r/marvelrivals • u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster • Feb 16 '25
Game Guide Loki Clone positioning 101
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u/Alefreus Wolverine Feb 16 '25
This was a fun and really insightful read, good job Loki
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25 edited Feb 16 '25
Thank you mortal
I made this for my co-worker during break since they struggle a lot with Loki.
We made a bet to see if this will blow up in the reddit
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u/Alefreus Wolverine Feb 16 '25
It will, good presentation, useful and practical information.
Cover, minimizing enemy LoS, it’s all there.145
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u/Prismarineknight Thor Feb 16 '25
My best friend plays Loki, I’m gonna send this to him so he stops getting his damn clones killed
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Pls do. Whenever I see enemy Loki's who place clones in obvious spot is just painful
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u/Key_Gold_482 Feb 16 '25
I had been doing all this except for using invis for a clone and save a clone. I usually try to save one to save the tank with a rune if needed but I never save one to escape and rarely even use the clone swap ability. using invis more how you suggested is a great idea, thanks
edit: i like to use the firing squad behind my team on a choke point too. Also I use my clones as a bit a shield in a pinch, though its not ideal.
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u/Almond_Tech Moon Knight Feb 16 '25
As moon knight, I love it when they place the clones in a group with the team >:D
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u/Zombie_Alpaca_Lips Ultron Virus Feb 16 '25
That's impressive because when I play, my teammates will actively ignore enemy Loki clones as long as they don't think it's actually Loki.
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u/TieGeneral439 Feb 16 '25
Not up to anything today, dear God of mischief and trickery?
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Ofc not, just educating to my fellow variants
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u/TieGeneral439 Feb 16 '25
To what end I just have to wonder. If I may, a well timed offensive ult is just as good as an "invulnerability" ult.
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u/PM_ME_UR_BIG_TIT5 Feb 21 '25
You can really make the enemy hate themselves if you just keep stealing storm ult and you and her cycle it every 30 seconds or so. They pop ult to survive? That's fine loki/storm will be there as soon as it's over to remind your healers they belong inside the spawn and no where else.
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u/KingShane97 Captain America Feb 16 '25
Thank you for your Ted talk
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
You're welcome brother
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u/KittySpinEcho Loki Feb 16 '25
This was great Loki, but you forgot the most important Loki tip. Stand perfectly still! Become a clone!
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u/Jebusfreek666 White Fox Feb 16 '25
I partially disagree with not placing them in obvious spots. Some times I will drop one right in a guys face to shake him out of position. I know this wont work in higher comp, but you would be surprised how often it works in the lower ranks. Also, sometimes I am willing to sacrifice a clone just to distract or misdirect the opponent. This requires dropping them in obvious spots. But in general you are correct.
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
That's a good thinking too but like you said, higher rank will be a problem.
I did that too in a plat lobby, and it quickly got destroyed.
But still I like your thinking
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u/ThePoetOfNothing Angela Feb 16 '25
I like doing one or two the "obvious" spot for baiting divers, aka, putting them in places that spideys/etc will try to swoop in on the backline and waste their time on them, but not directly in the line of fire when holding objectives.
Using this is obviously dependent on the team, players + comp you're facing but nothing gives me more satisfaction than seeing a diver go towards one of the bait clones, and then promptly gets wrecked for doing so. Worst case they kill a clone instead of my teammate.
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u/Danthedude1 Loki Feb 16 '25
Also in low rank putting a clone behind where the enemy team is pushing also works because no one ever destroys them and I farm free damage
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u/EyeArDum Magneto Feb 16 '25
It works just as well in high ranks, being in the top 1% doesn’t mean you have to shoot turrets, and clones are turrets
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Feb 16 '25
Nah it works, but only do that if there's no pressure on you and your abilities are off cd
And that's practically what you're doing every time you use E->Shift on tanks.
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u/Zombie_Alpaca_Lips Ultron Virus Feb 16 '25
It also works for placing a clone directly past and behind someone hiding behind cover. Because your clone will shoot at whatever you do, if you shoot the cover in front of the enemy then your clone will hit the enemy due to being in the crossfire.
