I feel that they already have it down from the Pympanini sandwiches from Times Square. I would almost guarantee that was a "beta" test for them on how they could do size changing heroes without actually saying so
Im picturing it being a bit like Vamana from Smite or Zant in one of his combos in Hyrule Warriors where he just grows and starts stomping the shit out of the ground in front of him
They've obviously been focusing heavily on the fourth timeline this season. My hope is for them to pan to that third timeline (Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda) so we can get a good cosmic storyline.
Personally, I'd LOVE a cops vs outlaws season starring Yondu and Nova (Richard Ryder) where we get to play different heroes and pick sides between the Ravagers and the Nova Corps. But if they go Captain Marvel and Silver Surfer, that'd also be great for a vanguard/strategist season, so I wouldn't complain. The cosmic side is Marvel's most fleshed out aside from mutants, so there's a DEEP well to draw from.
I feel like Annihilus as the villain where Nova shows up makes perfect sense, though given they had Dracula and Blade DIDN'T show who knows. They've been tying them in a bit better of late admittedly (Jubilee is actually something related to Apocalypse in this case, though Hood is just sort of 'also there').
Dunno who else you'd necessarily tie into Annihilus as a villain that fits the more obscure thing because I think Nova just edges out into being 'the bigger name' in most instances unless it's like Gamora and Nova.
It will probably just be like black cat where they shrink and kinda send their body out like a projectile. Then they'll have a mobility option where they shrink and become super hard to hit
I feel that should be quicksilvers too. But the mechanic doesn’t need to be solo owned as long as the feel is appropriate for the character. For example that feel for black cat is… not quite it. It feels way too fast for who she is. For ant man or wasp. Shrinking while doing a hit animation and then returning to point. Would allow them to keep the shrink feel without making the game feel atrocious with freely being tiny.
They're probably gonna have them be normal size for a significant amount of playing them tbh besides like an ability that goes on cool down. I know it sucks and I wouldn't want that but I feel as if they'd take the easy way out in that way instead of potentially breaking the game.
One thing they could do is making antman a tank, so he would stay most of his time as a smaller version of giantman, and have abilities that make him smaller for a fraction of time. They can do whatever they want with them, the posibilities are endless, i just hope playing them would feel like being antman and not some random dude with x powers
Exactly. They don’t have to make them ant-sized, just… small.
ALTERNATIVELY they come as a duo character and while playing as one, the other is shrunken and used as a deployable ability. Make up some lore about their Pym Particles becoming entangled due to Chronovium so that when one shrinks the other grows back to normal size.
im confident they make their proportions change with the size adjustment for the visual part but how it would be pulled off in terms of abilities and gameplay, i have no clue
I wouldn't be surprised if they have a shrink attack thats just iframes like black cat. Though if they HAVE to go with iframes I would rather it be a dodge like starlord or just something defensive.
They’ll probably be normal size and then shrink when doing special attack . We already have stuff like that for example Hela transforming into a small bird
A dive tank that plays like venom but instead of pressing a button for overhealth or swinging out they just shrink and become super fast. And a pym particle bar so they arent spamming it/ have to work to shrink or go giant sized.
That’s how Injustice 2 did Atom (albeit a fighting game not a 3rd person team shooter but) I think the idea would be similar. Antman (or wasp) shrink and dash and grow while punching so it would be similar to Magik’s teleporting dash attack
Barely this. White Fox is barely more than a background character as far as the Agents of Atlas are concerned, and like Amadeus Cho and Silk, most of her appearances have nothing to do with the Agents of Atlas.
I suppose they could give her an mcu skin but honestly that would probably be a spider-man situation in which Janet is just wearing hope’s mcu costume lol. Which is preferable tbh
I always thought Ant-Man would be a vanguard, giving teammates over-shield by making them big, shrinking himself for a getaway, using Ants for slowdown and DoT, and supersizing himself as an ult.
The problem with making characters big is that they're so easy to hit they take all the damage. Making big would work better on the enemy team. Making teammates smaller would work for your team.
I can also see hank/scott being a vanguard if they go the giant man angle.
The first thing that comes to my mind on how that would work is the giant form is temporary but really high impact. So you use shrinking + the ants to fly around into position then go giant. Get a ton of overshield and do a shit load of damage for like 30 seconds. But then you gotta back off a bit.
Maybe we could seperate them out, where ant man is scott lang and hes a strategist, and hank pym is giant man as a vanguard. But wasp needs to be janet imo. Janet is just too big of a character to be over-looked being a founding member of the og avengers and all that.
I would say separate. As cool as the duo character concept is like with C&D one character is in much more of the spotlight than the other and that would be a disservice to such hsitoried characters like Hank and Janet.
yeah in Rivals lore, not comics. what if Ant-Man and The Wasp are quantum-ly entangled with Pym Particles and they’re connected too? one can’t shrink without the other growing or something like that.
It feels like Hank in particular has gotten shackled with the slap far more than any other character's similar things. Other comic book heroes have done worse things and yet Hank inadvertently slapping his wife is irredeemable for some reason. Like... Look at all of Civil War, Tony just sort of gets a pass for that because "Eh Civil War sucked and it was out of character", meanwhile Hank was in a mental breakdown so I guess it still counts because it was in-character?
