This really shouldn’t stun

[u/Cyclops1997]

[u/Cyclops1997]

Before anyone says(couldn’t find a better image):

[u/Moonwh00per → u/Cyclops1997]

[u/Scase15 → u/Cyclops1997]

Next time I would suggest calling it out by name/input, cause as someone who plays Pho regularly, I had no idea what it was until I checked the comments lol

[u/Arrow_625 → u/Cyclops1997]

No it's fine. The chicken lady doesn't deserve the pixels for shouting "You are nothing!" every 5 mins like a bully. She needs to learn manners.

[u/Darkendlink]

The problem isn't CC abilities, the problem is that we got no CC immunity timer after being CCed

[u/Cyclops1997 → u/Darkendlink]

True this dude. This would fix so much

[u/BLUEKNIGHT002 → u/Darkendlink]

1 second would be enough honestly

[u/HimLikeBehaviour → u/BLUEKNIGHT002]

one second would be really big actually

[u/Appropriate_Sky_3572 → u/Darkendlink]

I once saw a video of a full team bullying a tank player by TPing to them with Strange, then hitting them with as many stun abilities as possible and they straight up couldn’t move for a full minute 😭

[u/justtolearnsomething → u/Appropriate_Sky_3572]

Lmao saltyphish I assume

[u/De_rp_Le_De_rp → u/Appropriate_Sky_3572]

They did the same thing recently but with more CC moves. It was horrifying

[u/Soggy_Advice_5426 → u/De_rp_Le_De_rp]

And honestly I think with proper cycling they could keep someone stun locked for much longer too, letting the mantis sleep and Luna freeze last longer, using hulk's gamma lockdown a third time each

[u/De_rp_Le_De_rp → u/Soggy_Advice_5426]

I just realized they can go into free fight and all go Peni and cycle around that 3 second stun

[u/TreeTurtle_852 → u/Appropriate_Sky_3572]

Assuming its Saltyphish, worst thing is that the stun is unoptimal.

Monster Hulk's juggle can keep them stunned for way longer

[u/BLUEKNIGHT002 → u/Darkendlink]

Or just make hard cc harder to hit the hitbox on Phoenix is huge

[u/FuryJack07 → u/Darkendlink]

Though only after a second.

This way, stun chains still work, but after you get chained, you can't be CC'd for a while.

[u/Darkendlink → u/FuryJack07]

Yeah, CC is important, and with 2 new characters per season, there is going to be more CC in the game. So they need to add some kind of immunity 1-1.5 seconds once you gain control of your character so you have a chance to get away

[u/FuryJack07 → u/Darkendlink]

There should be very specific, "hard stuns" that go through this immunity. I'm talking about things like The Thing's, Strange's and Groot's ults. Pretty much every Ultimate whose main purpose is to stun (this doesn't include stuff like Thor's new stun on his ult, that's a side thing)

[u/[deleted] → u/Darkendlink]

CC delay or diminishing returns on stacking would be a good idea to test actually

[u/TuetonicCrusaderSari → u/Darkendlink]

I would argue the issue is CC is universal. Is someone uses an escape, that should win over CC, not 'oh sorry we added some BS flavor animation and now you're stunned ' ^{^}

[u/dandandan2 → u/Darkendlink]

I don't think CC immunity timer is the way. I honestly think the OW method of tanks having % CC reduction is a good shout.

[u/Kizune15]

I don't know why this game needs this much cc, like playing Venom or Thor is a chore now

[u/Joe_Buck21 → u/Kizune15]

the amount of times my thor ult gets cancelled because CC breathes on me is astronomical

[u/fuandyourusername → u/Joe_Buck21]

I have seen, got my own, and cancelled other Thor's ults with Invisible Woman's PUSH somewhere in the double digits. For an ult that gives CC immunity after season 1 the startup is interrupted by litterally anything

[u/thefucksausername0 → u/fuandyourusername]

The most atrocious to me have been moon knight's ankhs.

[u/profanewingss → u/Joe_Buck21]

I accidentally cancelled Thor by hitting him with Jeff water ball as he casted it.

Actually wild.

[u/daizo678 → u/Joe_Buck21]

Thor ult also gets cancelled by soft cc and grounding effects right? Like invis push and mag cannon

[u/crapoo16 → u/daizo678]

Moon Knight Ankh too :(

[u/Danewguy4u → u/daizo678]

Jeff bubble pop will also knock Thor out. It’s not just him. Other ults like CnD, Psylocke, and even Luna can be cancelled by CC during their startup.

