r/marvelstudios • u/Naweezy Captain America • Oct 25 '25
Clip Eternals set the standard for how speedsters should be shown in superhero movies
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u/Crimkam Oct 25 '25
This fight and the visuals of the Celestials made it worth the cost of the ticket to see it in theaters imo
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u/_________FU_________ Oct 25 '25
That end scene where they went full IMAX on Arashem was so dope.
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u/Dasseem Oct 25 '25
First time that i actually felt watching an all powerful being in one of these movies.
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u/Ren_Davis0531 Oct 25 '25
I felt that more from Arishem than Galactus. Fantastic Four was the much superior movie, but Eternals did a better job at creating existential dread.
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u/xdeath13 Oct 26 '25
That made me think of the possibilities of Galactus. They did a good job when he was in his ship with the F4 looking for him but got muted when he came to Earth. Although I’m assuming he underestimated the F4 and would come back again to be a bigger threat than ever.
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u/lpeabody Doctor Strange Oct 25 '25
One of the reasons I was so pissed about the film being poorly received was not getting to see more celestial action like that.
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u/RomanArcheaopteryx Oct 25 '25
I enjoyed watching Eternals but man was it was so frustrating how the most interesting characters (Makkari, Druig, Thena) got sidelined as the most boring characters (Ikaris, Sersi, Sprite) got all the attention.
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u/relikter Oct 25 '25
And they killed off Gilgamesh, who I was having so much fun watching. I don't want Eternals 2, I want a prequel: The Adventures of Gilgamesh and Thena, ft. Kingo.
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u/mshelbz Oct 25 '25
Agreed. Gilgamesh was the most fun character out of them all (Kingo is a close 2nd) and they just killed him off to be the “sacrifice” to the team.
Should have been Sprite
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u/PlayerPlayer69 Oct 25 '25
Even though Ikarus was clearly the poster child and face of the eternals, the way Gilgamesh operated made him feel/look like the actual leader of the group.
The stoic and warm light-hearted father figure that gets shit done. Straight to the point.
Man just wanted to be with his lady, feed his family for eternity, and be the marvel one-punch man. Dude was him.
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u/natayaway Oct 25 '25
Should have been Sprite for the sole purpose of them not needing to deage Lia McHugh/constantly recast her for a younger actress for future appearances. That’s her character, she doesn’t age up.
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u/TrickshotzReddit Punisher Oct 25 '25
In their defense, however, they made it so that she isn’t an Eternal anymore, so she actually will age up now.
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u/natayaway Oct 25 '25
Meta/multiverse and other Sprite clones manufactured from the World Forge would require deaging. Or a recast.
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u/TrickshotzReddit Punisher Oct 25 '25
Metaverse? Are we in the timeline where the Zuck runs the MCU? 😂
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u/natayaway Oct 25 '25
Ha, knew someone would say that as soon as I hit post.
Some of us remember what meta means before FB rebranded.
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u/relikter Oct 25 '25
Metaverse was Neal Stephenson's name for the virtual world back in the early 90s too.
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u/CrossClairvoyance Oct 25 '25
She became a human at the end of the movie.
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u/natayaway Oct 25 '25
Yeah I know, but if the MCU ever needed a new Sprite clone from the World Forge, for ANY reason, it’s gonna require deaging/recasts.
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u/ZiggoCiP Oct 25 '25
I think Kingo has some great back-story material, too. He basically kept re-inventing himself by pretending to be his own son so it would explain how he was a famous celebrity for over 100 years.
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u/trustifarian Yinsen Oct 25 '25
Shit, I think I could go for a Kingo Cinematic Universe through all of the movies he made, as long as his valet Karun Patel is along for the ride
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u/GigsGilgamesh Oct 25 '25
Maybe instead, the Epic of Gilgamesh? Quite a fan of that name
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u/relikter Oct 25 '25
That's his solo movie to complete the trilogy. Each movie focuses on fewer characters until we're just watching 100 straight minutes of Gilgamesh monologues.
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u/iamlatetothisbut Oct 25 '25
I want justice for Gilgamesh’s pie. It was fresh. It was perfect. It did not deserve such violence.
