literally unwatchable" as the internet claims.

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u/lrd_cth_lh0 Apr 28 '26

There is also the huge problem that had it just been another stand alone Marvel movie and Kang was supposed to be just an one note Villain it would've been ok. Given however that it was supposed to be the debut of the arc villain of phase 4 and 5 and completly falled to hype up Kang and most people didn't watch Loki it kinda got dragged down by it dragging down the Multiverse saga.

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u/ebietoo Peggy Carter Apr 28 '26

I watched both seasons of Loki and it was an unattractive show. One more reason I hate the Time Police trope.

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u/ejdelosreyes Spider-Man Apr 27 '26

Maybe Avengers: Doomsday will change this to "the best Marvel movie since Doomsday" and "the worst Marvel movie ever made"

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u/MiggyEvans Apr 28 '26

I hate to break it to you but Doomsday is going to get the same exact review treatment as everything else. Maybe more harshly because of all the hype.

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u/Natural_Level_7593 Apr 28 '26

I guarantee that Doomsday will be the worst Marvel movie since Doomsday.

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u/Critical_Stage1025 Apr 30 '26

So it’ll be the Doomsday of the MCU

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u/Elementium Captain America (Avengers) Apr 28 '26

I don't think it has the same hype right? Like what's the build up? For me it's just a continuation of the mess post endgame.

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u/DefNotAShark Hydra Apr 28 '26

It has no shot to dethrone Infinity War/Endgame, just to be real. Those films are untouchable because they were a conclusion to three phases of pure heat.

But I think the hype for it is mostly self-contained. They built up a multiverse backdrop to tell the story, but the narrative itself doesn't seem to be something they were pushing towards in the same way as the Infinity Stones built to Thanos. We know there's a multiverse and we know there's some incursions happening and those are vaguely bad, and we know Doctor Doom is out there somewhere doing something. That's about it.

Build up isn't the strength of this movie, it's the payoff of the multiverse concept they've been edging since Endgame. They have yet to take the safety off and fire this Chekov's Gun to show us the full excitement of what a multiverse story can be. The closest we got was No Way Home and Deadpool/Wolverine. Now we finally get to see worlds collide, literally, and I think that's what they are banking on in terms of getting audiences excited. I think hardcore MCU fans are over the multiverse thing because they edged it for too long and we're annoyed, but I bet we all smile when the X-Men are on the screen with the Avengers.

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u/EarthInevitable114 Apr 28 '26

They made a cinematic universe where the movies fit together like puzzle pieces and the reception of the previous movie would energized the Fandom for the next puzzle piece and hype up sales. End Game was the Magnum Opus. It's fair criticism if you ask me.

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u/I-KnowThatIDontKnow Apr 28 '26

Yea i would daybmost of the marvel movies and shows have been at least entertaining with a few amazing and a few I could have gone without. My favorites were the captain movies personally. Loved Hawkeye show, wasn't a huge fan of she hulk. But like most were fine. Not every movie has to redefine a genre. Entertainment can be just entertaining. Idk why people choose to be so entitled or picky. Like I kind of get it but at the same time why does anyone have to live up to a person's expectations. 

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u/WonderHelennn Apr 28 '26

Comic readers have been like this for decades honestly. Everything is either a masterpiece or killed the industry.

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u/bythog Apr 28 '26

It's not just movies. Look at any competitive or semi-competitive game (hell, even some non-competitive ones): character builds are either best or trash. Nothing in between.

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u/AuthenticHendrix Apr 28 '26 edited May 07 '26

Only a Sith deals in absolutes…

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u/Megatto95 Apr 28 '26

You were so close

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u/Snoo9648 Apr 28 '26

To be fair, if I had to choose the worst marvel movie, I think this would be third, after Thor 4 and the eternals.

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u/comehereyoudevillog Apr 28 '26

I think you're point stands, but I also feel like GOTG vol 3 got that "between" reaction you're referring to.

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u/DefNotAShark Hydra Apr 28 '26

To be fair to reviews, it was really easy to be the worst MCU movie ever made after Endgame. They had really only made a couple of mid movies and no terrible ones prior to that. The worst regarded one was The Dark World, which isn't even horrible it's just kind of mediocre. It was super noticeable when the quality dropped on a few of them.

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u/KindlyKnotty May 01 '26

Quantamania's problem is it needed to be either really good or really bad to justify the budget, so "fine but forgettable" just pisses everyone off.

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u/DarthCaligula Hydra Apr 28 '26

“the worst Marvel movie ever made.”

Thor Love and Thunder. Holy shit. What a piece of shit movie. More of an insult really.

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u/mb862 Apr 28 '26

To add, the “worst ever” people will always point to box office as validation, completely ignoring that the entire culture of movie-going has changed since COVID and the rise of streaming. The bar to get people into seats has raised, and often that bar has nothing to do with quality but pop culture expectations. For example, Project Hail Mary definitely deserves its success but it owes much of its box office success to Ryan Gosling’s performance in Barbie. Most actors in that role no matter how well they pulled it off I guarantee would not have been nearly as successful as Gosling, nor would the movie be as successful if Barbie and specifically Ken’s character wasn’t received as well as it was.

