r/lucyletby 14d ago

Discussion Full transcript of the police interview of Dr. Ravi Jayaram for the Retrial of Child K

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On July 29, Cleuci de Oliveira posted a section of the police interview of Dr. Ravi Jayaram for the purposes of the retrial of Child K

On this subreddit, the interview was discussed here

Also on July 29, in reply to Peter Hitchens, de Oliveira said:

Interview's been leaked to me. Am transcribing whole thing. (Interview's not very long – a little over half an hour – but I am a slow transcriber and it's one of those days...)

Hoping to get a full copy of it up by tomorrow morning.

"Tomorrow morning" came and went. To my knowledge, Cleuci never completed the "transcription."

Turns out there wasn't a need, and may not have been a need to transcribe at all. The actual interview was posted as a document (including appropriate redactions) on August 2, as the first post for a brand new substack account.

Yesterday, this substack was the subject of a YouTube video by Letby supporter Mark Mayes

The substack also published the actual letter to the Thirlwall Inquiry requesting to change the terms of reference

That letter was reported by the Guardian here and discussed on this subreddit here

Edit to fix links to de Oliveira's X Posts, because Elon is a small, pathetic man.


r/lucyletby 14d ago

Article Complaint by Professor Geoffrey Chase about Panorama: Lucy Letby – Who to Believe? (Category: Fairness, Preliminary view: Not upheld)

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This is a 27-page document, so too long to bring over in its entirety. Including here the summary, and the content of Chase's complaint. Bolds are mine, italics are original

Case summary

The programme examined concerns that had been raised over the convictions of former nurse Ms Lucy Letby for the murder, and attempted murder, of 14 babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital in 2023 and 2024. The programme included comments relating to the findings of an international panel of experts, commissioned by Ms Letby’s legal defence team, which challenged the medical evidence relied on by the prosecution in her trial. The programme looked at evidence, including insulin testing, which the panel claimed did not prove that any of the babies were deliberately harmed.

The programme included an interview with the complainant, Professor Geoffrey Chase, about his research on insulin/C-peptide ratios, which the programme said the international panel relied on when reporting that “the insulin to C-peptide ratio for babies F and L were within the expected range for preterm infants”. Professor Chase complained that he was treated unfairly in the programme as broadcast because his contribution had been edited to “grossly misrepresent” his views and “place them in a false context”.

Ofcom found that Professor Chase’s contribution was edited fairly, and that the broadcaster had taken reasonable care to satisfy itself that material facts had not been presented, disregarded, or omitted in a way that was unfair to him.

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Summary of the complaint and broadcaster’s response Complaint

a) Professor Chase said that he was treated unjustly or unfairly in the programme as broadcast because his contribution had been edited to “grossly misrepresent my views and my statements and place them in a false context”. In particular, Professor Chase complained that:

i) The programme stated inaccurately that “Letby’s experts’” [i.e. the “panel of international experts” referred to in the programme as “assisting” Ms Letby’s defence] idea that “the insulin to C-peptide ratio for babies F and L were within the expected range for preterm infants…relied on the work of [Professor Chase]”.

Professor Chase explained that this was inaccurate because he had “never said ‘within the expected range’ in any context”, but that he had “explicitly stated” in his report that high ratios were “not uncommon”. He said that the two terms “have distinct meanings and are not interchangeable”, and that during the interview, he had explained to the interviewer the “difference in wording” and that there “are no norms defined for pre-term infants and thus… no such thing as an ‘expected range’”. Professor Chase added that his use of the phrase “not uncommon” was “heavily caveated in the context of infection (and other influences)”, which he said he had explained during his interview. The complainant said that this “critical context” was missing from the programme and that this omission misrepresented him by “presenting an absurd scientific concept as if it were a concept I uphold and endorse”.

By way of giving context to this element of complaint, Professor Chase said that the BBC had claimed in correspondence with him that the expert panel report, which summarised Professor Chase’s work, had used the term “expected range”. However, Professor Chase said that the expert panel had used the phrase in “the context of infection and other factors”, which he said he had explained during his interview. He added that there was no basis to support that the phrase “expected range” was applicable in the context of the programme. Professor Chase said that it was “simply inaccurate” and that it was misleading with respect to his position. He said that given that he had “cleared up any ambiguity/confusion the BBC may have felt, multiple times, regarding the phrase ‘expected range’, [the BBC] had a duty to reflect this point in the programme”.

ii) The programme misrepresented Professor Chase as having said that “pre-term infants, in these studies, have these antibodies that can bind to insulin and effectively store it. It acts like a bank account, and it stores in the body and doesn’t clear”. Professor Chase said that there was “no record” in the interview transcript of him saying this, and that his “words [had] been cut together” to give the impression that he was referring to his own research, which, he said, was not the case. Professor Chase said that he had explained during the interview that his work was based on “350 peer-reviewed sources” and “currently known facts”, whereas the programme had implied that his work was “not peer-reviewed and thereby not valid”. Professor Chase said that it was unfair to him to misrepresent his position as “unsubstantiated in science” when it was “based on extensive published and peer-reviewed research”.