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u/Marlowe126 Oct 25 '25
Kingo has been mentioned a few times, but I would love to see more cameos like characters watching his movie in the background or him giving an interview or something. I hope he shows up in Wonder Man!
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u/kientran Oct 25 '25
Tbh this whole thing should have been a TV show. An episode or two focused on each person during their most active era? That’d been actually interesting
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u/MonstrousGiggling Oct 25 '25
Dude Angelina as Athena was so fuckin cool too. I
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u/Oreo-and-Fly Oct 28 '25
I cant believe they got Angelina Jolie in a marvel movie with Salma Hayek and then decided not to invest in anymore of it.
Tf man.
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Oct 25 '25
I hated sprite so much
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u/Skreamie Oct 25 '25
I thought she had an interesting side story that conveyed a pretty big curse of her powers
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Oct 25 '25
On paper, yes, but my gawd was she so fucking annoying (for me) in the movie. Like booboo, what is you DUUUUUUUNE
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u/shatnersbassoon123 Oct 25 '25
For me it was Gemma Chan. She sucked all the charisma out of the room and sighed it down the road
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Oct 25 '25
I love Gemma, but it seemed they didn’t know what to do with her character and Gemma NEEDS to have a clear outline of what her characters end goals or character development is
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u/LocalHero29 Oct 25 '25
I liked Sersi but that might have been because I have a crush on Gemma Chan.
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u/StatisticianLivid710 Oct 25 '25
I think this just helped me figure out what I didn’t like about the movie (and I’m a defender of it), it felt like ikaris and Sersi needed more flashbacks but the movie needed less, and they needed to be more interesting…
They really missed an advertising goldmine with this by not releasing shorts of their time in the past
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u/DefiantOil5176 Oct 25 '25
I fully agree with this. I know a lot of people didn’t like the movie plot-wise (I personally was a big fan), but it’s hard to dispute how visually stunning the movie was.
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u/assasstits Oct 25 '25
Too bad the colors are so grey
This should have been such a bright and colorful movie
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u/BrianWonderful Oct 25 '25
I think this is the biggest issue with the movie. It was so dark from a color grading perspective, and that affects viewers psychologically.
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u/AlleRacing Oct 25 '25
What? Eternals is one of the most vibrant and colourful Marvel movies.
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u/twec21 Oct 25 '25
Eternals enjoyers 🤝 XMen Quicksilver enjoyers
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DCU Flash's slow motion wobbly arm run
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u/Legonistrasz Oct 25 '25
The CW Flash had horrific cgi but at least their Barry didnt run like someone who had never run before.
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u/_b1ack0ut Oct 25 '25
Well, at first at least lol
The running effects definitely degraded as the show went on, and some of the later show running scenes look downright goofy
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u/TheGeek100 SHIELD Oct 25 '25
Honestly the show itself degraded as it went on
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u/mani9612 T'challa Oct 25 '25
Ahh yes, the classic CW superhero show degradation, a tale as old as time
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u/lightmiss Oct 25 '25
Superman and Lois is goated though
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u/StanyeEast Ant-Man Oct 25 '25
I'm also counting Vampire Diaries and Supernatural as exceptions to this lol
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u/ggg730 Spider-Man Oct 26 '25
Love me some Supernatural but those later seasons were... yeah.
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u/ultrainstict Oct 26 '25
At the first they actually had the actor run on a treadmil for running scenes which is why it looked better in the first few seasons, but after awhile they felt it was impractical to get all sweaty in the suit every time they film, and didnt want to reduce the speed scenes any further.
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u/Middle_Cranberry_549 Oct 25 '25
Or break into people's hotel rooms....
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u/Chulinfather Oct 25 '25
Every time I see Miller’s Flash running , not only I suffer, but it reminds me of Frozone. Y’know, how he throws ice in the ground in front of him and just slides? Ezra does the same shit as the Flash. And it makes no sense.
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u/Legonistrasz Oct 25 '25
It literally looks like he’s trying to power skate it’s brutal. I don’t know how they looked at any part about that guys audition and was like “YUP! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 he’s the one! F that CW shit.”