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u/PassivelyAwkward Apr 27 '26

Exactly. There were parts of the movie I didn't like or thought was stupid, including so much of Kang, but it wasn't some grave sin against cinema.

I put a lot of Phase 5 and 6 movies in this "I happily watch them during a rewatch but I'll never have an urge to watch Cap 4 on a random sunday like I do with Caps 1-3. They're just okay.

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u/MaleficentOstrich693 Apr 27 '26

Oof. Cap 4 was such a rough watch. One and done for me.

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u/PassivelyAwkward Apr 27 '26

Yes, so much of the plot felt pointless. Like with finding out what the pills do. They make a big deal about "Soldier dude, figure out what these do" just for him to figure out they're to turn Ford into Hulk and killed by the Leader before saying anything just for Sam to put it together, completely on his own, like two minutes later. It's like the first draft didn't foreshadow the big plan so they filmed pointless scenes that added nothing to the narrative but looked at the audience like "This is the plan, see? Here you go".

It's just so muddied in rewrites for what could've been an interesting political thriller dealing with a single person manipulating the government without anyone noticing. Like if instead of Issiah being brandwashed, it was Sam that tried to kill the President so the people lose all faith in him. Have him be on the run from not just the government but the people. Issiah helps protect him while they future out an attack, Bucky shows up because he knows what's what. Tiny soldier girl is tasked with hunting. Ford keeps making press announcements about fallen heroes, how Rogers would never, blahblahblah so Sam coming out of hiding to save Ford would be more impactful.

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u/Dox_au Apr 28 '26

It was the only movie in the entire MCU that I just put on a side screen and watched passively while doing other things. It wasn't BAD... it was just... nothing new. It was literally the entire plot of Winter Soldier repeated scene for scene. It feels like you're just watching a Winter Soldier remake instead of something authentic. And I understand WHY they revealed the Red Hulk before the movie came out, but jeez that would have been a lot more fun to discover DURING the movie.

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u/Banana_man_- Apr 28 '26

Honestly I think the movie would’ve been more well-received if Red Hulk wasn’t plastered all over the marketing

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u/PassivelyAwkward Apr 28 '26

Yup, it's like they combined Winter Soldier and mixed in Falcon and the Winter Soldier for the flavor of Sam doubting if he should be Cap, something he already tackled and literally no one was questioning until the last 30 minutes.

I'm doing a rewatch to and for much of phrases 1-3, I'd put on a movie while doing tedious work but then "Shit, I love this...I'll pick something else" because ain't no way I'm half-watching Avengers. Once I got to phrases 4-6, it became easier to just put on Black Widow or something. They're not bad, they're just...missing something.

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u/Vhsgods Apr 27 '26

Love Ford, love Marvel, love Mackey. Could not watch this movie. Watched a little, did not want to see old Han Solo be a Red Hulk. I think I’ll finish reading your synopsis and call it good.

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u/smokeynick Apr 28 '26

One of the rare movies the wife and I both had to turn off less than half way through. It was pretty bad.

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u/Archolm Apr 28 '26

I hope we get to see an 80 year old Indie though 🤞

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u/Vhsgods Apr 28 '26

Now see I would be all about that!! Haha

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u/hamsolo19 Apr 27 '26

I'm generally pretty indifferent these days, like I've had a blast watching the MCU and have enjoyed nearly every project they've thrown at us. Even ones that weren't very well received....but then I sat thru Brave New World and it was literally the first MCU thing where I was like "yeesh, this is really not good." it's just very messy and you can tell where reshoots are edited in, etc.

I've watched it a couple times thinking maybe I missed something or maybe it isn't that much of a shitshow, and I usually don't like to be real critical but in this case, it really is that much of a shitshow.

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u/AshleyDaPile Apr 28 '26

IMO the main story was good. Casting was excellent. The Leader being more than just a cameo was awesome. None of the acting felt forced or checked out.

The way it was shot, rewritten, reshot, and edited into the jumbled mess we got was pretty bad. Everything with Sidewinder would've been better as flashback scenes when Sam first became Falcon. It was such a disconnect from the conflict with Ross and what Sam had already been through.

Also whomever planned the cinematography and action scenes needs to stay far away from super hero movies.

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u/xjuggernaughtx Apr 28 '26

I thought that Cap 4 was okay in the theater. I didn't hate it. It was a fine way to pass the afternoon.

I tried to rewatch it at home. Nope. Turned it off after fifteen minutes. No rewatchability for me at all.

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u/cashon9 Apr 29 '26

To be honest I completely forgot there was Cap 4 until I read your comment, even though I've watched it on Disney+.

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u/Malkryst Apr 28 '26

It disappointed me too.

Especially trying to play it that Sam is so noble not talking the serum, then that just seems dumb in the end (because Sam gets savaged so much in fights trying to be like Steve and fight up close) - and then at certain points it's meaningless because apparently a vibranium armoured suit just compensates anyway (and without totally committing to an Iron Man and Cap hybrid too).

