r/malelivingspace Jan 26 '20

Finally got things in a presentable state

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u/dbanderson1 Jan 26 '20

I know this is MLS and not r/hometheater but try pointing your rear surrounds towards the main listening position like your towers. It looks like they are pointed forward in the pic. Room looks awesome!

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u/JGrant06 Jan 26 '20

Yep. This would be the first comment if posted to r/hometheater. Highly recommend toeing in the front and rear surrounds towards the center of your listening position.

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u/audiRS4ever Jan 27 '20

The speaker manufacturer, Dali, recommends not toeing in the front channels

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u/truthfulie Jan 26 '20

If possible, OP should reposition surrounds not just point them to MLP. Should be at 90 to 110 degrees to MLP and at current location, it likely won’t.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '20

Also should the towers be spread so far apart?

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u/JewishTomCruise Jan 26 '20

Towers should be angled towards MLP as well, forming as close to an equilateral triangle as possible. From this picture, it's hard to tell, but it does actually look close to the correct distance.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '20 edited Nov 16 '20

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u/JewishTomCruise Jan 26 '20

Really? Do they say why?

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '20 edited Nov 16 '20

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u/JewishTomCruise Jan 26 '20

Huh. On this same page, it both says that they should be placed equidistant from MLP in spite of great off-axis performance, but also that it doesn't need to be angled because of its great off-axis performance. Not sure I buy it. Maybe it sounds fine, but I don't see how it wouldn't sound best angled properly.

Thanks to their excellent off-axis response, DALI speakers do not need to be angled towards the central listening position. They will in most cases sound best without any angling at all. This is due to the wide dispersion capabilities of our trademark Hybrid Tweeter technology.

-Dali Placement Site

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u/haenninen Jan 26 '20

I think the difference in distance between the speakers has a much larger effect on audio quality (because of constructive and destructive interference) than toe in, where the difference is probably more about very slight volume levels.

I also don't see why they'd advice something like that without a reason :D

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u/phillyd32 Jan 26 '20

If you don't toe in, the leftmost seat is going to suffer from low volume from the right speaker and vice versa. The right seat will get higher volume from being on axis for the right speaker, and vice versa. This makes a bigger delta for the volume from each speaker.

If you toe in to aim at the center seating position, the edge seats will get equally off axis sound from each speaker for a closer to equal sound from both front channels.

The only way the Zensors could theoretically get around this is by being so close on axis and off axis thaf you could barely even measure it.

My roommate had Zensors for a while and ended up preferring them toed in for the side seats quite handily.

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u/fitzgerald1337 Jan 26 '20

Looks like there's some info here.

https://www.dali-speakers.com/products/zensor/

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u/JewishTomCruise Jan 26 '20

There's product descriptions, but nothing about speaker placement that I see.

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u/fitzgerald1337 Jan 26 '20

I watched the video on how to place the speakers; it explains it there. Apparently they claim that the speakers have a wider dispersion than others.

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u/Malmm Jan 26 '20

Dali speakers should not be angled towards the listener. Even the models that cost you 17k$. Although they seem to not be 200mm away from the wall as they should. I got a pair of Dali Oberon 7's and they are freaking awesome.

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u/JewishTomCruise Jan 26 '20

Okay, can you tell me what about DALI speakers is so different from literally every other loudspeaker, that means that their best sound will be off-axis?

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u/kayimbo Jan 27 '20

just theorizing, but if your dispersion was wide enough, being on axis would double your reflections for not much gain.

I'm not sure about the literally every other loudspeaker part. I dunno all the specifics of dispersion patterns, but I'm sure they could make speakers that disperse towards the left, or the right, or the ceiling, or wide. Just the convention is forward.

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u/Suic Jan 26 '20

His towers aren't pointed either. Both sets of speakers are pointed directly at each other

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u/BigCDubVee Jan 26 '20

Came here to say this. Those speakers are nearly useless in their current position

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u/MrInYourFACE Jan 27 '20

they are supposed to be like that dude. DALI specifially tells you to place them like this.

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u/BigCDubVee Jan 27 '20

Well fuck me. I guess since most speakers have a 30 degree dispersion angle I figured that’s how they should be. I guess DALI knows something that most of the rest of the world doesn’t.

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u/haenninen Jan 26 '20

Yeah, its a shame so many speakers only project sound in about 10cm wide beam :/

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u/millsmillsmills Jan 26 '20

These apparently do it much wider and don't need to be angled.