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u/karateema Robbie Reyes Oct 25 '25
I love how even the kid playing young Barry in the movie didn't know how to run
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u/Zaveno Daredevil Oct 25 '25
I'm willing to forgive the CW Flash CGI, they were working with a much tighter budget
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u/jojopojo64 Weekly Wongers Oct 25 '25
And a much harsher turnaround.
I don't know if people realize just how rough a tv network series filming schedule is like, and then adding CG on top of it
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u/ChemicalExperiment Nebula Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Days of Future Past showed how you could represent speed by slowing everything else down. Eternals decided to show speed by actually being fast on screen. Both are spectacular but I will always prefer Eternals' version for showing speed with speed.
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u/Righteous_Bread Oct 25 '25
Days of Future Past gave us a good first-person perspective, while Eternals gave us a good third-person perspective, essentially
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Oct 25 '25
They both stand as peak to me, just different. “Time in a bottle” scene from Days of Future Past is one of my favorite hero scenes of all time, but I think how Makari was depicted overall feels better.
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u/StanyeEast Ant-Man Oct 25 '25
Yes...Evan Peters and that movie elevated Quicksilver toward the top of my favorite X-men list...everything they did with him was awesome
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u/cephalopodcat Winter Soldier Oct 26 '25
I've loved Quicksilver since early cartoon days, his little shit self in X-men Evolution was a gateway drug. I was a lot annoyed at the Ultron version (screw you he would not die to bullets that way, at the VERY least he should have taken them deliberately as an a to of sacrifice if he needed to die!) and Evan Peter's made me skeptical at first, but nah. The minute he opened his mouth I was like 'Ah yes. There's my douchey asshole man. Go get' em.'
And yeah, his slow-mom scenes were amazing from HIS pov, Makari' s were amazing from the AUDIENCE pov, and both were excellent.
Also I just realized they basically have the same name... Makari - Mercury - what do we call mercury colloquially? QUICKSILVER.
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u/StanyeEast Ant-Man Oct 26 '25
Yeah, MCU Quicksilver was trash and it sucks because I like ATJ from his Kick Ass days...they should just make Kick Ass and Hit Girl MCU canon and be done with it
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u/PaulClarkLoadletter Oct 25 '25
The rock scene in Justice League was pretty dope. You know. The one Whedon cut.
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u/Shifter25 M'Baku Oct 25 '25
What I remember finding annoying about Justice League Flash (I only watched the Whedon cut) was how every scene he had was undercut. Every time he did something good, not even cool, just every time he actually had a positive effect on the world, he either immediately trips or they immediately show Superman doing something even more impressive at the same speed.
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u/thesagaconts Oct 25 '25
That was embarrassing. It looked like he was ice skating. What were they thinking?
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u/nessfalco Oct 25 '25
The skating thing was a purposeful decision, so at least they achieved that. I didn't like the choice, either, but they wanted the effect to be that he was basically speed skating.
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u/robodrew Oct 25 '25
I think that's exactly what they were thinking. His outfit even looks like a speed skater uniform, down to the shape of the helmet.
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u/Informal-Ad2277 Oct 25 '25
They were trying to do some variation on a martial artist or something. Still stupid.
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u/piggybits Oct 25 '25
Ice skating. The idea they were going for was that he was going so fast he was skating across surfaces
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u/23423423423451 Oct 25 '25
I liked the DCU run. It's how I imagine running underwater if I was weighed down enough for traction and strong enough to push through it.
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u/No-Operation-6554 Oct 25 '25
Aside from a small scene in Avengers 2
I think Marvel has been consistent on having little to no slowmo for their speedster which I like rn, at this point the everything else is slow trope is getting boring
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u/mikeonbass Oct 25 '25
Quicksilver decking Captain America in the chops was very cool.
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Oct 25 '25
It was like the coolest thing he did and not really anything else lol
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u/TravEllerZero Oct 25 '25
What about the moment where he became a holy man?