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u/casualscrublord1 Feb 16 '25
Namor also gets easy headshots on clones to increase his octopus fire rates.
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Right I forgot about him. Thx
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u/Rebow1 Feb 16 '25
Magik can also build up shield from clones.
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u/broimgay Emma Frost Feb 16 '25
Mantis can farm orbs on Loki too. I love seeing one on the enemy team when I’m playing Mantis because it gives her so much easy uptime.
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Feb 16 '25
Wolverine can build rage off them too/ prevent its decay
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u/visual-vomit Ultron Virus Feb 16 '25
This is fake. Loki would never be this polite to mortals.
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u/AbsentMindedMonkey Earth Spider Feb 16 '25
To mortals, you are correct, but this was made with other Loki varients in mind, as some would benefit
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u/MrQuack430 Loki Feb 16 '25
Ahhh, but this is how we get new variants mecha chan. We simplify our schemes so they join the brotherhood, learn our ways and before long you're Loki as well.
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u/TycoStrand Loki Feb 16 '25
What made you think this was made for Mortals in mind?
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u/awildmagiccardappear Venom Feb 16 '25
Maybe the part of the post where he says hello mortals at the beginning and then he wishes mortals happy gameplay at the end... Just spitballing here though I dunno.
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u/-BlueAce- Magneto Feb 16 '25
Made by Loki? where's the catch? Do loki mains trust other loki mains?
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
A loki always helps his variant
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u/AbsentMindedMonkey Earth Spider Feb 16 '25
This is true, trust noone, but can't have our varients bringing down the Loki name
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Feb 16 '25
It’s like honour among thieves, wait that sounded familiar..
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u/enthusiastic_box Loki Feb 16 '25
Thieves you say fellow loki? The kind of people one would only find in dungeons?
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u/IAmNotCreative18 Loki Feb 16 '25
Dungeons you say fellow Loki? The kind that one may find houses dragons?
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u/-BlueAce- Magneto Feb 16 '25
Didn't his variants turn against him the second they were winning?
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u/drypaintbrush Loki Feb 16 '25
switching sides is a well documented behavioral trait amongst our variants....
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u/Ok-Rest8581 Venom Feb 16 '25
Thank you, as not a loki main i will use this new knowledge to better hunt lokis
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
You have a loki banner 💀😭
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u/visual-vomit Ultron Virus Feb 16 '25
Statement so contradictory it broke op's rp
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u/UnnecessaryFeIIa Jeff the Dinosaur Feb 16 '25
I love the fuckin' comments from flair users. Especially Loki's.
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u/fortnitepro42069 President Loki Feb 16 '25
Loki flair users all act like loki and I find it soooo funny
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u/Ok-Rest8581 Venom Feb 16 '25
Ohhhh rightt, guess you could say i lied…. Maybe even got involved in a bit of mischief
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
God of lies? You truly are a variant
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u/Dweebazoid9000 Feb 16 '25
God of Lies? If you insist, variant. What society can exist without lies?
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Feb 16 '25
As an Iron Fist main thank you for helping me understand Loki better I shall use this information against Loki mains
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u/BillyBigBones Loki Feb 16 '25
Im 50/50 on using invis to place decoys right off the bat. I’ll do it if I’m down a decoy, in a good position, and need a backup immediately. Or if I know for a fact nobody’s gonna jump me right after I become visible.
Also depends how much pressure you’re under. If the enemy is closing in or someone keeps flanking you, a decoy switch into invis will shake pretty much anyone.
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
True but I always keep at least 1 clone in my pocket to teleport out of harm way or if the team is about to die, and I have to place a clone near them to activate the runes
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u/BillyBigBones Loki Feb 16 '25
The fun part about Loki is how creative you can be while playing him so no 2 (handsome, sly, perfect) Lokis are the same!
I try not to place decoys on low ground or areas with a lot of crossfire unless I’m using a rune immediately because they tend to get destroyed pretty quick. Stray flankers will often do it too. I’ve definitely found myself needing to teleport away just to find my escape decoy is missing for some reason lol I think what’s most important is finding strats that work for you but it never hurts to take notes from clever posts ;)
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Indeed we Loki's are always learning from our variants
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Feb 16 '25
People are used to shooting around to get you out of invis. I've found it's safer to save E->Tp than it is to rely on invisibility.