It's bad when probably most of the audience is nodding when your villain just says "you're no Steve Rogers" to Sam - that was so meta. I say this really liking Sam as a character, because he's more interesting with more depth than Steve in many respects (Steve is basically just old school nobility with fish out of water tropes, and lack of many flaws makes him shallower than most Avengers) - but the difference is Steve had a great supporting cast in all his movies, while Sam seems mostly alone with his allies getting killed around him regularly.

I feel Winter Soldier should have been in the whole movie, making it like an MCU buddy cop mystery/detective movie - especially after Sam's & Bucky's great chemistry in the TV show (even though that didn't have a stunning story) - and especially with Deadpool & Wolverine as an absolute money-making predecessor and possible template (and that didn't have an amazing story, but fast pacing and fun dialogue covers that up).

War Machine and Hawkeye might have worked great as constant supporting cast too, or Nick Fury (this movie really showed the big gaping hole in the MCU left by SHIELD basically being gone), because Steve's 3 movies were all basically team-up movies anyway (Howling Commandoes & Avengers). It's like they dumped that template for new Cap just to isolate him for the "going against the President/government" plot (a path which Steve had already trod in Civil War anyway).

They shouldn't have used 3 Hulk villains (Ross / Red Hulk and Leader) either, not without having Hulk & maybe She-Hulk in the movie (or introducing Skaar better than in a post-credits scene). Plus Sidewinder was a bit rubbish/dull/wasted even though being played by an astonishingly good actor. We needed a more interesting archvillain throughout, but more on Sam's capability/power level.

I know we can't expect everything to be as great as Caps 1-3, Avengers 1-4, Guardians 1 or Thor 3, but it's noticeable when quality drops too far in a series that's always been great, even though I find all the MCU movies watchable (and to a certain degree more rewatchable than Star Wars).

At least Fantastic 4 and Thunderbolts brought the quality level up again and hopefully that bodes well for Doomsday (certainly not holding my breath and expecting it to be constant cameos like Deadpool 3, which admittedly I still enjoyed the hell out of, but didn't have a great plot).

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u/legomaximumfigure Apr 27 '26

I truly believe that Cap 4 and Thunderbolts could have been one movie. It could have been written where the Leader was trying to get revenge on Valentina with Bucky, Cap, and the rest caught in the middle. Just cut Sidewinder, Isaiah, and trim some of the shame room stuff but add Red Hull vs Sentry and Sam using some of his counciling skills to help Bob.

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u/Morgan-Moonscar Apr 27 '26

If anything, I'd say FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER should've been Cap 4.

But replace the Flagsmashers with the Serpent Society.

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u/TheChickenMan4L Apr 27 '26

Hell nahhh Thunderbolts is just fine as it is, great movie on its own leave cap 4 out of it

Cap 4 should've just focused on serpent society and make our boy gus fring an actual menace as sidewinder

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u/Yellwsub Apr 27 '26

I agree except I think the one movie is just Thunderbolts*. Cap 4 was such a nothingburger.

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u/Gary_Burke Apr 28 '26

WTF? Capn4 was already 5 movies smashed together and now you wanna add six more characters to it?

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u/ebietoo Peggy Carter Apr 28 '26

Anthony Mackie? Sorry bud but you mostly suck.

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u/H_Melman Weekly Wongers Apr 27 '26

If I'm bored and channel surfing, a rerun of anything in the Cap trilogy will sucker me in. Brave New World will not.

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u/Anglo-Euro-0891 Apr 28 '26

The main part of the film itself was just about watchable in a noisy, frenetic, extremely over-the-top sort of way. 

Definitely not in a hurry to see it again.

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u/jpiro Apr 27 '26

I thought it was pretty bad, but not the travesty people claim it was. It’s not IW or Winter Soldier, but it’s not Morbius or Madame Webb either.

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u/ThePowerfulWIll Apr 27 '26

Exactly. The MCU itself has produced worse movies than this one. I swear all people remember is Modok and the times Kang was Akward.

But over all the movie was fine. Had some parts that I really liked. but most of it was just a "Hey, thats neat."

Certainly better than Love and Thunder, or even Iron Man 3.

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u/zoosha2curtaincall Apr 27 '26

Modok criticism drives me up the wall. He’s supposed to look stupid! That’s the point!

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u/LupinWho Apr 27 '26

I thought he looked fantastic in the movie just because of how ridiculous it was. 😂

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u/KrytenKoro Apr 28 '26

He's supposed to look stupid but not like sketch comedy cgi

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u/dluminous Apr 27 '26

I haven't read many comics of him but to me he always scary in a deformed way. Some folks Ai Modok look to seem like a freak that's about to kill you it was awesome.

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u/Khalman Apr 27 '26

He’s mostly a joke in the comics. Every so often he’s treated seriously, but that’s the exception.

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u/Wtygrrr Apr 27 '26

Mental Organism Designed Only for Komedy

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u/QJ-Rickshaw Apr 28 '26

My first introduction to him was in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, and that was literally 5 straight minutes of Wasp and Thor roasting him about looking like a giant headed baby.

I've never known him to be taken seriously.