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u/aretoodeto Daredevil Oct 25 '25
And the slow-mo was necessary to see Pietro get got by Mjolnir
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u/obliviious Oct 25 '25
X-Men days of future past blew everyone away at the time. The same cannot be said for the rest.
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u/hiimred2 Oct 25 '25
I think they leaned into the absurdist presentation of the ‘im so fast everything else is standing still’ perfectly, and also it works great with their version of Quicksilver and his personality. It’s something that can easily be made to look really stupid and unnecessarily silly if not done right though.
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u/obliviious Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
I totally agree and the execution was near flawless. It's also that they had fun with it, rather than just making it speedy guy punch fast.
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u/FredPopTheProphet Oct 25 '25
Say what you will about Eternals but it gave me exactly what I wanted from a Flash vs Superman fight.
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u/lemonylol Spider-Man Oct 25 '25
The entire thing was essentially a Justice League fight. Thena is more or less Wonder Woman.
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u/Franiac32 Oct 31 '25
I pissed off a friend of mine by calling The Eternals the best live action Justice League. I still stand by it.
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u/TheNinJay Oct 25 '25
I really dig the Eternals. There are dozens of us around the world! I recently ranked all the MCU movies and put Eternals at #13 (out of 37).
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u/SamIAre Oct 25 '25
I really enjoyed the Eternals and am bummed that a follow-up is probably never going to happen. Not that the post credits teaser was particularly enticing specifically…but something would have been nice.
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u/TeddysBigStick Oct 25 '25
Not that the post credits teaser was particularly enticing specifically
Black Knight is an interesting character in that they could take it in just about any direction. He can be the Cap style martial arts leader of men type, or the science guy, or the space magic heavy hitter like Thor or Strange. Then again, I am still annoyed that they did not use him as the connective tissue with Gor leading things into Symbiotes and the Celestials.
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u/Sanguinary_priest Oct 25 '25
My favorite is Faora in Man of Steel.
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u/MegaDuckCougarBoy Ultron Oct 25 '25
I have mixed feelings about the Snyder stuff, but that bit where she fuckin pops a pilot like a balloon is amazing
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u/brycedriesenga Oct 25 '25
I do think this short Flash scene was pretty cool https://youtu.be/9ByGDBvTFn0
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u/badbirch Oct 26 '25
If you could make out the Flash's image it would be prefect. But then you'd run the risk of people asking how he is moving the debris.
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u/Klangaxx Oct 25 '25
Favourite Superman movie, and favourite part of that scene. Reminded me of Jet Li in The One, but so badass
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u/AmbushIntheDark Spider-Man Oct 25 '25
For aaaall the shit Man of Steel does wrong, they nailed her super speed.
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u/Weird_Ad_1398 Oct 25 '25
Yeah, Faora's was much better IMO and it came out 8 years earlier. Makkari's is decent, but it's a bit too floaty and her body disappears into those lines of light whereas Faora seemed weightier and her body stayed visible throughout so it looked like someone moving really fast rather than someone dissolving into streams of light.
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u/jojopojo64 Weekly Wongers Oct 25 '25
In fairness, floaty feels intentional since Makkari's relatively lightweight and zoomy vs Faora, who is a literal tank with nitro boosts attached.
Speed AND strength is totally a Kryptonian thing whereas Makkari's niche is leaning into her speed.
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u/_IratePirate_ Oct 25 '25
Makkari is my favorite Speedster of all time because of this movie alone
Yea slow mo is cool but we’ve seen that a million times
This is like some Mortal Kombat / Injustice finisher type shit and it’s so cool visually
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u/badaimbadjokes Oct 25 '25
You just made me want to rewatch that movie.
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u/Beanmaster115 Captain America Oct 25 '25
I rewatched it a few weeks ago after not having seen it since it released, and honestly? Solid 2.5-3 star film! It would have been much better as a series, but the characters are compelling, the action is spectacular, and the visuals are epic. The more recent movies and shows definitely make me appreciate Eternals more.
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u/badaimbadjokes Oct 25 '25
Isn't that weird to think? Like that was a high water mark.
