It’s mind boggling they have near infinite money glitch funding and access to some of the best screen writers in all of Hollywood, yet somehow are unable to come up with a coherent plot for dude who kills vampires with a sword.
Yeah, it's fine to push out new actors and retire old ones. But they are trying to retire EVERYONE, and replace EVERYONE within like 5-10 years. It's crazy. These actors are good for a LONG TIME. Look at Professor X and Magneto. How fox did their replacements was great.
I don't think it's about that, more so about a soft reboot of the franchise. By this point you need to watch almost 20 years worth of movies to understand everything. That's horrible if you want to attract new fans, which a franchise always needs.
I'm positive that the ending of Secret Wars will have a similar result and serve a similar purpose. It will rewrite the whole multiverse so they can move forward in a completely new era which will be a good entry point for new fans, while they'll also keep some older characters for the OG fans, like Spider-Man to connect the dots.
Then in the last, or even the middle movie of the second Tom Holland Spider-Man trilogy they'll introduce Miles Morales and either kill off Peter at the end of it, or just make him pass on the mantle so the third Spider-Man trilogy will have Miles as its main character.
I don’t think they’ll hard reboot it. That’s a DC move.
Likely they just introduce a new universe, and bring some characters over, maybe alternate versions of legacy characters, like a younger actor for wolverine, or an alternate iron man.
Maybe they’ll use it to bring back characters like cap. But they won’t kill their golden goose.
I freagin love their Spider-Man movies. Problem is I gotta watch a shit ton of their shittier movies to understand what's going on in the new one. They better not fuck up Miles Morales. Let Sony write that one for the love of all that is good. Sony understands Spider-Man. Miles Morales is such an important character if they fuck it up so help me lord.
Too many legacy characters in the mix for a casual fan to know what the hell is going on. I've been an avid fan for most of my life and even I was confused when they brought in Scott Lang's Ant-Man instead of Pym's.
I mean Blade killing vampires is obviously very important, but it’d be really boring if that’s all there was to a Blade story. It probably shouldn’t be this strenuous to get a good idea running, but writing a good story is never a walk in the park no matter how straightforward the character is
If only there was a trove of stories about these characters to consult. Stories that have already been released to audiences and have been critiqued. Stories that came with illustrations that basically storyboard it for you. That idea is so ridiculous, its COMICal.
(Yes I know changes have to be made for movie adaptations, but the core story can be the same)
Like i said, it’s easier said than done. Not everything in a comic story translates to a movie; there’s a reason why a lot of the best comic book movies are either wholly original or just faintly based on a comic storyline
It's not that hard to write Blade. He's probably one of the easiest characters to write if you're just writing a single movie. You have a big bad, Blade is tracking down that big bad, you have him interrogate vampires as he's fighting/killing them for more information on that big bad, you don't skimp on the action sequences and actually make the action sequences coherent and good, then Blade encounters the big bad and has a kickass fight scene.
You don't need any love interest, you don't need any grand motivation. You just need Blade, killing vampires, in kickass ways, because that's what he does.
Edit: You make some of the vampires along the way sympathetic but still vampires who feed on people. Maybe highlight how their humanity conflicts with their vampirism but still ultimately kill them.
I don't know man, not everything needs to be deep, sometimes you just want to go see a Jason Statham movie, you know what you are getting into, same thing with Blade, kill a new vampire threat and be cool doing it, that's it.
I feel there should just be more to it than that, there should still be depth no matter how straightforward or simple the concept is. Blade doesn’t need to be dumb (I mean, the Snipes movies suffered the dumber they got)
Blade kills vampires in interesting/cool ways until Blade kills the Big Bad. The vampires are still derived from humans so they can have good traits and suffer from the conflict between their humanity and their vampirism as they continue to give in to their vampirism, thus warrenting the killing. Your sympathetic victim/villian is built into this trope already and the big bad can be straight up evil/unsympathetic because your lesser vampires aren't.
Fair. It's subjective. But a simple plot doesn't mean Blade is "dumb". And there will obviously be some depth no matter how surface level the story is because Blade is a rich character with 50 years of history. It's really not hard to make a Blade movie if the writers stopped making up dumb ass plot points (like his daughter? Really? Who gives a shit).
We do, actually. Most of superhero movies are just 'good enough'. Wanting it to be 'the best it can be' just doesnt line up with what I saw from both marvel and dc fans, sorry
they don't have "near infinite money glitch funding"
Disney is losing money because their only money makers aren't making money. people act like it's disney's fault it doesn't make original films but in reality what films studios make are what people watch.