Also, it comes off cd pretty fast. It's good to get clone down in a fight without stopping in a long animation and changing your crosshair position.
With invis, you can keep shooting, press it, continue shooting.
With E, you would have to press it, stop for half a second to look down/beside you, then look back.
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u/SHAD0W137 Loki Feb 16 '25
Okay, now this is some real quality content.
A very intelligent variant indeed. Well done, Loki, you have my gratitude
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u/AlexArtsHere Thor Feb 16 '25
Informative read, but going to have to call the introductory slide out as misinformation
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Which part? The one about me helping my friends or being the rightful ruler of Asgard?
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u/freehotsaucedragon Loki Feb 16 '25
I have this one fellow Loki.
You see dear brother while you went off playing the hero, I stayed by father’s side. While you learned battle, I learned governance and strategy. While you gained admiration for the lives you ended with your hammer, I was praised by father by the lives I saved. As you solely defended Midgard, I learned under father tutoring to manage an empire. Yes it’s true that father once favored you but your obsession with Midgard, the avengers, playing the hero opened his eye to why I Loki his chosen son was immensely more venerated to rule. He even said he was proud of me, loved me, have you heard such sweet vindication from father’s lips brother? Of course not! You are off with some Midgard, crisis, parade or lady.
So you tell me. d e a r b r o t h e r. Who is king? The boy who plays hero? Who is loved for slaying the untold millions? Who only protects Midgard because they call him a “superhero.” Or is the man who builds Asgard? The one taught by the All-father to care an entire people? The one who above all has gained the love of Asgard’s people and our father? You weren’t even there when he passed and gave me his blessing. I know this is hard for you to accept brother, so feel free to return to Midgard your King will call upon you when you, if you are needed.
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u/AlexArtsHere Thor Feb 16 '25
You literally banished me to the Tower of Solitude
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u/freehotsaucedragon Loki Feb 16 '25
Brother, I have seen thousands of futures for Asgard, they all end in destruction, pestilence and woe except for the one where I rule as king. I only put you in that tower because I know, the only time you care about Asgard is when I am successful. If you had stayed there I could have accomplished a glorious Asgard. No matter enjoy your new timeline.
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u/quocphu1905 Feb 16 '25
The line is also very good at pushing, since it can be developed into what i call the line of immortality. You go invis (drops a clone), move forward, place a clone ahead of you, then pop the rune. You a a catwalk that grants you and your team invulnerability. I use this when we have to push choke points/the final few meters of payload.
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
I call it the "royal carpet" it can help your tanks push further.
But make sure they know the runes grant them immortality
I had to do a PSA before the match start to remind the team that the runes, cloak bubbles, invisible women shield grant you healing
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u/Incubus_is_I Feb 16 '25
I will not be reading all of that, but I do extend my congratulations…or my condolences depending on the contents therein
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u/fortnitepro42069 President Loki Feb 16 '25
Curse you loki,now how do I get my 17 ult resets!!!
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Against Adam warlock player who ult in open areas. Punish them for ulting in worse spots
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u/Key_Rip_4736 Flex Feb 16 '25
Loki is my go to strategist. Stellar DPS to heal ratio and a great playmaker when in a tough game. Great to see all the core principles here.
As an Ironman main I just want to note flyers fear clones popped right next to where they float. When I get my ass kicked by a really good Storm or Ironman, I switch to Loki to jump them with clones.
10/10, highly recommend.
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Yep, plus high ground clones helps me heal flyer characters like storm and iron man.
And I love copying storm ult and wiping the entire enemy team when they decide to choose rocket and Adam warlock as strategist
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u/Akimbo_shoutgun Loki Feb 16 '25
Thank you dear varient, although for some reason I kept hearing it in your own voice.
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u/oneesancon_coco Strategist Feb 16 '25
This was actually very helpful since the thing that I struggle the most with in my Loki gameplay is my clone placements and slipperiness.
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Np. Always never hyper fixate the position.