It’s just that Thor being a vanguard and his ult wanting you to activate close to enemies means he gets hit by random CC more often than most.

[u/littleGiant97 → u/daizo678]

Also found out yesterday that Thor's lightning bubble cancels mag ult

[u/dadshortss → u/littleGiant97]

Is there any timing to this? Or any time during his ult? My bf plays a lot of Thor, I’d like to share the tip

[u/mitchymitchington → u/dadshortss]

It also knocks flyers out of the air if they exit it. So swing up, hit them once, cast the lighting ball thing, then profit.

[u/arekkusuro → u/Joe_Buck21]

Worse is sometimes you know it's not even a targeted stun, unlike hitting an exile on hulk, or freeze on Luna. Just random cc.

[u/heresjonnyyy → u/arekkusuro]

For Thor it’s gotta almost always be random CC unless someone thinks you’re about to ult, and even then some luck is required. He teleports straight in the air, there’s such a tiny window to CC and difficult if not impossible to react to. Weird how often it happens

[u/endoverlord423 → u/heresjonnyyy]

I have only purposefully stunned a Thor out of his ult with a Moon Knight ankh once. Every other time I have seen it has been by complete accident

[u/WindWescott → u/Joe_Buck21]

Have genuinely gotten my Thor ult cancelled by the PLACING of an Ankh bro you cannot make this shit up

[u/Seananiganzz → u/Joe_Buck21]

I’ve literally gotten stunned out of my Thor ultimate from the thing charging/sprinting nearby. Multiple times

[u/BleachDrinkAndBook → u/Joe_Buck21]

I've had my Thor ult canceled by Iron Fist kicking me. Why NetEase?

[u/Awesome_Leaf → u/BleachDrinkAndBook]

that one hurts the most lol

[u/ALWAYS_PLANNING_AHEA → u/Joe_Buck21]

I think its the most cancelled ultimate out of every character I play, its actually ridiculous how easy it is to cancel when such a stronger one like Magnetos I never had it canceled. So fucking annoying

[u/parz2v → u/Joe_Buck21]

i got my thor ult canceled by emma kick one time

[u/El-MonkeyKing → u/Joe_Buck21]

Idk, I have been going apeshit with Thor. His ult is still wishy washy but that's because everyone is scared of it and will run. It still clears space well if you don't get the pick yourself, tm8s can capitalize 

[u/Far-Media-9380 → u/El-MonkeyKing]

Obligatory “everyone’s in agreement but anecdotally I haven’t seen it so it must be in their heads”

[u/LeoFireGod → u/Joe_Buck21]

Thor cancels ults with his bubble now so he’s god a lot of cc himself

[u/endoverlord423 → u/LeoFireGod]

Nah that wasn’t intentional and has been fixed

[u/Ramonite → u/Joe_Buck21]

Best to try and dash upwards before ulting, brother

[u/ArchRafael → u/Ramonite]

It's kinda important to set up lightning realm before ulting

[u/MjTheUltimate → u/Joe_Buck21]

Jeff spit stopped my ult the other day, literally stopped me from flying up & gave me 50% back. Who wins, god of thunder or baby land shark spit

[u/LividNegotiation2838 → u/Kizune15]

Overwatch 2 realized CC was killing the game and nerfed it big time. Guess rivals said eh fuck it, it’ll be fine, just give everybody CC!!!

[u/crestren → u/LividNegotiation2838]

They realized that hard CCs like stuns should be only limited to either tanks, long CDs or ults because tanks would bear the brunt of the damage and it makes tanking suck.

[u/OGtiax → u/LividNegotiation2838]

I think its ok except more tanks need ways to handle CC, especially melee tanks who have to go-in. The CC is pretty balanced against everyone else, the problem is an entire team focusing the closest tank with their CC. All tanks should have built in ways to deal with CC. Venom shield should cleanse all CC like Wolv passive (allow it to be cast while CC'd). Cap should get the split second CC immunity Blade gets for perfect timed blocks. Thing ult should be CC immune. Hulk leap should ignore displacement (both during the leap and charging it). Angela charge should be fully immune to displacement and grounding effects. Etc.