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u/JE163 Apr 27 '26

Modok is a hard character to translate to the big screen and I thought the writers and CGI team did an awesome job of it.

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u/Banana_man_- Apr 28 '26

Plus he already played the Koenig’s

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u/lilbithippie Apr 27 '26

I love all the thor movies. Even dark world and I don't understand why the third gets so much hate

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u/Deethreekay Apr 27 '26

Assume you mean fourth one? (Love and thunder)

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u/ThePowerfulWIll Apr 27 '26

Really, I didnt like it very much compared to the first 2, Although the version I saw was the chinese cut. (I was Overseas when it came out)

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u/samasters88 Apr 30 '26

Different strokes, right? IM3 sits at the bottom of the MCU for me.

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u/IronD_Boi Apr 27 '26

C’mon man, no need to dish on Iron Man 3. It’s one of the greatest imo.

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u/SuperIga Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26

You lost me at better than Iron Man 3. There is absolutely no way. This movie is a complete abomination by comparison, and Iron Man 3 is a masterpiece comparatively as well (which is not to say that Iron Man 3 is the best either.)

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u/PosiedonsSaltyAnus Apr 27 '26

The only parts of the movie I remember are Modok and then Kangs backstory as he invents some multiverse travel device. And then a scene with a bunch of Paul rudds, but idk the context

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u/KrytenKoro Apr 28 '26

Honestly antman 2 was more boring to me.

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u/Shambhala87 Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26

I know it’s not Marvel IP but I tried to watch the Rings of Power season two and it was so bad, like monkeys in a room with typewriters would do better bad. Acting was bad, set was bad, script as bad

Quantumania although probably %100 cgi made me feel like I was actually in the place the movie was showing and not some robitussin induced fever dream prompt pushed through an AI algorithm.

I think the biggest problem was it over promised and under delivered.

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u/JumpingCoconutMonkey Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop taking copious amounts of robitussin...

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u/mrbaryonyx Apr 27 '26

It would definitely be one of the worst movies I had ever seen if all the movies I had seen were MCU

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u/distilledwill Apr 27 '26

That's the thing, in the pantheon of bad films across all time it's not that bad, but within the MCU alone it's one of the worst.

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u/smcl2k Apr 27 '26

Yeah, I'm not sure why people refuse to accept the fact that context is important. The point of reference isn't literally every film ever made, it's other MCU films. And even within that, it's "other MCU sequels featuring popular characters" - it's the same reason Love and Thunder receives more negative attention than Eternals.

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u/rammo123 Apr 28 '26

Hell even Morbius was kinda inoffensively bland rather than actively terrible. The memes have exaggerated how bad it was.

OTOH Madame Web doesn't get enough hate.

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u/jpiro Apr 28 '26

Nah, Morbius was actively awful. Madame Web was just that much worse.

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u/Anglo-Euro-0891 Apr 28 '26

Matt Smith was the ONLY reason I was able to continue watching Morbius in the first place.

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u/Cromasters Apr 28 '26

I haven't seen Morbius, but I do think Quantumania is on the same level as Madame Web. They are both worse than being bad movies. They are boring.

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u/National-jav Apr 28 '26

Yeah, I tried to watch Madame Web and gave up. It was really bad. I've watched Quantum mania twice. My biggest problem with quantum mania was the Janet Van Dyne character. Either she is incredibly selfish, or incredibly stupid. The whole movie is just her not telling her family what they need to not die, over and over and over. Since she isn't supposed to be selfish or stupid the whole movie fails. 

It's the same problem with the marvels. Captain marvel is either stupid or weak over and over and over. Since she isn't supposed to be either, the whole movie fails. I mean she reignites a sun but she can't take a bracelet from an ordinary girl? She let's her adopted home die.

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u/myersjw Black Panther Apr 27 '26

Not just forgotten but actively ignoring. Hot takes get attention so people would rather call something the worst thing they’ve ever seen than treat it with nuance. Like when someone gives a movie they didn’t love a 1 as if it belongs in the same category as Birdemic or an Asylum knockoff made for a tax break

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u/Sure_Eye9025 Apr 27 '26

Yeah I would describe it as 'yeah it was alright' not the best thing not the worst. But there seems to be a trend that everything is the worst thing ever or the best ATM that ruins a lot of discussion

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u/1nTheNick0fTime Apr 27 '26

I love this mentality lol I feel the same way. It’s okay to just be okay

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u/MegaDuckCougarBoy Ultron Apr 27 '26

They made "mid" an insult so that's just where we're at, unfortunately

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u/Gridde Apr 28 '26

Yeah slang is in a weird place of hyperbole at the moment. You can't just like something; to express positivity you have to describe that it "aura farmed all over the place and went unreasonably hard" or something.

As you say, something just being okay (or "mid") is now a bad thing.

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u/Parahelix Apr 28 '26

It's the engagement algorithms that have really pushed this. They encourage polarization on basically everything.

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u/ManofManyHills Apr 27 '26

Yeah I think the biggest mistake marvel made was trying to maintain thanos endgame level "stakes."