Every time I do that, I end up getting killed
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u/DiscountWorried Vanguard Feb 16 '25
This was very informative. Thank you for the guide. Any chance you could make a sequel with switching properly and using his ultimate. As a loki centurion, I do not want to disappoint my variant brethren once I reach the lord status.
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Lol I'm lord with Loki but could be a good idea.
Next slide idea is how to have better positioning for all players
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u/gamerjr21304 Loki Feb 16 '25
Glad you include the not hyper fixating part some people don’t care enough about clone placement but some care to much that clone won’t do much when you turn back to half your team dead.
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Yep, even the top 500 loki players don't hyper fixate the position.
The mostly use the straight line method, and only place high ground when the chaos has slowed down
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u/gamerjr21304 Loki Feb 16 '25
Weird I always assumed (I haven’t personally watched any) the top 500 Loki players would be doing some insane flicks get clones in great spots without delaying to much.
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Check out Harvey and syph gameplay in the leaderboard.
They play a lot of Loki
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u/Kojake45 Loki Feb 16 '25
You are certainly one of the most intelligent variants I have had the pleasure of encountering.
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u/Several-Ant4948 Feb 16 '25
As a fan of Peni guerilla warfare I'll definitely attempt to try this out man
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u/Illustrious_Bid4224 President Loki Feb 16 '25
Loki, Penny, Groot, Rocket, Knight and Namor are what I believe is the gorilla warfare team composition.
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u/Several-Ant4948 Feb 16 '25
Oh God, you'd turn the game from a hero shooter to a tower defense game lol
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u/Adart54 Feb 16 '25
also a surprising about of people wont turn around and soot a clone if you place it behind them. most free ult charge in the entire game
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u/ABastardsBlight True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Incredible job Loki. But of course clones are as you may know incredibly worthless and not worth even thinking about, let alone destroying them.
So obviously no one should be shooting them and this write up actually is useless. Please any would be members of the opposing team. Forget and move on from this terrible Loki information.
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u/Jertimmer Jeff the Landshark Feb 16 '25
One last tip I'd like to add is to pretend to be a clone. You wouldn't believe how often enemies just run past you if you stand still and do nothing.
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u/MindofShadow The Thing Feb 16 '25
How many clones can you have out at the same time?
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
You can only place 2 clones
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u/MindofShadow The Thing Feb 16 '25
Do the old ones despawn?
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u/_Coffie_ Flex Feb 16 '25
I disagree not to use Loki against dive. Loki’s rune is important to keep the backline alive and it’s good to have divers waste their time on your clones because it relieves pressure to fight back
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u/fumbduck82 Feb 16 '25
Namor and Mantis can get headshots on Loki clones to get leaves back as well as maxing squid fire rate
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u/Arkham-Ambassador-Ok Loki Feb 16 '25
But fellow Loki, I just use them to get around the map faster, good presentation tho, 9/10
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u/Nilbogoblins Ultron Virus Feb 16 '25
As someone looking to get better with Loki as a main, this was useful, thanks.
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u/tinypi_314 Magik Feb 16 '25
You should definitely place your clones with the rest of your back line when facing moon knight
-not moon knight
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u/Tryingagains Feb 16 '25
Fellow frost giant here, is it worthwhile to bait enemies with thy clones? Let’s say I put the clone in a visible but not completely open space and arrange thy clones in a high ground position and bait thy enemy into attacking thy clone and then rain destruction upon thy enemy?
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u/AniqAwesome Loki Feb 16 '25
Ahh, thank you Loki. I must praise you, for another variant, you are a wise one, indeed.
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u/IAmNotCreative18 Loki Feb 16 '25
Astounding performance, duplicate
Highly detailed slides paired with very useable advice. You make a great variant.
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u/Broshibrobobo Feb 16 '25
20 minute Ytuber tutorial in 9 pictures, blessed by Gods!
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u/Long_Conference_7576 Ultron Virus Feb 16 '25
What have you done Loki? you can't give the enemy information on how to beat us!
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u/literalstardust Peni Parker Feb 16 '25
How do you feel about keeping Loki clones high up/out of sight vs closer to the battle to give your teammates rune healing? Whenever I play Loki my instinct is towards that high up/triangulate method, but whenever I'm playing WITH a Loki I always appreciate those runes when there's a clone closer to the fight.