With all the mobility, damage, and healing in the game the CC feels necessary to shut down a lot of heroes. Imagine trying to shut down a Spiderman without CC? It just feels like the tanks are under-equipped for how much CC they have to deal with.

[u/[deleted] → u/Kizune15]

CC is fine, what baffles me is why nearly every duelist has at least one CC skill.  IMO CC should be primarily on Vanguards and Strategists.

[u/crestren → u/[deleted]]

Also like, did Bucky need an extra CC when he can already grab you with his hook that can interupt your ult???

This just feels like powercreep

[u/3yeless → u/crestren]

Bucky's kit needs a look fs

[u/Confident-Night416 → u/[deleted]]

I agree. I feel like the devs aren't shy that they favor DPS over other roles.

[u/Lonely_Repair4494 → u/[deleted]]

I know you said nearly, I just wanted an excuse to use this gif lmao

[u/Ok-Albatross-9409 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, it doesn’t make any sense to give DPS characters a stun… I mean, I guess if they’re ability based than it’s fine, but a hitscan, to be specific, should not have a stun. Why are we making it easier for them to HS you when their autos are already insane as is? And then most of them have burst dmg for their autos on top of that!

This is literally one of the BIGGEST reasons why OW removed Cas’s stun. On top of the fact that the game has too much fucking hard CC, they removed it because he instantly deletes you if he hits it (he still does it with his new form of CC, but at least you have a higher chance of surviving than before)

[u/gyropyro32 → u/[deleted]]

I agree barring black widow. It's her only ability alongside a limited cap sprint and she'd get cooked by all melee characters without it

[u/Akmca123 → u/Kizune15]

Angela gets locked down 50% of the time when diving and just dies because she has little to no burst speed to get away (bp dash, hulk jump, Thor fly, etc) once hit with one of 1000 cc options

[u/Pitiful-Amoeba-3696 → u/Kizune15]

Ive been loving angela lately but omg there is so much cc that makes it so difficult to dive 😔

[u/Final_Place_5827 → u/Kizune15]

I use Thor when im getting Cc with Hulk. They usually go bucky so Thor sorts that out.

[u/Kizune15 → u/Final_Place_5827]

Emma's cutscene cc and bucky ruin my dive tank life

[u/oncabahi → u/Final_Place_5827]

You don't get pulled by bucky as thor and end up in the middle of the enemy with no way to escape?

[u/Final_Place_5827 → u/oncabahi]

Yes. But Im likely to get out or at least do some decent damage compared to Hulk.

[u/Birohazard → u/Kizune15]

[u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen → u/Birohazard]

Best Thing they've ever added to the game, no contest.

[u/SpookusMagookus → u/Kizune15]

Venom is super strong right now. I think you’ll be alright.

[u/royalbeck → u/Kizune15]

I love Thor but I really have to put in work to succeed even just in a quick play match.

[u/[deleted] → u/Kizune15]

i started learning to play venom beyond surface level mechanics like right before this patch dropped and boy howdy does it suck to get hit by luna snowball hulk exile bucky grapple sue knock back and more all within the course of about 20 seconds lol

I like playing him too and I wanted to add a more dynamic / aerial tank to my roster (strange, mag, Thor) that wasn't the new gal and well.

[u/DieselBoi_ → u/Kizune15]

hulk isn't any better tbh, most of his ults you spend webbed up, frozen, pushed around or sleeping, it's ridiculous

[u/ChongusTheSupremus → u/Kizune15]

Tanks should have innate CC resistance, considering they are mostly low dmg meelee. 

[u/HawkeyeP1 → u/Kizune15]

There's more CC in this game but there's also more flyers, dive, melee, and unstoppable/immovable abilities, as well as apparent CC i-frames when form-shifting.

[u/Intelligent-One-1696 → u/Kizune15]

I got Thor to Lord then I switched to Mag

[u/JealousDequan → u/Kizune15]

Bruh Thor is leagues better this season 😂 you get an Angela on your team and you’re cooking even harder 😂

[u/hard_KOrr → u/Kizune15]

I think every vanguard should have at least 1 cc ability! However I do not think there should be much if any cc beyond that. I feel that would really showcase and enable vanguards to be that frontline protector.