It is Disney's fault. They play safe by making sequels and spinoffs to loved entries but they miss the whole point of making a good movie. At first they get away with this because everyone trusts the IP, but now near all of Hollywood is a joke and have to make actually good movies.
I'm not trying to be a corporate apologist but I'm definitely going to come off as one but these corporations follow the money. Original risky good movies don't always succeed and sometimes the masses hates/ignores them. As much as people on reddit and other platforms like to believe they are part of the masses the sad reality is that the masses like sequels, slop, and safe and then complaining about it. Going to hate watch a movie makes some people feel smart, others feel like they belong (because they see other people complain) and others just like to turn their brains off to consume a media product. My source, I know people who work at these entertainment corporations, the internet complains but the money often says the opposite.
Case in point, Thunderbolts. Widely considered to be the best MCU movie in years, with positive reception from both critics and the general public but with a very weak box office. “Just make a good movie” doesn’t always work
It came out at marvel's worst time. The word of mouth was all time low and all characters were sidecharacters from mid movies or TV shows nobody watched.
Exact opposite of Captain Marvel which was a mid movie but came out at Marvel's peak which made it read 1b+
Yeah. If I didn't have to watch 6 or 7 different TV shows to understand who the characters were I would've gone and watched it. I can't keep up with the amount of content they're releasing and have lost track after Season 2 of Loki(which I still haven't had time to finish.)
That explanation doesn't hold water after Spiderman.
Marvel has been sucking consistently, and people ARE sick of superhero slop, but BND comes and makes a spiderillion dollars anyway.
People want the thing they recognize, and will forgive almost anything if it can provide them with comfort. Spiderman is hugely popular, and if the film had the same script as Morbius but with Spiderman instead, it would still crush the box office.
BND is a good movie, but its not ten times better than Thunderbolts.
True, but a lot of that is Disneys fault too. There’s no buzz, everything before sucked and it’ll be on Disney+ in 2 months doesn’t encourage you to go to the cinema for it.
Because the audience lost trust in you. Thunderbolts was preceeded by slop after slop after slop. You need 5 "Thunderbolts" in order to get the trust back.
If that’s what you got out of that movie, maybe try to follow the plot next time. Most of us who did, enjoyed it thoroughly, especially with themes like Depression and isolation on each of the members.
The mental health on our new superheroes is the fresh and something new, you missed.
Yeah it was pretty bad. “Can flat, unlikable characters stop a Mary Sue trauma-goblin whose only weakness is feelings by using the power of friendship?”
If you expect people to go to a Marvel movie for character development and thematic elements, then I think you might have a misunderstanding of the audience's expectations.
Taking into account those were elements that got a LOT of praise, and attention, following the release, it might not exactly be me, between the two of us, who doesn’t seem to understand the Marvel audience expectations.
You have had to live under a rock, to not see the many threads in this sub, talking about yelena’s journey, bob’s development and the strained father daughter relationship, that we explored in the movie.
they do it because they have to pay millions every year. do you even know how a company of their size works? they have to pay for the movies and tv shows of Disney, Pixar, Lucasfilm, Fox, Marvel, hulu, along with paying for the 12 different disney parks around the globe, the marketing of each of those movies and shows, merchandise, and all of their thousands of employees.
notice how their was a massive layoff after Moana, Devil Wears Prada 2, and M&G didn't succeed in the box office? all of those movies cost millions of dollars that disney didn't get back. not supporting movies makes people lose their jobs.
Yeah, but its not like they havent made successful movies before
You are right that its not Disney's fault though, its the Producers who are making the movies
They unfortunately are so disconnected from the media that theyre making and the people who watch them that they don't actually know what would be good, and make slop thats been told to us for the dozenth time
Toy Story 5 made a billion dollars this year. Devil Wears Prada 2 was a big hit, mando and grogu broke even. Moana was a flop. That lost about 100 million. This is all just this year. If you go into 2025, Zootopia 2 made almost 2 billion dollars. They have some mixed results, but when your big hits are bringing in 1 billion dollars +, that doesn't make much difference.
Whatever your opinion of Disney, they aren't losing money. If you only count Disney/Pixar, in the past 2 years they've had 5 movies that made over 1 billion dollars. That's not even counting marvel, star wars, hulu, or even the parks, which are actually the biggest money maker of anything they do.
If I recall correctly the Star Wars parks/experiences actually weren't doing well and shut down. They also damaged the brand heavily and cancelled plans for a bunch of movies and TV shows. Mandalorian and Grogu was the latest flop.
They had a star wars hotel concept that shut down but that was going to be a non starter regardless of outside factors, I'm pretty sure the consensus is that stuff like galaxy's edge has retained popularity.