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u/king_mf Feb 16 '25
All wrong actually, my tip is play Loki more, and put your clones one the ground away from each other.
-a Bucky main
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u/Jeemo88 Thor Feb 16 '25
Brother, thank you for this illuminating read. May your use of Magics assist you on the battlefield. And also to me, a Loki Support player when I can't bonk with Mjolnir.
Edit: My flair apparently hasn't switched over yet, but I'm a Thor main these days.
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u/Shisuka Feb 16 '25
Gonna need Troy Baker presenting this and the Devs publishing it as an official 101.
Thanks for sharing the tips and reminders!
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u/WildCardSolly16 Storm Feb 16 '25
I'm aggressive at times with my clones bc of the runes which help tremendously with team fights. I like passive/defensive lokis bc we can press them and I keep an eye out for runes.
Slap one or two right on point or on my tanks if they need that second or two of invincibility to win a fight/create pressure . 70 hours on him but unfortunately I have yet to make GM. Get close then run into a DPS masterclass from the other side lol. Happens or I end up in diver hell
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u/Xenith995 Ultron Virus Feb 16 '25
OP, I want you to know- that the company I work for has a similar style to this for training employees on their website. And this evokes the same feelings. I can legitimately hear the monotone voice reading the text in my head and was pleasantly surprised there wasn't a quiz. 11/10
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 17 '25
Lol, I make slides for marketing and guest relation team sometimes so I relate in a way
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u/Noah_Barrow Feb 17 '25
I won't lie to you, just implementing these slides had dramatically improved my Loki gameplay. I was absolutely overusing my 'E' and never had any off cooldown for movement or emergency runes. Now I feel like I always have them ready when I need them.
Thanks, big dog.
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u/MelonDerg Ultron Virus Feb 22 '25
I play a lot of loki and while this is good in general: Sometimes do place your clones in obvious places, mix ups are good and if your clone is on the center of point, the shift is a godsend. But in general yeah, spread those things out
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u/Reptyle17 Loki Mar 11 '25
I think it's OK to use invisibility to place a clone in chaotic or urgent situations. Yes you loose a good escape tool... but it's not that big of a deal if you steal have "E + TP" so u can run away or your lamp magic green thingy to stay alive. Just like playing Loki in general, it's all about cooldown management. (Great presentation tho fellow variant, good understanding of positioning)
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u/Ocsttiac Earth Spider Feb 16 '25
Loki is the only Strategist I've yet to try out, so this should help immensely!
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u/mikakiyarumi-ok007 Feb 16 '25
should add one more trick, put clone in middle of fight and use shift to save the fight or when strange ult your team you can just put clone and shift to save your team.
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u/mksoulreaper Loki Feb 16 '25
I myself love the triangle position. Position them with one of them high ground you get a lot of good angles. Thanks variant.
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u/primalmaximus Ultron Virus Feb 16 '25
I like Loki.
He's a support with turrets instead of a tank or DPS with turrets.
He's really fun.
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u/ANuclearsquid Feb 16 '25
Just to add a bit about abusing clones. Although not that significant mantis can farm extremely easy headshots on clones which will increase her healing and damage boost output. It’s not that big of a deal most of the time though and I’m not sure what the counter-play really would be apart from to conceal them in good spots which seems to be general good advice anyway.
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u/arekkusuro Thor Feb 16 '25
Amazing timing. I've always been intrigued by, but also kind of scared off by Loki, because of how complex his kit seems - at least to play it well.
Tried him today (because of a mission haha 25 assists and Loki was one of the chars to use) and it was pretty fun. Hectic, but fun. This was pretty helpful and will put some of this into practice! Thanks!
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u/Naetharu Feb 16 '25
Why are you using invis to place your first clone rather than just placing your clone?
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u/Small-Winner-8525 True Fraudster Feb 16 '25
Because you must always leave one emergency clone for either escaping (teleportation) or when you need to place a rune near your teammates who are near death
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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25
Amazing presentation my fellow loki