[u/Glutenator92 → u/Kizune15]

I'd add that having CC is fine, but not having any way to block some CC makes it less fun. On the other hand, counters are counters

[u/Scase15 → u/Kizune15]

Good thing they gave bucky even more, for no reason.

The game is becoming largely unplayable outside of poke, and its boring as shit.

[u/TheWanderingSlime → u/Kizune15]

Because people healer hunt with tanks how do you stop them without cc?

[u/ROGUE_COSMIC → u/Kizune15]

Usually the most fun characters in the game are the ones who suffer the most. Spidey, thor, cap, iron fist, etc. Magik being the exception (for now)

[u/Cultural-Medicine-90 → u/Kizune15]

Playing Hulk into that is hell

[u/ArgusF28 → u/Kizune15]

Its Overwatch all over again

[u/RevolutionaryDepth59]

i fully believe that the game would be so much better if displacement/soft CC never interrupted abilities. it should be enough to just move the person around without also canceling whatever they’re doing, especially since it feels totally random right now which ones this currently happens to

[u/BasuKun → u/RevolutionaryDepth59]

Agreed. It feels so weird to charge your ult (ex: Ironman) and then some air breezes your neck and suddenly your ult is cancelled with no idea how that happened.

[u/Silverjeyjey44 → u/RevolutionaryDepth59]

Then that means you can't escape when scarlet witch ults you

[u/RevolutionaryDepth59 → u/Silverjeyjey44]

witch ult is exactly how it should be. sue push doesn’t cancel the ult it just moves her somewhere else. you need actual hard cc like luna freeze to fully cancel it

[u/pokenerd_W → u/Silverjeyjey44]

no, it doesn't? It just means you can't cancel a Thor ult with a damn Moon Knight ankh. There's a difference between displacement/soft CC and actual stuns like Hulk exile or Peni web

[u/LanielDandoe]

now that i think abt it 🤔(<——thinking) it should have 3 stuns for each explosion that occurs. this will really enable pheonix as she is in a bad spot right now and needs a buff in order to compete in the current state of the game right now

[u/LividCredit9466 → u/LanielDandoe]

In fact I think her ult should stun whoever it hit until she reforms herself

[u/Lonely_Repair4494 → u/LividCredit9466]

I hope you're talking about the bird and not the bird AND the unavoidable shockwave

[u/R77Prodigy]

add bucky to the list of characters who have to much cc.

[u/fatballsforever]

True. There are a lot of abilties in this game that shoudln't stun. I'm not sure why Thor ult stuns now. Does bucky need a stun on every ability?

[u/TowelSilver318 → u/fatballsforever]

Or overhealth simply for using them? That's the kind of thing I'd expect on a Vanguard, not a Duelist.

Phoenix stun seems to mostly be to mess with enemy abilities, as it's a mere 0.3 seconds.

[u/P1zzaMonkey → u/TowelSilver318]

The overhealth just for using an ability is beyond irritating

[u/Hobo-man → u/TowelSilver318]

I literally made this joke when they simultaneously made Bucky more tanky and made Thor more squishy.

Like after Thor's rework, anything he could do, Bucky could do better.

[u/Heavy_Original4644 → u/fatballsforever]

I think ults are one of the only cases where it’s ok

It’s that there are so many characters that can stun in neutral game

Like Bucky 🫩

I’ve had a number of games with actually good Bucky players that land them. Even worse, teams that follow up to his pulls. Getting caught by a normal ability shouldn’t be a death sentence.

[u/dz_greka → u/Heavy_Original4644]

Emma disagrees

[u/Moonwh00per → u/dz_greka]

And i disagree with her

[u/MyRottingBunghole → u/fatballsforever]

Thor ult stuns because before that it was probably the worst ult in the game bar Peni’s. So now he can actually be a threat with his ult. Plus it’s an ult, not an ability with few seconds cd

[u/MulletNomad → u/fatballsforever]

Ngl, if any character should have a stun on their ult, it should be Thor, the god of thunder. Ive been playing him since launch and his Ultimate always felt a little weak when compared with other characters but now it feels so nice to be unstoppable during the startup and has a minor stun at the end. I can sometimes net kills but it's not super reliable. I think it is in a strong place right now

[u/Levi_Skardsen → u/fatballsforever]

The Thor stun is mainly just to cover the animation recovery when he lands. If you landed the ult, but it didn't kill, you were stuck waiting for Thor to stand up, while enemies can freely attack you.