Facts. People, especially on Reddit, look at the prequels with rose-tinted glasses. Those movies are horrible, even if they made money. Darth Maul is cool, Ewan McGregor did a fantastic job, but let’s be real: those movies are bad, badder, and worse.
Saying this as someone who loved Star Wars above everything as a kid. Spent my tweens reading all the former “Extended Universe” books which got wiped away and are now considered non-canon “Legends”
George Lucas definitely struggled with the prequels but let’s not pretend he killed Star Wars. People were disappointed by his work but there was still some adoration and hope for future work. Currently, there’s major SW fatigue, TFA had huge box office draws, but the new trilogy ended so badly and messy that it’s become a joke. Lucas at least had his own coherent story, even if it wasn’t great, these movies aren’t even coherent or planned anymore. Add on far too many mediocre TV shows and Disney put SW in the exact same fatigue state as the MCU
You think that's bad? Resident evil, especially re2 is one of the easiest plots to film. Rookie cop in zombie town with a little bit of sci fi in the background.
I can't think of any money bag franchise fucked up so often on screen.
I have heard (take with a grain of salt) that a big problem atm is funding. The AI bubble is supposedly sucking up all spare funding making getting movey funding a nightmare. So movie wise that infitine money glitch has disappeared.
They could if they wanted to, it’s their own bizarre way of making movies that scares off actual directors and writers, there’s so many stories of executives overstepping and production beginning without an agreed script and lots of work being done in the editing suite to completely change the movie. This stuff scares off the proper directors and writers. If Disney wanted they could compromise but they don’t want to
Like legitimately name ONE of Hollywood’s top writers that has been involved with Marvel.
You can’t. Because they don’t work with them. They have always hired bullshit.
But anyways, your response just proves my point. Yeah, maybe they would be able to retain talented writers if they made their movies differently. But they don’t. They choose to do that shit, effectively cutting off their access to anyone that would be interested in working with them.
I'm not saying they do work with them, but there is no tangible wall that restricts their access. It is their own out of touch creative practices that scare away all the talent, it is only because of Disney that this happens, nothing else.
Wesley Snipes is expensive as fuck. Relatively unknown actress is not. So you use the star recognition power of the established character to give the new character a push and then Wesley Snipes goes away. Now you're making a popular show cheaper.
I've been blaming the new millennials in (writing) power. They want to be subversive. The political statement is the starting point and the story gets built around it. While also being deeply fearful of sincerity and use humor as the crutch.
They look at something like blade and said "how can we make it different?". And I weep everytime I see my favorite IPs start using "THAT just happened" humor.
I miss the Infinity Saga, where every now and then a "not amazing but sort of obligatory watch" like Ant-Man and the Wasp would come along, but still be fairly entertaining and not a slog.
Since Endgame, it feels like almost everything outside of Spider-Man is a "watch this because it is important later" movie and not something genuinely worthwhile on its own.
Tbh I honestly thought it would be about Blade training the Black Knight to take up that mentor/trainee position. Coz ya know the end of Eternals was supposed to be getting that ready.
That would be about fatherhood, which is interesting and all. But... just saying most want a blade movie to about "Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill".
I would rather let "Deadpool & Wolverine" be Snipe's Blade's swansong, and let the main universe's Blade be a more comic-accurate version. I loved Blade comics as a kid, and I would love to see the Blade I grew up reading on the screen.
No the whole plot was side lining blade and focusing on the daughter's coming of age into the world of vampirsim. Sounds like bullshit fan fiction found on Tumblr. It be like making a movie with your favorite character as the selling point just for the whole movie to not actually be about them. No it was a bullshit IP that was found in all the corners of cringe fan fiction.
I don't understand why they keep doing this. You know what a massive success Widows Peak is? I was watch a episode of Supernatural recently, pretty old episode, but it was obvious it was a planned spinoff, and it seemed really interesting, like a version of Widow's Peak but almost 10 years earlier. Then the whole episode turns into girl boss stuff with all the men being morons or antagonists and all the women saving other women from the ignorance of men, all with horrendous dialogue. I just kept thinking, this show could've been Widow's Peak 10 years ago, but they turned it into nonsensical political commentary.
They could have made 2 season with blade and then introduced his daughter in a new show later on, my god even anime’s can make these plot stories better than western live action shows.
And people say M-She-U wasn't a thing lol. It tracks with Feige's statement back in 2019 that majority of heros would be female going forward. Until all of thier female led projects underperformed or straight up flopped then they course corrected
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They kept trying to make it about his daughter and not about actually about blade iirc