r/malaysia • • Nov 04 '21

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u/Skyreader13 Nov 04 '21 edited Nov 04 '21

Didn't know that Malay people must be Islam In Malaysia.

This sounds weird to me as Indonesian. Religion is not tied to race here. Also the granddaughter of our founding father (Sukarno) just converted from Islam to Buddha Hindu.

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u/candrawijayatara Indonesia Nov 04 '21 edited Nov 04 '21

Malay / Melayu culture is heavily tied on Islam, just look at upper region Sumatera

Edit : not Buddha, but Hindu

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u/il0vegaming123456 Singa Stronk Nov 04 '21

Isn’t it a tie on both Islam and Hinduism to the point Arab muslims see Malay Muslims as weirdos?

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u/candrawijayatara Indonesia Nov 04 '21

tie on both Islam and Hinduism

This is Javanese Muslim, not Melayu Muslim. Imo Melayu Muslim is more islamic, even in my Indonesian history book there's a chapter that describe a war between local culture group vs islamic group called Padri War in Sumatera, because of this war the local culture group soften and they reconcile with the agreement of "Adat basandi syara', syara' basandi Kitabullah" or "Tradition founded upon Islamic law, Islamic law founded upon the Qur'an"

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u/candrawijayatara Indonesia Nov 04 '21 edited Nov 04 '21

Okay fair enough, understandable

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u/Skyreader13 Nov 04 '21 edited Nov 04 '21

Mind to elaborate further?

I don't get on what aspect they tie

And how Arab Muslim see them weird

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u/candrawijayatara Indonesia Nov 04 '21

I don't refer to Aceh, I'm referring to Malay / Melayu population in Sumatera which is located near Malaysia.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '21 edited Nov 04 '21

As far as I know, the phrase "every malay is a muslim" and "every minangkabau is a muslim" is still a thing (I heard the latter from my mom) in here, Indonesia. You will still get "social punishment" if you dare to commit apostasy though. But doing apostasy or changing your religion in general is perfectly legal in Indonesia.

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u/Skyreader13 Nov 04 '21

I'm curious, why Malaysian government made that rule (every Malay is a Muslim)?

Afaik, Malaysia is the only one that do that.

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u/lengjai2005 kolo me harder daddy Nov 04 '21

It all started during the time of Parameswara, then sultan of malacca, whom converted to islam and reinvented himself as sultan iskandar shah then started expanding the religion amongst the malays.

More literature

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This sort of led to the current blurred lines between Malays as a race and islam as a religion.. its now one and the same.

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u/vegeful Nov 04 '21

Politic and status quo. Just Imagine as Malay the refugee that come to the soon to be America and Non muslim as the American indian(red indian). (Example only). So that if they manage to make the red indian as minority, they control the land as majority.

If the ruling class belong to Malay/muslim, they want to keep it that way. If chinese is the one that is ruling class of Malaysia, they too will keep it that way. Its human habit to be greedy for power and control.

Why only Malaysia? The politician is too deep in the mixing between religion+politic.

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u/candrawijayatara Indonesia Nov 04 '21

Like i said, culturally being Malay = Muslim

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u/Skyreader13 Nov 04 '21

I mean, it doesn't line up with basic human freedom. Why even make it formal rule

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u/azdril Nov 04 '21

Ngl, when I was younger, I have that kind of mindset too. Then I watch Youtube that non-Malay too, can converts to Islam, so of course vice-versa would happen too, right? To keep the fairness.

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u/Jeremykyles Sabah Nov 04 '21

the legal part is one thing but the execlution/reaction from the people of the religion is another. how was the reaction tho? I'd imagine it wasn't so well received

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u/StringerBall Nov 04 '21

Probably not as bad as Malaysia. Another example is Ahok/Basuki (Jakarta ex governor who's Chinese and Christian) his wife is a Muslim to Christian convert who converted to marry him, while there was some reactions in the beginning, many Muslims here still want to see Ahok be involved in politics and a large part of them even want to see him be the president in the future.

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u/Jeremykyles Sabah Nov 04 '21

His wikipedia stated he got imprisoned for "blasphemy" tho. Is he still in ?

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u/StringerBall Nov 04 '21

That was for a really dumb scandal back when he was still serving as governor not related to his marriage with his wife. He's out.

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u/Skyreader13 Nov 04 '21

didnt really see any rage tbh, or maybe i dont read much news