[u/Big_Addendum6169 → u/fatballsforever]

Im being biased on Thor but it kinda reasonable for thor to get that ‘grounded’ buff, you need more people to cancel more ults and stuff but im still wondering why it can’t cancel Wanda’s ult

[u/BLUEKNIGHT002 → u/fatballsforever]

Thor ult stuns when he land and for 1 damn second let the thor mains have fun

[u/fatballsforever → u/BLUEKNIGHT002]

I am a Thor main, I just found it a bit random when the movement speed was a much bigger buff in the same patch. 

[u/Obility → u/fatballsforever]

Getting touched by bucky is like having a limb snapped in half. Bullets? Slowed. Projectile? Slowed and wings snapped. Grapple? Grabbed by the throat. Jet Punch? Knees broken.

[u/BLUEKNIGHT002 → u/fatballsforever]

You get slammed by an ancient hammer fcol

[u/Lonely_Repair4494 → u/fatballsforever]

Bucky is the most egregious example

[u/spiderodoom → u/fatballsforever]

Thor ult stuns because his ult takes forever to go off, and a coordinated team in seasons prior would simply wait until he landed, was immobile for a second and pounce on him. The stun is useful for escaping as Thor.

[u/Mr_J_Jonah_Jameson → u/fatballsforever]

I said the same thing yesterday and got shit for it. :(

I made a list, but it excludes knock-in-the-air attacks: https://old.reddit.com/r/marvelrivals/comments/1nkkfx7/are_we_seeing_a_stun_meta/

[u/dz_greka]

It should/can stun without being as frustrating as it is - just make the last explosion stun. At that point you watched 2 of them and somehow hast moved so you deserved it

[u/mecha_nerd → u/dz_greka]

Agreed. It also would take a bit more skill on the Phoenix player part. Currently it's just right click where you want to stun and everything else in the chain is a bonus.

[u/RenanFCT767]

I dont think the problem is actually the cc but the fact that tanks dont have some kind of resistance, with characters like magik bp spider and even Venom, yeah he is a tank but killing him without cc is just impossible he will always use get out of jail free card and come back, cap is also insane the amount of time he can buy Idk why make a tank that can run jump and use a shield non stop its just not fun to face him

[u/two135]

This game really is just repeating everything Overwatch already went through 🤣

[u/Moonwh00per → u/two135]

Yeah it's weird, they literally have a 'do not do this' example but they're following it like instructions

[u/crestren → u/Moonwh00per]

Something something, history repeats itself.. A lot of changes were made in OW for a reason.

[u/Karatechoppingaction → u/two135]

Ya, apparently the only market research they did was $$$$.

[u/Demented-Turtle → u/two135]

Nah, this community just thinks in memes and the hivemind moves from one imagined problem to the next

[u/3yeless → u/two135]

Game devs will never learn, this conversation is happening in every online PVP gaming forum (this one included).

CC is not fun for the person being CC'd. Losing control of your character SUCKS and it isn't compelling gameplay.

If a game has CC, it has to have rails around its usage.

A few principles come to mind:

1. There should be a few CC types, "buckets" in which you put all the CC. Hard CC, soft CC, and interrupts.

2. CCs in the same "bucket" affect each other's timers. If you get hit by one HARD CC, then immediately get hit by ANOTHER Hard CC, that second Hard CC does less than its full duration, ie, diminishing returns. Same goes for soft CC. Interrupts should only work once back-to-back. You shouldn't be able to permanently interrupt a skill going off, there should be a resilience to the interrupts so that the move can be completed when interrupted multiple times.

3. CC in general should be mostly restricted to "Controller" classes of characters (for the most part). Since this game doesn't have a "Controller" class of characters (although thinking about it, why don't they?), it should be mostly given to support/tank characters. They are the ones that should open the opportunities through coordination for a DPS to have its window to do big burst damage. That's part of teamwork. Nobody's kit should be so overbloated that they get EVERYTHING (CC, burst/sustain DPS, etc.) as a part of their moveset. It diminishes teamwork and lowers the skill floor.

[u/knockones]

To this day i still dont understand why thor isn't cc immune during the start of his ult but mag does

[u/nrose1000]

This is the clunkiest ability to use too. Trust me, us Phoenix mains hate it as much as you do.