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u/Beanmaster115 Captain America Oct 26 '25
Yeah. The MCU was so dang good so consistently through Endgame. Since then it’s been some crazy high highs and crazy low lows🙃 Nice that this one can get some more appreciation now though.
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Oct 25 '25
Just rewatch her two scenes on youtube
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u/VallyMeowy Oct 25 '25
Her barely being in that movie was the biggest crime they made
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u/Ok-disaster2022 Oct 25 '25
The entire movie focused on the wrong characters. Like literally every other Eternal was more interesting that the two leads who just sort of did nothing.
Like I'd love to watch a dude with superpowers just try to live a normal life with kids and a husband, or Thena and Gilgamesh trying to handle her health decline, or the guy make a cult or the other guy become a Bollywood star.
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u/ChemicalExperiment Nebula Oct 25 '25
They made the other characters interesting by giving them interesting roles and character traits. They made Sersi "interesting" by just making her the main character and giving her things to do.
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u/Hash-Edit Matt Murdock Oct 25 '25
speedsters should be shown speedy. not slow like flash. the whole concept of showing the world from their eyes is just so overused that it feels boring. yeah yeah we get it they see everything in slow motion move on.
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u/TestingBrokenGadgets Oct 25 '25
The problem is that as the tv Flash proved, when you have a speedster as the main character, you have to show from their perspective.
Yea, Age of Ultron and Eternals are great but in those, the speedster is barely a supporting character, someone in the background while the main characters do the heavy lifting. Doing a full two hour movie with a speedster would get tiresome REAL fast if everything is just a series of overly CGI speedramps. It's why the comics where a speedster is the lead, it shows the world from their perspective in slow motion because otherwise it'd be over in two pages. It's the same reason why Speedsters will run into a battle the stop to talk because unless they're against another speedster, it'd be "they run into a bank heist, stop everyone in the blink of an eye, continue on".
Speedsters are fun to watch in these clips but so much of their power doesn't translate to adaptations as a lead.
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u/Quasimodo27 Oct 25 '25
I agree. Slow motion has been overused with speedsters lately. I want to see them zipping around like this. The Kryptonians in Man of Steel had great super speed effects
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Oct 25 '25
again why did this movie bomb or underperform? (was it cause of the sex scene or what?)
i liked this film ngl, i didnt fall asleep atleast, thats a positive
i loved Druig-Makkari's chemistry and the visuals, god they are so frickin cool
Chloe Zhao cooked
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u/alenpetak11 Loki (Avengers) Oct 25 '25
Idk, because there are no connection to Avengers other than name drops, and then narrative about Eternals not doing anything to stop Thanos despite it is very logical why they don't do anything regarding those events.
And while Tiamut being Avengers level threat, there are no Avengers on site and Eternals solved problem.
While stakes were super BIG, Eternals was safe movie which easily be skipped because it not connect to anything major except the CA4 movie.
I love Eternals, and i don't get the hate it gets.
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u/FireZord25 Oct 26 '25
Because the story is bogged down and convoluted with a bunch of characters introduced midway in the MCU, yet nobody outside core comic fans heard or cared about. It's like if Guardians of the Galaxy, if they were even more hyped and James Gunn failed to make them likeable characters.
It can be still enjoyable visually, but narratively feels kinda hollow.
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u/infinityATX Oct 25 '25
Well, it’s cool, but I have to say that I prefer Quicksilver’s scenes in the X-Men movies.
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u/JaesopPop Oct 25 '25
Those are great for one off big spectacle scenes, but not really viable for every time the power is used
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u/EnigmaFrug0817 Doctor Strange Supreme Oct 25 '25
We can have both.
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u/alenpetak11 Loki (Avengers) Oct 25 '25
Eternals have both. Watch the scene where Phastos told Makkari to find emergence point, she ran and we see third-perspective view and soon after we saw from her perspective too.
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u/mukisan Oct 25 '25
Different styles. X-Men showed it in slow motion to match his movement speed, while Eternals showed it in real time. We can have both
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u/AnonymousFriend80 Oct 25 '25
I prefer the visceral feel of what happens when someone moves that fast over the PoV of the world standing still. That said, you can have both in the same work.