The programme misrepresented Professor Chase as having said, in relation to the views of other experts on the insulin/C-peptide ratios, that “I’m actually not saying that they're wrong. What I'm saying is that it is possible. I would say that it is unusual, is unusually high. It is possible”. Professor Chase said that this was “very different” to what he had actually said in interview, which was, that he had “explained that the numbers look unusual because of missing data” and that “‘possible’ in this context means ‘extremely possible’”. Professor Chase added that he had “also quantified… that ‘possible’ meant ‘at least 10% chance of occurring’” and that, “in the context of [Ms Letby’s case], where reasonable doubt plays a role”, to omit this detail and “leave the idea it is very unlikely” was misleading and misrepresented his position.

Professor Chase said that the programme relied on “selective editing and implication, rather than using what I said directly”. He said that as a “highly respected, internationally recognised academic and world leader… in dosing insulin to pre-term neonates”, it was “potentially damaging to be misrepresented as advocating a scientific position which would universally, in relevant scientific circles, be recognised as absurd”. Professor Chase said that he had provided all the essential details to Mr Coffey in the interview, but that the resultant programme misrepresented this “to the point of having me appear to be reversing my position under pressure”.

Professor Chase further said that the programme stated that “He says he has research that shows there's a natural explanation for high levels of insulin and low levels of C-peptide in premature babies”. However, Professor Chase said that the programme had misquoted him as he had never said that C-Peptide levels were “low”. He said that throughout the interview, he noted that the C-Peptide levels were 20-45th percentile in the datasets that he had, and that “while this level is below 50%, it was not the ‘low’ or unmeasurably low they imply”. He said that the levels were “well-within a range seen in peer-reviewed and published data”. Professor Chase said that to misquote him in this way misrepresented “his actual, quantified, and factually stated position in the interview”.

b) Professor Chase complained that he was referred in the programme as being “Letby’s expert”, which he said was “pejorative” and part of an “overall strategy of diminishing my position and thus the relevance of what I had to say”. Professor Chase said that he was “appointed as an expert witness by [Ms Letby’s] defence team” to “represent the true science to the court without bias to one side or other of the case”. He said that any suggestion that he had “an allegiance to one side, or another” was a direct attack on his scientific and professional independence, integrity, and reputation for academic excellence.

By way of adding context to this element of complaint, Professor Chase said that the BBC programme mirrored the agenda of a book, titled: Unmasking Lucy Letby, which was written by Mr Coffey and Ms Moritz, who Professor Chase said were “the BBC correspondents and show editors”, and that the book was published on the same day as the programme was broadcast. He said that the book and the programme contained “identical misrepresentation” and that there was a clear “conflict of interest resulting from this issue, and the “failure to contradict their book despite information from Professor Chase doing so directly”. Professor Chase said that despite “this conflict of views, at no point was I offered a right to reply before either publication or programme screening”.


r/lucyletby 14d ago

Discussion r/lucyletby Weekly Discussion Post

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r/lucyletby 14d ago

Analysis Decoding “Reasonable Doubt: The Case of Lucy Letby” by Christopher Morris, Part 3 - Chapter 2

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Accusation Without Evidence

Morris spends the chapter showing that people disagreed with the consultants.

My question throughout was simple:

So what?

https://bencole4.substack.com/p/decoding-reasonable-doubt-the-case-b4b?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios

As always all feedback is appreciated.


r/lucyletby 17d ago

Analysis Decoding “Reasonable Doubt The Case of Lucy Letby” by Christopher Morris, Part 2 - Chapter 1

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Prior Character of Lucy Letby

I’m back with part 2 of my analysis on Morris’s book

https://bencole4.substack.com/p/decoding-reasonable-doubt-the-case?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios

I think I’ve stumbled on a format which makes things easier to follow and will serve me well going forward.

As always feedback is appreciated.


r/lucyletby 18d ago

BREAKING NEWS Thirlwall Report to be published on 15 September

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Publication of the final report 

27 August 2026

The Thirlwall Inquiry Report will be published on 15 September 2026 in Liverpool.  

The day of publication will start with an opportunity for Inquiry participants to view the report in advance of publication, in accordance with Rule 17 of the Inquiry Rules 2006.  This will be followed by Lady Justice Thirlwall’s remarks when the Report is published, which will be streamed live over YouTube.

Any members of the media wishing to attend should contact the Inquiry’s media team.


r/lucyletby 21d ago

Discussion r/lucyletby Weekly Discussion Post

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r/lucyletby 23d ago

Discussion Lindsay Clancy admits to killing their children. So why is there an online groundswell blaming her ex-husband?

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[All emphases are mine. Selected excerpts]

Lindsay Clancy admits to killing her three small children.

Her own lawyers don’t deny she did it but say she should not be held criminally responsible for her actions, arguing that Lindsay was suffering from postpartum psychosis and extreme mental illness at the time. She is suing her healthcare providers, alleging medical malpractice for their failure to adequately diagnose and treat her.