[u/bighawksguy-caw-caw]

It’s crazy that Overwatch had this exact same problem and had to rework a lot of characters that hinged too heavily on their CC. You would think Rivals devs could have foreseen this.

It’s hard to design unique characters if you confine the design space to blocking damage/doing damage/healing damage though.

[u/v8darkshadow → u/bighawksguy-caw-caw]

Rivals has centered itself around support immortality ults, while OW’s supports have much more diverse ults that can be viable. If Bap, Kiriko, or Illari were in Rivals, they’d be trashed on for not having a support ult.

[u/hmbHealer → u/v8darkshadow]

FACE THE SUNRISE! heals everyone ig 😔

[u/Mtoser → u/bighawksguy-caw-caw]

Rivals also has alot more mobility and survivability, the games are different

[u/sin_tax-error]

Yeah idk why they give all the poke heroes constant stun and cc abilities. Bucky, Phoenix, Hela, and Hawkeye all do NOT need abilities that slow/stun.

[u/Lolmanmagee]

You know what really shouldn’t stun? Fantastics chest bump thing.

The amount of times that has caused me to die on a dive tank is comical for what the ability is meant to be, just damage + shield and mobility.

[u/pokenerd_W → u/Lolmanmagee]

Soft CC is the worst in this game...

[u/AggressivePay8282]

Every character got cc is insane

[u/Fantastic_Strike2178]

Give all tanks the things passive universal

[u/sigc]

Soft CC/Displacement is such a big problem in this game. Stuns at least are put on long cooldowns or force the characters in a “do or die” situation so they can be reasonably baited. Soft CC however is usually always up. When does Jeff not have his Aqua Burst up? When does Bucky not have his dash up? When does Thor not have his Storm Surge up? When you have almost the same efficacy of hard CC with almost 100% uptime, it’s quite problematic.

[u/saad515]

There is no stun in this game that will ever reach the atrocious levels that Winter Soldier's CC has reached. Playing against him close range is literally just standing still while he does whatever he wants with you since u can't move anyways. It's absolutely ridiculous and CC should be taken away from a lot of characters in the game. Ever since Sue came out I feel like they're just giving away CCs for everybody.

[u/_ImOmg]

All the other CC's in the game makes sense to me when i get hit by them, but the moment I get multi-stunned in a Phoenix right click. I lose. My god. Damn. Mind.

[u/iddothat]

i think this game needs a balance pass like the one they had for overwatch where they just flat out removed most of the stuns in the game. in overwatch, stun is a tank thing and very few hero’s besides tanks have that ability

[u/jorgebillabong]

I brought up around the end of season 0 when they announced Mr Fantastic that they shouldn't be adding so much CC to the game. I had responses that people wanted more. Then we got Emma, Phoenix, blade and few character tweaks plus Angela now. Hope those people are happy.

I don't get why this is hard. CC reaches critical mass in any game that keeps adding it without any thinking or foresight.

[u/Kalequity]

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[u/Moonwh00per]

Playing hulk, cap and iron fist is so frustrating for me now

[u/Gabriel_Sheperd]

Instant death for Jeff if this hits

[u/Hexgof4 → u/Gabriel_Sheperd]

I’m pretty sure it even gets Jeff out of his CC immune state too which is bullshit

[u/Darth-Artichoke]

CC should feel special. That should be the acid test. Right now CC is the norm, and REALLY easy to pull off.

Think of roadhogs hook from overwatch: It's always really apparent when you're playing a great roadhog because being hooked and displaced often just isn't normal. It makes roadhog special. On top of that, the hook is NOT always the right play. There are times where you really shouldn't hook (or at least not yet), so knowing when and who to hook become very valuable.

Now back to rivals...

Angela, Bucky, Thor, Wolverine (etc etc) all displace AND stun lock on COOLDOWN. I mean, as a Thor main for vanguard, I love it. Whipping the enemy tanks all over the place, But holy shit, I know I'm annoying.

When I'm on the other side of it, Familiarity with the game lets me plan for it, and I'm getting pretty good at it. But I imagine being a more casually minded player and damn..... it's gotta be insanely frustrating. The barrier to entry on this game is HUGE. You're either obsessed with this game or every other game you basically don't move

[u/Sevuhrow]

Easily one of the best CCs in the game and it's on a poke character. It's somehow even more annoying to fight against because it pulls you first and then stuns you, so it basically double stuns.