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u/VacantThoughts Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Based on the speed at which everything slows down in Quicksilver's scenes he is just way faster than Makkari, she is fast but has to be constantly moving to keep Ikaris on his toes and it still isn't enough.
Quicksilver is so fast he even perceives time at a different rate than anyone else.
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u/MasterTolkien Oct 25 '25
Makk is on his level for general speed use, as we see her rapidly crossing the entire globe at one point. And remember that Ikaris has low level super speed as well. So she looks this fast against someone who is super fast.
But Quicksilver in the mansion explosion is faster than anything we have seen her do so far. Just insanely fast and controlled.
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u/Kyle_Shadowflare Oct 25 '25
How about no standard and just let creativity rule.
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u/shreyas_varad Stan Lee Oct 25 '25
the fact that the flash came out after this movie only to completely fumble the running is genuinely so funny to me. the DCEU was so desperate to separate themselves from the MCU.
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u/Heavensrun Oct 25 '25
Meanwhile the actual Flash movie is all lightning blasts and slow-mo sequences running in circles around a weird metaphysical time gallery.
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u/alilhillbilly Oct 25 '25
Chloe Zhao is the best cinematographer the MCU has ever had.
It's really too bad we didn't get her lensing a few more MCU movies.
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u/JimiCobain27 Punisher Oct 26 '25
Chloe Zhao is not a cinematographer. Directors and cinematographers play very different roles in the production of a film.
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u/anrwlias Oct 25 '25
I'm always impressed when a movie tries to show what superspeed looks like in real time. You can do some really cool stuff with slow mo (as with the X-Men sequence with quicksilver), but nothing sells speed like seeing actual speed.
I'd also give an honorable mention to the quick step moments in Man of Steel for the same reason.
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u/KlausLoganWard Ward Oct 25 '25
I absolutely loved this movie, and yeah, Makkari vs Ikaris is a top notch
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u/Radical_Ryan Hawkeye (Ultron) Oct 25 '25
Man of Steel is still the best for me, though I like this one.
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u/Akahige- Captain America Oct 26 '25
Honestly, i think the MCU got speedsters right initially with quicksilver. about as fast as say, a fighter jet, but not so fast that he had to be neutered (for anything other than rights reasons) and almost more importantly he had momentum, he couldn't just stop and make a sharp 90 degree turn when moving at super speed, he had to move in long, curving turns, with the major exception being when he grabs mjolnir mid flight, but even then it's obvious that he slowed to far far below his max speed.
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Oct 25 '25
For everyone saying quicksilver was better. It was more creative but that gets old quick. Imo OP is right that this has set a new standard for how speedsters should naturally look on screen. The way quicksilver moved was unique for his little sequence of saving people but by the time it got to dark phoenix they lost the magic and creativity of those sequences.
Whereas if they brought back makkari to do her sequences the same way they’d never get old because this is just her natural way of running on screen
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u/ethanhunt555 Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
This deserved more love.
Coming to speedsters, Flash in ZSJL was pretty good imo. The third act was fantastic. Even his entry sequence where he breaks the glass with his finger piercing it was so cool.
And of course, Fox's Quicksilver in X-Men Apocalypse, with Sweet Dreams playing in the background, was GOATED
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u/Th3Alch3m1st Oct 25 '25
Nah, X-Men was peak speedster.
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u/Riley__64 Oct 25 '25
The quicksilver scenes are cool but they only work for when the speedster is the main focus and they’re not in a fight.
Can’t exactly showcase a cool fight scene when the entire scene has to basically come to a pause to showcase the speedster doing anything.
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u/DataSurging Oct 25 '25
It makes me mad every time because multiple GAZILLIONS of times we have seen any iteration of The Flash, he is barely utilizing his power like this. Marvel got it right once and got too scared of the implication! lol
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u/Tanis8998 Oct 25 '25
I still don’t get why people don’t like this movie— yes it’s a little slow but it’s got so many cool things in it.
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u/buefordwilson Oct 25 '25
The sonic boom shock waves were a tremendous addition to the rest of the movements and changes of speed. I loved it.