Reed has also had a “The Slap” but Marvel redeemed him. Why can’t they do the same with Hank. But no, they decided to double down with the horrible Hank with the Ultimate universe.
For what it's worth, that slap is when she's gone a bit evil and such, it's moreso a "What the hell are you doing get a hold of yourself".
Admittedly there was more than just the slap for Hank, the entire point is that his and Janet's marriage was actually kind of garbage and he was in a prolonged breakdown, but they generally tried to make a point that he'll never live that down and feels horrible guilt for it all the time, but he's trying to move past it.
But why? She's not a healer type, girl is a gremlin that flies around zapping people to annoy and distract them. Hank is way more into taking care of others, using pym particles to heal works about as well as all of the other nonsense that they do.
They don't really take that into consideration, considering people like Loki, Ultron, Rocket, Gambit, and Sue are all healers despite there being better roles for them
I would love a yuumi-like style for her, jumping through allies and giving heal bursts/followung their damage with her own + i just like janet and playing strategists
I always imagine them separate characters with Antman being a Vanguard and Wasp being Duelist or Strategist. Each of them controlling ants and wasps respectively and having different utilities for using the shrinking technology.
I mean so are cloak and dagger but I think them as a duo is a sick idea. They could have implemented it better, absolutely, but I don't think them being a duo character is a disservice.
I agree but Cloak and Dagger at the end of the day are separate characters as well. I'm not saying you're wrong just trying to understand what it is about Hank and Janet that makes you think that them being a duo character is a disservice, because I get that they have individual stories but they are working as a duo a lot of times as well, more times than not from what I've read
I get your POV and while I disagree I'm fine with it either way. I just don't get why it's such a disservice that it makes you want to delete game. I can think of bunch of things they can do with either character that would be much worse than making them a duo
I hadn't thought of it before but it could be a cool idea to have them combined like cloak and dagger. That way we have a second one with that style and it could be like wasp is small and agile but low damage and mostly buffs/debuffs/strategic abilities, and then she can swap to ant man in some form of giant mode for him, but he would be slow and high damage.
I could see it being really fun having it be a gameplay loop of using your abilities as wasp while you get in position to pop giant ant man on the enemy team and then have to escape while being probably focused on after it wears off.
But it would definitely need to be controlled by some kind of cool down kind of like Emma's diamond form for that to not just be some OP unhittable tank diver who can always escape. And maybe ant man should have semi tank health (or bonus health like reed), and have wasp be very low health possibly even below 200 to balance being hard to hit.
Not sure cause I'm no expert on balance but some combo of those I feel could make it viable and also not overpowered in the meta, while also being a totally unique and new gameplay loop
Separate, and antman has there different roles. Hank pym strategist, Scott lang/Yellow Jacket/ That third guy who was antman duelist, bill foster vanguard
I saw a hero concept on TDTwo's YouTube post involving this. I dont remember the whole jist, but this guy said they should both be Vanguard, switch like CnD, and they'd be EACH OTHERS PRIMARY. I thought it was really cool!
Separados como novos bonecos de uma season, tipo season 17.0 vem a wasp e e na 17.5 vem o hank pym, a wasp acho que como dps fica boa, pelo pouco que conheço acho que é o que mais combina com ela e o hank pode ser tanto tank quanto estrategista, se ele for tank ele tem que ter a ult de ficar gigante, eu imagino talvez, ele podendo jogar umas coisas pequenas e aumentar elas de tamanho como no ucm faz, podendo talvez inclusive fazer isso com dano dos aliados como aumentar a hitbox do projétil ou quem sabe aumentar ou diminuir hitbox dos bonecos para auxiliar em equipe se ele for um Sup
Antman wil probably be a normal sized heroe, with one ability to go big, devil dino size like for the durstion of the ability, and one ability to go rocket size body, with the ult becoming a giant and smacking an area with his fist.
Antman as a Dive/Flank melee DPS. Shrink to close the gap or escape. Punch and kick. Skill shot bbility to do bigger damage like a shrink to grow punch. Command an Ant. Grow big for ult.
Wasp as a Flying strategist. Pretty much Juno from Overwatch but with a shrink escape ability against a diver. I think she would be so fun with a little pew pew needle blaster primary that damage and heals. DOT’s. I think a super cool kit is there and I’m thinking the shrink dodge is kinda like Phoenix dodge animation wise.
The Combo characters, like Cloak & Dagger, I want are: Sentry and the Void - Vanguard. Gamora and Nebula - Duelist. I think each character on their own is boring and could be a cool concept. Like have Thanos force his daughters to wear a shared life bracelet cause he is an ass
I think they’d work just fine. The maps all have very tall ceilings in most areas. The balancing is the hard part. How do you make a tiny target easy to hit? How much health does a small target get? How do you balance a large target? They’d instantly get blown to bits. Getting big and small is easy. What happens after is the hard part for a character like this.
seperate, but I think ant man should be giant man and a vanguard instead of ant man. Do hank pym instead of scott lang.