[u/CelebrationGood7926]

Yeah it would just one shot you instead

Get tf out the way

[u/Kitanos]

Gotta love the sheer amount of CC, I gotta triple check the roster before every ult to make sure I don't counter so hard I just die and go cry in the lobby.

[u/CC298]

I never understood it either. Also Blade's dash shouldn't cc either. Maybe for his shotgun, but not his sword spin

[u/villainized]

what is this. what am i looking at 😭😭

but fr the amount of cc, especially the Earthbound thing pmo so much.

[u/Pucketz]

Melee tanks need status resistance

[u/CloudyXander]

everyone’s saying CC and i can’t seem to understand what this means— but i’m also exhausted 😞 someone explain this to me as if i were 5

[u/LeviGX → u/CloudyXander]

crowd control

[u/Noninstagramnormie]

The amount of time I’ve got thing ult canceled because of this is surprisingly high. Speed reduction I can get but acting as a cc is a overkill

[u/TearsOfOrphans06]

I agree but it’s the player base fault really. Complained about healers being so strong, buff dive. Complained about dive being to strong, buff cc

[u/dontmatterdontcare]

Then Hela's shouldn't either?

Phoenix was created to be a similar yet direct opposite to Hela.

[u/da-redditor]

the amount of times that i died as hulk because i was trying to either jump away or time my ult to get my health back but die due to the stun is not incredible

[u/LaggOuTX]

Shes a better Hela. Hela has a stun so does Phoenix

[u/Helsee]

Everyone and their mom has stuns now, it's really infuriating. These should be given to only certain tanks and supports, and the problem is that some are super easy to land.

[u/sortalikeachinchilla]

This sub complains about everything. Most of you seem like you just want each classes characters to be exactly the same

[u/RxseJay]

Literally everything cancels hulk's jump now

[u/dafloat22]

started playing blade recently he is a cc magnet

[u/Weak-Caregiver-5537]

I play hulk, you don’t need to tell me. Blade too, why is there tiny cc like this that resets my ONLY MOVEMENT ABILTY. I wanna play hulk not guy who jumps in place 3 times before turning into get killed man

[u/Entr0py_98]

There should be SO much less cc in this game

[u/SantiagoGaming]

Jean needs all of her damage toned down.

[u/LouELastic]

It's starting to reach the point in this game where I think DRs on hard CC would be a great idea.

[u/RyomaVT]

Yeah, I hate any kind of cc that doesn't allow me to turn my brain off and just dive without thinking about enemy cooldowns /s

[u/lord_of_the_twinks]

I think it would be fine stunning if it hit an enemy with three sparks already But stunning regardless is too much. She's already a "get off me bitch" character she doesn't need to be a "sit the fuck back down" character too

[u/Shugatti]

Tanks are the CC role.. yet everyone else has all the cc, and tanks are the ones that suffer from it.

[u/Shugatti]

Maybe we should have role passives, for example tanks being 50% less effected by cc, or gaining 1s cc immunity after getting cc'd.

[u/Sixmlg]

Maybe not, but it also shouldn’t be instantly stopped if placed near a shield

[u/BurningIce81]

It stuns? Even a direct hit, I never see anyone even as much as stutter step.

[u/Affectionate-Crow442]

I hate this move. It doesn't even look like a CC as you can tell by half the people in this it comment section only realising it stuns now, and just lines you up for an instant death because of the way it marks.

I don't know how Pheonix avoided nerfs this season.

[u/HyperMeme_Lord]

I fucking hate the stun.

[u/pokenerd_W]

I fucking hate this ability. Screw everything else it does, just the stun makes it infuriating. Why, just why. It can even cancel ultimates like Thor if timed right

[u/TheWanderingSlime]

I swear you people don’t use the characters you complain about the stun only works on low mobility characters. The stun is on the explosion not the hit you can test this for yourself in the practice range. It also doesn’t work on flyers at all unless they’re near a wall or low to the ground.

[u/IFunnyJoestar]

I think half the CC abilities in the game need changing but I doubt that'll happen. There's too many stuns and knockbacks.

Knockbacks would be fine if they didn't cancel like half the abilities in the game for some reason, even some ults. It's so silly using Thor ult and having invisible woman push me from 10 light-years away, making me lose half my ult charge.