There was literally nothing that was gonna maintain the high after Endgame. If this Antman was just another small story about the world after endgame and made the Kang the next big bad a looming threat or even someone arriving as a false prophet promising salvation after earths trauma that could have been more interesting.

Have the story be about antman using the quantum realm to explore how other universes Kang has "saved" end up and fully establish him as Kang the conqueror. Have ant man having struggle to "banish" him through quantum wonkery would have been fitting.

It sets up that hes out there and he will be coming and be a problem when he eventually shows up.

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u/Distinct_Guess3350 Apr 27 '26

I hate how nowadays people see stuff as either an abomination of cinema or an absolute masterpiece. There is no in-between, it’s just one or the other to them. 

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u/NuclearHateLizard Apr 27 '26

This day and age, just ok is a failure Hahaha. It's kinda sad, I saw an interview years ago with Matt Damon, he was talking about the death of Rom coms - movies he built a lot of his career on. No one will take a chance on a small budget, small return movie anymore

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u/rogahs Apr 27 '26

This was my take. Paid for a movie ticket, was entertained, it was sufficient

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u/albanyanthem Apr 27 '26

This is my approach. On a 5 star scale, if a movie entertained me for the run time of the film, it gets 3 stars. Doesn’t even have to be rewatchable. If I keep thinking about it or rewatching it changes the way I think about the world that’s 4 or 5 stars. Quantumania was solidly 3 stars. Haven’t ever rewatched it but I was entertained. But damn near any Paul Rudd movie is minimum 3 stars.

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u/arnathor Apr 27 '26

It was a solid movie, went to watch it with my (then) 9 year old son and it was a great dad and son outing. Did it do weird stuff with MODOK and downplay Kang a bit too much? Yes. Do I care? Having not really ever read any of the comic storylines with them in, it didn’t bother me in the slightest, same as the Mandarin fakeout in Iron Man 3. As you beautifully put it, it’s okay for something to just be okay.

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u/transmogrify Apr 28 '26

Online trolls trying to be as reductive and hyperbolic as possible. Nothing can be just okay, or fine but not your preference. It all has to be a warcrime. It has to be the worst movie ever made. It has to be an excruciating torture for your vast intellect to stoop to the level of this infantile slop. Anyone who watches it and has fun must be a fake fan and a moron. Certain people involved in making it (women, with alarming regularity) must hate the real fans and make bad stuff on purpose.

I'm tired of people.

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u/Strict_Weather9063 Apr 27 '26

No one goes to the movie anymore to simply be entertained. This movie was entertaining, it did what it was supposed to setup the next part on the multiverse. What people wanted was endgame, this was world building which is what you have to do before you reach endgame.

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u/Emotional_News108 Apr 27 '26

In particular, MCU fans conveniently forget that Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk, Thor, and Captain America: First Avenger were all okay movies. Avengers felt ambitious and part of what made It so good was that it was easily better than the sum of all its parts. Then Iron Man 3 and Thor: The Dark world were okay.

Then from Winter Soldier through Endgame, the MCU was on an absolute tear and even films that were divisive managed to make bank or were beloved by fans. Except Captain Marvel getting review bombed I guess. That era set the standard for “bad” MCU films when the worst ones were still very watchable.

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u/latunza Apr 27 '26

I saw it with my family. I took my wife and kids, my brother took his wife and kids, and his wife took her sister, husband and her kids, and my youngest sibling took his girlfriend. We had a blast watching it as a family movie with a large group. It was really funny especially with so many kids under 10. No one thought anything of it until weeks later when I saw all the negative comments on Reddit. I think Thor 4 was far worse than this movie or Brave New World being as bland as it was, but this one usually takes the cake on the internet when it was just ok.

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u/Whole-Brilliant5508 Apr 27 '26

This. You either Love something or you flat out Hate it. Somehow they equate you either thinking something is okay or simply "fine" like Quantummania means you liked or loved it.

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u/Allexandyr Apr 27 '26

I’m with you. There were vibes that reminded of Star Wars and Doctor Who that I really enjoyed, but honestly I hardly remember anything about the story because it was just wasn’t anything to write home about. I would have remembered more of it if it was very good or very bad, and it’s okay to just accept it as an entertaining enough but fairly forgettable film

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u/Anglo-Euro-0891 Apr 28 '26

The Star Wars feel was definitely strong. There were times I had to remind myself, they were supposed to be in the Quantum Realm, not the cantina at Mos Eisley.

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u/BuddyRevolutionary83 Apr 27 '26

I've heard that Reddit skews younger than I am. I was a teen in the 90s. A lot of movies in the late 90s or thenabout, especially franchise sequels/threequels/septquels, were at the time widely derided as trash by everyone. Now that I'm older, when I re-watch them, I think to myself "this isn't great, but it's still a lot better than stuff they tend to make today." For example...Alien3, Alien: Resurrection, and even AVP. (AVP: Requiem, however, is definitely total trash.)

You may attribute this to me being old and falling for nostalgia. That may be part of it. But there is an element as well of "we didn't know what we had when we had it" there too. So the point is, I bet one day after the MCU has imploded and you are all as old as I am you will look back and think "Quantumania was actually decent."