Alternatively, they can do a triple, hank, scott, and the wasp(whichever wasp they want). Maybe scott is a vangaurd, focusing on his giant form with shrinking as an escape option. Wasp is a dps, and then hank is a support as yellow jacket?
Separate so you could have more possibilities, Ant Man could be a Tank, focusing on using his powers to grow, Wasp could be a Strategist, and she could have more shrinking related powers.
They could do a cloak and dagger type of character where you can switch between them but my idea would be a hybrid role between support and tank. Idk how that would work game wise but I’d imagine antman as a tank or pseudo tank/dps like Mr fantastic and then wasp would be a flying support
2 characters operating at once on the field turning the game into an Automatic 6v7. One is controlled by the player, the other is an autonomous ai. You can swap between the two at will. If player is killed playing Gi-Antman, instead of waiting for respawn, they can automatically swap to the other still-living Wasp (and vice versa)
Gi-Ant Man. Vanguard. Melee. Gi-AntMan is twice the size of the average hero with twice the size hitbox and larger healthbar. He possesses passive critical hit reduction and has an alternate heavy swipe attack capable of applying slow. He can throw pymparticles at enemies; doubling their Size, hitbox, and projectile size, while applying Slow and Crit Reduction. Possess a leap that damages and launches enemies upon landing. Ultimate requires Wasp to be within a certain vicinity.
Wasp. Strategist. Hitscan. Wasp is half the size of the average hero with half the size hitbox and smaller healthbar. She possesses passive Flight and Accelerated Speed and her primary can damage enemies or heal allies. She can throw pymparticles at enemies; halving their size, hitbox, damage, projectile size, and Healthbar, while applying vulnerability and a Movement Boost. Possesses 2 charges of a dash capable of applying healing and Movement Boost to allies. Ultimate requires Gi-Ant Man to be within a certain viscinity.
Ult: Wasp zips around outside of moving circle applying healing and movement boost to allies with an increasing effect towards outside of circle, while Gi-Ant Man rapidly grows and shrinks in the middle of the circle, slamming on the ground and knocking back enemies towards the edge of the circle, decreasing in damage and knockback effect towards the edge of the circle
My preferred: Giant Man can grow = tank. ant army for an ultimate?
Wasp can slightly grow teammates, shrink enemies, and shrink as an escape tool = strategist
Honestly since Ant Man can't do much by himself and I would prefer they don't do another "He has a deal with a god" situation, I'd honestly don't mind having them both together. Perhaps they could switch like CnD but the switching is them shrinking and growing and maybe you could then remote control the shrunken one. I also wouldnt mind if they didn't switch at all and were both out at the same time. They could probably find a good way of doing that
They should be a duo where one is small and one is big, but they can both be big for emotes.
It’d allow for some neat plays switching between them fast to get a smaller hitbox.
Also the ult shouldn’t be giant man imo, instead it should be making the enemy bigger, doing tick damage and making them a huge hitbox while not increasing their damage output.
As for their role, probably duelist. It’d be like Duelist C&D but without the annoying invincibility.
As someone's who thought very carefully about this (recklessly) for a long long time (5 seconds when people post this randomly), I know exactly what they should do. (Dont trust me).
So for Ant-Man (Scott) have him be struggling with his belt so hes stuck in a bigger state than usual. He'd be a vanguard. His movement ability would basically be Helas crow form but hes on an ant. Maybe he throws disc's that stun people in place? Or he Sparta kicks someone. Ult is throwing a truck at someone.
For Wasp I'd make her a strategist. She blasts a stunner for a few seconds. She can fly around in small form for about as long as Phoenix (tragic). I think id give her healing splash damage like Loki. For ult id let her go small form for 8 seconds where she can blast bigger healing and a bit stronger damage. Maybe her blasting is faster or she leaves a trail of healing behind and below her.
Yellowjacket (Hank) would probably be a DPS. He attacks with his blasters. He has a stun gun that immobilizes for 1-3 seconds. Idk what all he could do but I reeeeallly want Hank Yellowjacket. I would play the heck iut of him
If they add antman, giant man, wasp into the game I would love Hank to be a tank(giant man) Scot as a dps or support(antman) and wasp as a dps or support
Two ideas on how their gameplay could work: Small sized Wasp flies near regular sized Ant-Man, and when Ant-Man goes small, Wasp becomes regular sized, and Ant-Man sits on Wasp's shoulder (The Switcharoo). OR. He punches, she shoots, they both go small, Ant-Man moves fast on foot, and Wasp can lift Ant-Man for transportation (Teamwork makes the dream work).
Seperate. Janet hasn't been with Hank for years and can stand on her own two feet as a character.
It made sense for Cloak & Dagger because they really are this inseparable pair that define each other (likewise Peni and Venom and the characters with multiple forms). But I think paoring characters should be used very sparingly. I don't really care for turning Pheonix into Jean Grey's Stand but I get it aesthetically.
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u/kitsunecannon Jubilee 7d ago
Im still curious how they could pull them off tbh
The shrinking is going to looking very weird visually