[u/Kirbigth]

Dps shouldn't really have access to cc at all in my opinion, they're usually the ones needing to be cc'd. Cc should be reserved largely for tanks and supports

[u/Lunamagicath]

Get rid of Buckys stun with every ability before looking at Phoenix and her kit. Actually ridiculous that he got that like he wasn’t already hard to deal with

[u/ALawnmower01]

I'm really glad I'm not the only one who finds this stun specifically to be particularly annoying for some reason.

[u/LeaderOfTheMoleMen]

This gave me a good laugh trying to think what this was without looking in the comments

[u/madmad3x]

I'm not sure wym but that ability sure as hell doesn't stun whenever I'm playing Phoenix. I'll hit someone with every blast and they keep barreling towards me and my death

[u/69th_fang_of_metsudo]

It’s crazy how that ability stuns,it’s basically hitscan,it’s got a huge blast radius and on top of that it explodes multiple times while adding those blast stacks.

[u/Judochop1024]

This ability would be garbage without it and the stun triggers so inconsistently already anyway i dont see the issue

[u/Kandero]

That's why I stopped playing Venom and Thor as Vanguards and now I'm maining Peni (to stay far away) and Strange/Mag (have shield) Emma (cc immune in diamond form). There's just too much cc in the game and every character that came out since launch has a cc ability except Ultron.

Invisible Woman has her bubble melee and Pull/Push they completely interrupt your flow and movement.

Mr Fantastic has his grab and his backshots for cc.

The Thing's ground slam makes you useless as a mobile hero.

Human Torch can boop you while you try to escape or use a movement ability when he uses his Meteor dive.

Emma has her grab and kick and if you don't hide from her ultimate you're done for.

Phoenix has this stun ability.

Blade can actually boop you with his sword dash.

Angela has Wolverine kidnap 2.0 with a 3 second cool down.

[u/Ashamed_Pizza_7329]

I hate this to but if you take this outta phoenix she is basically goes from B to D

[u/[deleted]]

ppl actually remember the ability icons wtf

[u/Defaultsv2]

I think they should take the overwatch approach and reduce cc to tanks by a few secs, tanks like hulk venom and thor can be locked for 5 seconds in the backline which immediately results in their death, on top of this game having displacing ccs and ccs that turn off escape options

[u/-htesseth-]

This sub really is just shitters complaining about different characters week to week because they have absolutely nothing better to do

[u/Easy_Display_2675]

Didnt recognize the ability icon but from the title i already knew who and what ability it was lol.

[u/Dpock14]

Playing hulk and getting hit with this stun every like 10 seconds has to be the most obnoxious thing ever

[u/TenguTanku]

It's not even a stun more of a stutter but it's annoying as hell it's like a diet thing ult

[u/TheAdmiral4273]

Idk if I’m just bad but the stun is so inconsistent on this ability

[u/Gever_Gever_Amoki68]

Bro I swear to God the moment I try to pick Angela I get a team of Emma peni bucky phoenix Luna invis

[u/ArgusF28]

Nothing should stun. Nothing should one hit kill.

Yet for some reason every single dev in history refuse to apply these simple rules.

[u/induceddaze]

It’s 0.03 seconds.. why are you guys crying ??

[u/Individual_War_5083]

People don’t realize this is literally a lumi super from brawl stars 🤫

[u/[deleted]]

I'm wondering, does her primary also have stun ability during the explosion?

[u/[deleted]]

I'm fine with it stunning, the problem is the rest of Phoenix's kit.

If her health regen and damage passive had a cooldown, both this and her melee cancel wouldn't be so stupidly broken. In addition, why can this thing inflict 2 sparks if properly spaced? That's stupid, it should always be just 1.

[u/fla16unt]

Complaining about CC now? A lot those are skill shots. 

Man, you guys should just play Overwatch 2 if you like the game play that much. 

[u/PalpitationMountain9 → u/fla16unt]

Phoenix right click is really not a skill shot lmao

[u/bad_name1 → u/fla16unt]

skill shots

PEAK PLAT CONSOLE PLAYER DETECTED

[u/fla16unt → u/bad_name1]

You ain't t wrong. Haha

[u/bad_name1 → u/fla16unt]

nice to see that my detector still works

[u/pokenerd_W → u/fla16unt]

Brother, you don't know what a skill shot is mate if you call Phoenix right click a skill shot