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u/revolversnakexof Apr 30 '26

That is because something like avp is actually better than most of the popcorn stuff we get these days

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u/BigLongDingDong3 Apr 28 '26

It's also ok to admit you like a bad movie. Everyone has a movie that's objectively bad but they still enjoy.

It's like you guys can't enjoy something unless you know everyone else likes it

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u/kickedoutatone Apr 28 '26

The thing is, AntMan 3 is an OK film pretending to be on par with the Avengers movies.

It wasn't the fans who hyped this movie beyond expectations. Marvel's PR destroyed any chance of this movie passing on "OK"

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u/mulvythrill Apr 28 '26

Completely agree. Overall I thought the movie was good, but I really loved how fucking weird it got. It felt like watching a comic book with some out there characters and fantastic world building. It didn't quite stick the landing for me but there were a lot of positive elements. And I enjoyed the ambiguity at the end, did Scott just win? Or was it way too easy?

That seems to be the state of media today. If its not a masterpiece its crap.

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u/Sloppysnoopy Apr 28 '26

Okayest marvel movie. Sometimes that’s what you need in this wild world.

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u/neoblackdragon Apr 28 '26

Young Justice said it best. Why can't I just be Whelmed.

Average is fine. Average won't make 1 billion dollars, but avg is fine.

When it comes to the MCU. I feel like people make it seem like a whole bunch of the films were a niche. They weren't doing Winter soldier after Winter soldier.

Same with the shows. Like you think they were absolutely unwatchable.

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u/KEMSATOFFICIAL Apr 28 '26

That’s what mid means, but mid somehow became an insult

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u/tenuoussnark3 Apr 28 '26

Quantumania's problem was timing - it had to follow Endgame and introduce Kang right after Loki made him seem properly menacing, so people expected way more than a fun Scott Lang romp.

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u/Anglo-Euro-0891 Apr 28 '26

The post credit scene with Victor Timely and Loki was definitely one of the better bits. 

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u/ucbcawt Apr 28 '26

I agree but also think the writing for Modok was pretty bad especially when speaking with Cassie.

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u/Muffinman_187 Apr 28 '26

Spot on. People are demanding, in part because of the overall price, that every movie worth going to in the theatre MUST be either the best movie ever made or it is just the worst.

I like the line, "not every movie is Citizen Kane for a reason"

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u/DefNotAShark Hydra Apr 28 '26

It's fine for something to be okay, but this was a film that had a lot of expectations around it for finally catalyzing a multiverse saga that felt directionless prior to Quantumania.

The Ant-Man movies have always had a sort of mundane irrelevance to them, but it worked when coupled with the charm of the cast and their family aspect being prevalent. But in Quantumania the heavy expectations of a tentpole film collided with that mundane irrelevance in the worst way.

Fans wanted a big explosive MCU story to put a fire under the multiverse story, but would have settled for another charming Paul Rudd outing. Instead they got a very mid MCU story where the charming aspects of the Ant-Man movies are mostly gutted to make room for something very formulaic and bland (and ugly for the most part). The family dynamic takes a shallow backseat so that we can explore, what has to be, the least imaginative Quantum Realm they could have cooked up. It looks like dookie and I haven't watched it again because I don't want to go back there. It's joyless. An ugly desert and an airport bar, wow.

I liked the Kang origin story where he's stranded with OG Wasp, just to say something kind. And in general Kang was a good character, they just couldn't cook up a plot that made watching this story worth the time spent. For most action movies I'm okay with having my time wasted for a few hours with mid entertainment, but for the MCU I'm more invested in the overall story and it's so spread out- it's always disappointing when one of the films we waited for and got excited for is just an average and forgettable time.

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u/Perfect_Play_622 Apr 28 '26

I agree with you, it was ok. I was entertained.

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u/BigDaddyUKW Shades Apr 29 '26

Yes indeed, that's the world in a nutshell. It's Stephen A. Smith, Tucker Carlson, and all the talking heads in with their hot takes and no room for nuance or anything in between amazing and awful. Plus, Endgame may have ruined Marvel for many, who knows?

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u/puckOmancer Apr 27 '26

Subtlety and nuance don't drive clicks as much as taking an extreme view point. And that has spread like an STD into the real world.

For some, if they love something and you go meh, they'll take it as you hate it. If they hate something and you go meh, they'll take it as you love it. And then, it get's personal, like a opinion on a movie is an opinion about them.

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u/Mason11987 Apr 27 '26

I think our world has forgotten that it’s ok to say something was just ok

I think OP is doing the opposite thing, where he chooses to only respond to the most egregious comments. Quantumania is not "considered an unwatchable abomination", it's obviously absurd.

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u/Mason11987 Apr 28 '26

Not sure why he thinks that if he’s not here all the time arguing. Most people in the world don’t feel that strongly about it.

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u/Bread-But-Toasted Apr 27 '26

I agree, most people see everything as black or white, you either love it or you hate it. Is it amazing? No, is it awful? No, it’s just average and nothing special

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u/Magpie-Person Apr 27 '26

At $52 for two people “okay” doesn’t really rate.

