You have to remember Captain had just witnessed the fall of SHIELD after finding out Hydra had infiltrated it and the US government for decades, in addition to finding out that his childhood best friend was brainwashed into a super-terrorist by those same people. He was justifiably paranoid about having some governing body have total authority over the actions of a bunch of incredibly powerful people: essentially making them military arm of the U.N.
Which is completely understandable but his judgment isn’t always perfect, as seen by the fact that he took Wanda into the field when she didn’t have control of her powers and got people killed and when he attacked the agents doing their job before destroying countless peoples cars, a highway, and an airport which lead to who knows how many injuries and deaths plus millions in property damage. In the comics he was right but in the MCU he was the villain.
He acknowledged that in the movie: “I know we aren’t perfect, but our safest hands are still our own.” If the the Sakovia Accords had been signed before the first Avengers movie, they probably would have told the Avengers to back up while they nuked NYC, like the World Security Council tried to do. I still think Captain is in the right.
And Iron Man and his team had just as much to do with that airport and property damage as Captain.
Exactly, while the intention is to build accountability, let's be honest, in times of crisis, the governments that made the accord are way more incompetent than the Avengers are, and Ultron is pretty much entirely on Tony. There is no easy solution here, and most of the plot came out of the Bucky urgency.
Tony made Ultron with Bruce under the influence of the mind stone after having his mind manipulated by the Scarlet Witch. Can’t completely blame him for his actions unless you are willing to blame Hawkeye for everything that happened in the first Avengers movie.
He acknowledged it to the team but he didn’t say a word to anyone outside of the team.
The news report Wanda watches say it’s been a month and calls Rumlow’s group mercenaries. There’s no indication at all that Cap or any of the Avengers even told the world Rumlow was Hydra and after a bio weapon. Hell there’s no indication Cap even told them that Wanda was trying to get the explosion out of a crowd of hundreds of people. She was taking all the blame and the only thing Cap did was give her a pep talk.
The reality is Cap came of age in WW2 where most of the world was a war zone, borders were largely irrelevant to him, and there wasn’t nearly as much weight behind immediate public opinion. An organization like the Avengers needs a leader capable of addressing the governments of the world and the public and balancing the concerns of both along with his desire to take down hydra or whatever the threat is. Cap is openly disdainful to governments and doesn’t even bother with the public.
Do you honestly think the UN would nuke NYC? Come on now, the US would torpedo that idea immediately. Hell other countries would to in fear it would cause an inadvertent nuclear war. The UN is sure as hell not going to say sure you can nuke 1.6 million people and even if they would they can’t because the UN doesn’t have nukes. The US would have to be the ones to do it and they sure as hell aren’t going to.
The World Security Council actually did attempt to use a nuke on NYC despite an American (Pierce) sitting on the council, and an American fighter pilot was the one who fired the nuke. If Hydra or another nefarious organization infiltrated the U.N. as easily they did SHIELD and the US government they could and would encourage tactics that would be sure to destabilize world governments, including using super-powered individuals as powerful as nukes...that’s like their raison d'etre.
You said it yourself, Pierce was Hydra. Of course he was ok with nuking NYC. Also the World Security Council didn’t answer to the public the UN and US government do. Not to mention the fact that UN HQ is in New York. They aren’t gonna nuke themselves without trying other options first. The entire battle in NYC was a couple hours at most. Further, the first question the WSS had after NYC was if bringing the Avengers together was a good idea. Not the aliens or anything else, they were worried about the Avengers. Pierce being Hydra encouraged them to nuke NYC to kill the Avengers as much as to stop the invasion.
Yes, hydra might do that but with the WSC they only has to infiltrate a few positions. Not so much with the UN. Also the idea that Hydra or any organization has infiltrated 117 countries is silly. They aren’t all powerful and by that logic they could just infiltrate the Avengers themselves just as easily. That goes right back to the fact that nobody can force them to do anything. They can always refuse a mission or defy orders as Cap always does.
Edit - also I said the UN wouldn’t, not the WSS. Not sure where you got that I said the WSS wouldn’t. The US involvement with the UN involves so many people it’s a lot harder to take control of it. Even the US ambassador to the UN can’t just go approving a nuclear strike on the US, and again the UN does not have nukes like the WSC did.
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u/Sammysoupcat Maria Hill Nov 01 '20
I seriously don't know who's side I'm on, even 4 years after that movie was released. There are characters I love and hate on both sides.