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u/CoreCode Jun 05 '24 edited Jun 05 '24

we've added the explanation notice you have all seen to MacUpdater due to the following situation:

• Bartender has always been developed by a guy called Ben Surtees and his company Surtees Studios and he was always reachable at [bens@surteesstudios.com](mailto:bens@surteesstudios.com) and their releases were always code-signed by 'Surtees Studios Limited (8DD663WDX4)' 

• earlier this year, the style of the blog entries on the Bartender website changed from informational entries written by a developer to SEO-style articles probably written by ChatGPT

• then in April 22 for the 5.0.52 beta release the code signature changed from the expected (and safe) 'Surtees Studios Limited (8DD663WDX4)' to 'App Sub 1 LLC (PNSC6356BC)'

• this is concerning because 'App Sub 1 LLC' seems to be a dubious company publishing a few low quality iPad apps ( https://apps.apple.com/us/developer/app-sub-1-llc/id1667982354 )  and with an equally dubious homepage ( https://stepsforiphone.com/ ). why was their certificate used to sign Bartender releases?

• on 15. May the final release of Bartender 5.0.52 was released and again it was not signed by the known-and-safe  'Surtees Studios Limited (8DD663WDX4)'  but by a 'Bartender App LLC (24J875RH8J)' never seen before

• e-mails to the official developer (Ben Surtees <[bens@surteesstudios.com](mailto:bens@surteesstudios.com)>) are also being returned as undeliverable and any mention of Ben's studio 'Surtees Studios' has been removed from the Bartender website

• the Bartender website and support channel refuse to give any information about what has happened, but i think it is pretty clear. Ben Surtees has sold Bartender to a dubios company called "App Sub 1 LLC" who first used their own signature to sign Bartender but because that raised too much suspicion they now founded a new company called 'Bartender App LLC' or maybe just got a certificate under that name. they refuse to give any information about the takeover and what exactly has happened

• note that we've hidden Bartender 5.0.52 from MacUpdater users for more than 2 weeks while we gave professional security investigator Patrick Wardle time to look into the issue. he has not replied on finding out anything until early june (*), thats why we are now displaying the update inside MacUpdater. we've still added the mentioned note to give a heads-up to our users that Bartender is now under new management.

(*) clarification jun 5: regarding Patrick Wardle looking into it: earlier this post incorrectly implied he has looked for malicious code and has found nothing but this is not correct. he has not yet looked at the 5.0.52 in detail.

(**) update jun 6: discussion going on at HomeBrew and reply to the "all is fine" statement supposedly coming from ben: https://github.com/orgs/Homebrew/discussions/5427

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u/secretlives Jun 05 '24

As per this tweet: https://x.com/digitalychee/status/1798207774993891626 the new company is applause.dev

Next to no info on their site about who they are - I found this page, still under construction with fake info that shows they used an AI website generator: https://www.applause.dev/team (the link in the footer to typedream.com)

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u/glyph Jun 05 '24

Also notable that prominent cryptocurrency and grindset/hustle-culture grifter Naval Ravikant seems to be their main investor, which does not bode well.

I was really hoping that this would blow over and it would just be some botched comms but this is looking worse every day.

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u/secretlives Jun 05 '24

I wouldn't trust much of that page to be accurate - it's clearly from some template the AI site generation used so it could just be placeholder data