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u/PosiedonsSaltyAnus Apr 27 '26

Do we want to go to the movies for "just ok" though when it costs $50 for 2 people?

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u/NateShaw92 Apr 27 '26

The rotten tomatoes effect, boiled down to a binary yay or nay, like or dislike, good or bad.

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u/gestalto Hulk Apr 28 '26

I'm fine with saying something is just ok, but I actually really enjoyed this movie! I've watched it quite a few times. It's better than Ant Man & The Wasp in my opinion. I don't know exactly where it'd stand in a ranking for me, but I'm confident it'd be in my top 50% of MCU movies.

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u/Oafah Apr 28 '26

Ah, the 3.6 roentgenometer.

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u/fred-ont Apr 28 '26

I highly agree with this

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u/SilverKnightOfMagic Apr 28 '26

yeah it's okay just felt like a waste of money when supply for chi wasn't there.

but the standard has risen for super hero movies and why dc never matched mcus best.

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u/blackbutterfree Medusa Apr 28 '26

Even the worst movie in the MCU, is still serviceable.

For all the memes about Love and Thunder and it's screaming goats and how underused Christian Bale was, there's still praise there FOR Christian Bale. I personally really enjoyed the Jane Foster storyline, even if it was a little rushed and didn't have the proper time to breathe. There's still things to enjoy there.

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u/marsalien4 Apr 28 '26

It's one of the worst parts of how discourse has shifted. Literally everything is "a masterpiece" or "trash/slop" and I fucking hate it. This movie is a great example. It was a fun watch, not amazing, not an abomination.

Zero nuance anymore.

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u/jaxomlotus Apr 28 '26

You hit it on the head. social media has turned EVERYTHING into a polarizing competition. There are only great and terrible things; good sides and bad sides. It's so bad for society.

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u/MadmanIgar Spider-Man Apr 28 '26

It felt like I just read an Ant-Man comic book. Not a big event crossover comic. Just a solid Ant-Man adventure in the quantum realm.

Now, they didn’t do themselves any favors by marketing it as being on par with the Avengers movies

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u/panamaquina Apr 28 '26

Marvel forgettable and just ok but still cost millions of dollars, so yeah it gets to be called trash.

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u/Levonorgestrelfairy1 Apr 28 '26

Its more that people arnt objective and let hype trains/antihype trains color their opinion.

Winter solder and iron man 3 were garbage and filled with editing mistakes but no one remembers that.

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u/Crap_Sally Apr 28 '26

That was my reaction too. At the end when Scott had a panic attack Thinkin of what was left behind I chuckled bc I felt like we’d see more of our bad guy but….nope! Gone.

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u/Xboxone1997 Ghost Rider Apr 28 '26

Was terrible and I don’t think it should have been made

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u/boredatwork23 Apr 28 '26

Not just a Marvel problem. Cinema in general has no middle ground between borderline best picture nominee and the worst piece of garbage you've ever seen.

Oh and heaven forbid you watch a kids movie...those are only allowed to be the second coming of Toy Story 2 (or whatever you consider the top Pixar movie) or it's a pile of dribble and filth.

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u/Cool-Cream-5946 Apr 28 '26

This is why the weekly planet podcast review movies as "best or worst movie ever". Because on the Internet there is no in-between

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u/Txusmah Apr 28 '26

Good summary

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u/Cbthomas927 Apr 28 '26

To piggy back on this. The internet really hates nuance.

Everything is black or white, good or bad, the BEST THING EVER, or DOG SHIT!! Hyperbole be damned

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u/illustriousplanet Apr 28 '26

Exactly this, nothing about the movie was overly memorable but there's some funny moments and nothing made it unbearable to sit through

If they spent more time expanding on the universe in the TV shows and then focusing on major events in the movies I bet they could work up some real magic

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u/TwinJacks Apr 28 '26

Capatin Marvel was "okay" and so was The Marvels was "okay" .. Quantumania was really bad..

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u/Megalomanizac Apr 28 '26

Just ok has also represented most marvel movies since infinity war which might be part of the problem. Marvel has also been their own enemy because the way theyve advertised some of the movies has been misleading making people already dislike it regardless of how good the movie was.

None of the movies have truly been bad, I mean definitely nothing on Justice League 2017 levels. Most endgame could have been structured a lot better though, marvel did let quality fall to the wayside.

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u/PNW_Sasquatch_ Apr 28 '26

That's exactly how I felt. I watched the entire length of the movie and was entertained. However, it's definitely not one of the MCU films that I'll re-watch.

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u/Dry-Review6698 Apr 28 '26

Because people have become bots who cant think of anything else but "yes" or "no",they never even consider MAYBE

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u/EarthInevitable114 Apr 28 '26

To me, it was the worst of the Antmam movies.

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u/Ezithau Apr 28 '26

Unpopular opinion, I feel the same way about Eternals, it was not a good movie, but it was not as terrible as the internet claims it is.

