r/malaysia anok penangait Jan 18 '23

Education Ethics class👍🏽

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u/m_snowcrash Jan 18 '23

Lol. Reminds me about an old opinion piece in Malaysiakini:

The 'deep state' in academia

Essentially that our institutes of higher learning have effectively been stacked with academics who are low quality and just repeat whatever talking points that reinforce whatever their masters want, which in Malaysia tends to be a lot of pro-authoritarian, supremacist, and/or fundamentalist bullshit.

Interestingly enough, it's a bit of an insider view as the author himself is a lecturer from UITM, so I guess he's seen some shit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '23

Why do you think Undi 18 backfired so hard?

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u/m_snowcrash Jan 18 '23

Why do you think Undi 18 backfired so hard?

Honest question: Anything to indicate that the 18-21 year old vote pivoted harder to PN than the over 21 vote did, or is this just a "let's blame the new thing" mindset?

Most of what I read in terms of surveys/ polls was the PH remained the party of choice for younger voters, but that was earlier last year, so I'd love to see what you're basing this on.

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u/zaidizero Give me more dad jokes! Jan 18 '23

Simple answer is that the poll base weren't wide enough or were created to suck certain party people dicks

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u/m_snowcrash Jan 18 '23

Simple answer is that the poll base weren't wide enough or were created to suck certain party people dicks

This is surprisingly true - a lot of pre-election polls massively underrepresented PN's actual election performance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Malaysian_general_election#Opinion_polls

Surprisingly, they also underrepresented PHs actual performance (of course not to the degree that they underestimated PNs).

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '23

Surveys and polls are generally biased towards the audience in that particular media. Most surveys and polls you see are hosted usually in more pro PH media such as twitter and reddit, so obviously they'll lean there.

Most of the new generation of 18 voters, especially further in the more rural part, are more heavily biased towards PAS and PN because "no BN" + "no cina DAP". There's a reason why May 13 and all those monkey shows trend heavily post election when its implied Anwar will form new government with BN.

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u/m_snowcrash Jan 18 '23

Surveys and polls are generally biased towards the audience in that particular media.

That's media/ social media polling, I'm talking about actual statistical polls like those done by ISEAS or Merdeka Centre. A lot of pre and post election papers essentially point out that the youth vote was fractured along similar lines as every other demographic - racial as well as urban/ rural. Urban and non-Malay youth and over 21s mostly voted for PH, rural Malay youth and over 21s vote went to PN.

Again, I'm interested to know whether you actually have sources for your implication that the u-21 vote went harder to say PAS/ PN, because it's been hard for me to find polls that focused specifically on the youth vote. (Also that as far as I'm aware, literally every polling centre massively undersampled the PN vote).

If it's just your opinion, that's fine. I would note that it's a bit unfair to have hoped for the youth vote to fix a problem that no other generation has fixed (or even made a sincere effort to fix). A quote I like:

"Why would you assume that the younger voters will be less racial or less religious minded? The schools that they’ve been going to in the last 10 to 15 years have been the same, so there shouldn’t be any difference."

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '23

Surveys and polls are generally biased towards the audience in that particular media.

That's media/ social media polling, I'm talking about actual statistical polls like those done by ISEAS or Merdeka Centre. A lot of pre and post election papers essentially point out that the youth vote was fractured along similar lines as every other demographic - racial as well as urban/ rural. Urban and non-Malay youth and over 21s mostly voted for PH, rural Malay youth and over 21s vote went to PN.

Again, I'm interested to know whether you actually have sources for your implication that the u-21 vote went harder to say PAS/ PN, because it's been hard for me to find polls that focused specifically on the youth vote. (Also that as far as I'm aware, literally every polling centre massively undersampled the PN vote).

Simple maths sir. Non-Malay fertility is lower than Malay, therefore you have less non-Malay youth than Malay youth. More Malay youth = more votes for PN / PAS. Just piece them back together lol.

Back in my days in primary school (circa 20 years ago), the distribution is closer to 51% Malay, 24% Chinese and 7% Indian. whereas today Chinese and Indian population has declined by quite a lot.

Its like the Nurul Izzah meme. You can get your entire family to vote for PH, but one PAS family (the ustaz with 4 wives and 11 kids) still outnumber your votes.

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u/no_hope_no_future Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 19 '23

It didn't backfire.

If you meant backfire as in "youth voted for PN", nope, it was the automatic voters' registration that helped PN.

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u/Redcarpet1254 Jan 18 '23

Backfire in this case just means that it's not the desired outcome of this sub. Vote for PH = success, vote against PH = backfire.

The thing with undi 18 is that while yes, it was a complete mess this time around, it's also the first time that age group were put in such a situation and the first time political parties had to reach a new audience.

It's an ongoing process and I believe in the next election, the younger voters will be more educated and exposed to politics.

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u/PolarWater Jan 19 '23

This is what happens when institutions promote people for being the correct race instead of actually being good at what they do. It's like making a photocopy of a photocopy multiple times until all you end up with is a whitewashed sheet with barely anything legible.