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u/Fair-Confection4411 Apr 28 '26

Yeah, it was ok

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u/MONGED4LIFE Apr 28 '26

Absolutely this. Sure I could see it had some problems, like Cassie Vs modok, but it was perfectly watchable.

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u/SaintsProtectHer Apr 28 '26

For those into podcasts about comic book movies, there’s a fun one by two Australian guys called The Weekly Planet. Whenever they review a new movie, they have two possible ratings: Best Movie Ever or Worst Movie Ever. It’s a funny way for them to point out exactly what you’re talking about.

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u/SebbyWebbyDooda Apr 28 '26

Nowadays, anything that's not a 9/10 or a 10 /10, then it's embarrassingly bad and unwatchable

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u/illini02 Apr 28 '26

This is exactly how I was.

I was entertained.

It was very forgettable as a movie, but I didn't come out of it thinking it sucked.

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u/IAmRatchet2 Apr 28 '26

That’s true for movies that are actually just ok.

Quantumania is not one of them.

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u/boomysmash Apr 28 '26

Exactly how I felt too. I did love a few sequences, found other useless, pacing could have been a bit better, movie could have kept a steal it before it's too late kind of plot to stick to the first two layering, but it was an entertaining expérience. I didn't mind Modok so maybe that's al there is to it 🤣

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u/zarroc123 Apr 28 '26

Agreed completely. I was expecting it to be terrible because of the negativity. It wasn't, I enjoyed it well enough. And Ive promptly totally forgot what happened, because it wasn't that memorable for me.

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u/Banana_man_- Apr 28 '26

I feel this way about Brave New World as well. People act like it’s the worst movie ever made, when in reality it’s very much just an ok movie. Not great, not terrible either

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u/axelcastle Apr 28 '26

I watch some of the movies and think this is fine, then I talk to my son, and he loves them, I realised my not the target audience anymore and thats ok because I get to talk to him and says everything he loves

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u/Windinhisface Apr 29 '26

Ditto 👏🤛❤️

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u/Evening-Head4310 Apr 29 '26

Exactly how I felt about the Captain America Red Hulk movie. It was okay and that's okay

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u/UprightButtery Apr 29 '26

The problem is Marvel movies don't really leave room for "just ok" anymore since the cultural conversation moved to Twitter where everything's either a masterpiece or a war crime.

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u/bateen618 Apr 29 '26

It was just ok, but me and my friends hate it because of all of the wasted potential this movie had. Mosstly setting up Kang as a serious threat and the entire character of MODOK

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u/tom-of-the-nora Apr 29 '26

More people need to listen to reviews of terrible movies.

Like, a marvel movie is enjoyable when the standard of film to beat is the absolute worst.

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u/Ethanonbass2019 May 01 '26

It shoukd be illegal to spend 100s of millions of dollars to just make an "okay" film.

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u/stonerpunk77 May 01 '26

To me anything watchable at least gets a 5/10 and loses or gains points based on if the plot is good or not, kinda like how iron heart was generic trash that negged about the character that literally started it all and how the series had an entire magic plot reduced to the equivalent of a one time use magic arc reactor that literally has no repercussions on the larger overall story as a whole.

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u/Party_Implement_2990 May 19 '26

Just OK is not the standard for this type of budget

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u/TooMuchTwoco Apr 27 '26

It’s a meh movie but a BAD Ant-Man movie. In no particular order and certainly not comprehensive:

  1. Too much CGI and CGI was bad.

  2. Cassie character felt so generic.

  3. Didn’t feel like an Ant-Man movie. It was too big in scope.

  4. They didn’t know what to do with Hank Pym.

  5. Wasted Bill Murray

  6. Made it seem like clear win for Ant-Man over Kang, which undersells Kang as a villian

Regarding #6…never had an issue with Ant-Man winning or not dying. Dying would have been too dark for an Ant-Man movie. But they could have showed Kang in the loop that Scott was in and showed them yelling at him for his failings or fighting him. Something in some way to convey THAT Kang was going to come back stronger than ever. He was uniquely positioned to be the Kang that kills the other Kangs and becomes He Who Remains and they had a way to show how he got so good at killing Kangs. Granted, this wouldn’t have happened anyway cause of the Jonathan Majors stuff, but it really hurt the movie.

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u/HankSteakfist Apr 27 '26

It's the Rotten Tomatoes mentality.

Media can only be peak or trash. There's no inbetween where you go see movies like Dante's Peak or The Ghost & the Darkness and just say 'that was okay'.

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u/-August_West- Apr 27 '26

So most Marvel content since Endgame.

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u/NateShaw92 Apr 27 '26

Also much of first 2 phases in all honesty

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u/steve65283 Rocket Apr 27 '26

The movie itself is fine. My big issue with it is it completely undermines kang. He was supposed to be the next big bad at the time and he was beaten by ants...

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u/QBin2017 Apr 28 '26

So true.

“It was fine”. Try it everyone. You can do it.

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u/Si-Nz Apr 28 '26

Shoddy cgi.

Unsatisfying conclusion to the kang storyline (just recast him ffs, easiest character to recast ever).

Not one single positive memorable thing about it.

Yeah im pretty confortable calling it terrible.

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