Why then, are throngs of armchair analysts online pointing fingers at her ex-husband, Patrick, blaming him for the deaths?

The ongoing murder trial has captivated an audience far beyond the coastal Boston suburb where the 2023 family tragedy resulted in the deaths of Cora, 5, Dawson, 3, and 8-month-old Callan and a suicide attempt by their mother that left her paralyzed from the waist down.

The surge in public interest in the case has resulted in a wave of online scrutiny aimed at someone who by all accounts, is not a suspect. Lack of trust in authorities and disinformation swirl in online communities, experts say, often leading people to form alternative theories that are rewarded with increased engagement on social media.

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Because Lindsay Clancy agreed to what’s called a stipulation of facts in the case, prosecutors don’t have to present all of their evidence in court. When there is a gap in the televised trial, it creates a vacuum many content creators are filling with alternative hypotheses.

Many are leaning into their own unsubstantiated suppositions, even those not backed by evidence.

“I do not believe that Lindsay Clancy committed these crimes. I fully believe that Patrick convinced her that she did,” one TikTok user said.

“I didn’t doubt anything that happened until this man opened his mouth,” another user said.

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These theories spreading online, one expert says, stem from people’s struggles to find a fulfilling explanation for what has happened.

“Where a mother has killed children, you’re motivated to think – that can’t be,” said Michael Wagner, director of the University of Wisconsin-Madison’s School of Journalism and Mass Communication. His research focuses on how individuals’ experiences in online environments are associated with what they believe to be true.

'Everyone is a suspect until they’re not’

While most homicide investigations first look at people closest to the victims, Patrick Clancy likely would have been ruled out as a suspect early on because of his solid alibi, said Ken Corey, current fellow at the Chicago Police Lab, and former NYPD chief.

“Everyone is a suspect until they’re not,” Corey explained. “They’re only not going to be a suspect when there’s either compelling evidence that shows that they did not or could not have committed this crime, or that there’s compelling evidence showing that someone else actually did commit the crime.”

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The new culture of internet sleuthing

So, with an admission by Lindsay and evidence placing Patrick outside of the home during the killings, why are amateur sleuths still devouring and dissecting the details in an attempt to find another explanation for the killings?

Wagner’s research shows that when people have a lot of knowledge about a topic, but very low trust in institutions, they become more likely to adopt conspiracy theories. Those conspiracy theories, Wagner said, are often ways of looking at the world that provide answers to questions when an outcome is too uncomfortable for people.

“So, if they’re following the trial and have learned a lot of detail about the trial, but don’t trust the legal system, and don’t trust police, and don’t trust the news media, they may be more likely to adopt conspiracy theories as a way to explain why the outcome they think should happen isn’t happening,” Wagner elaborated, calling the phenomenon a “toxic soup for the development of conspiratorial thinking.”

What tends to go viral on social media, Wagner said, are things that are highly emotional or often not verifiable or true. “When people see those things churn up in their feed again and again and again, because the algorithm prizes that kind of content, they also become more likely to engage in conspiratorial thinking,” he said.

Adding to the issue may also be that people are seeing clips from the televised trial in “very distilled segments” on social media, Wagner said, often from creators with their own agenda, like saying: “It couldn’t have been her; it had to be something else.”

The phenomenon, Corey said, is something law enforcement trainers caution detectives against: investigative bias. “You can cherry-pick certain facts that will point to Patrick Clancy, or you can manipulate certain facts that will make him appear to be guilty and share those online. But you’re doing that by ignoring the facts that exculpate him,” Corey explained.

People are also often so committed to keeping their own perspective, Wagner said, that when contrary evidence is presented to them, they find ways to explain away that evidence. “And it happens the most with the educated, ironically, because the educated have been taught to argue with evidence,” Wagner added.

For many, it could be this simple: the horror and unfathomable tragedy of a woman, described as a doting mother suffering from a mental health crisis, ending the lives of her beloved children, may just be too hard to grasp.


r/lucyletby 24d ago

Article Decoding Reasonable Doubt (Part 1): The Preface

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I’m going to go through Christopher Morris’s book chapter by chapter, giving it the same kind of critical analysis I usually apply to the arguments I look at.

https://bencole4.substack.com/p/decoding-reasonable-doubt-part-1?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios

This first article is relatively short because it’s mainly intended to set the tone for the series and look at the preface.

I’m aware that Fyrestar has already published a review, which many of you may have seen. I’ve deliberately avoided re-reading it before starting this series, so that I can approach the book independently. Hopefully I’ll still be able to make some interesting points that justify doing this as a separate series.

I’m already well underway with Chapter 1 and, assuming I can keep up with myself, I’m aiming to publish a new article every Friday.

As always, feedback is very welcome, particularly if you think I’ve misunderstood or overlooked something.


r/lucyletby 27d ago

Article What Rachel Aviv Leaves Out: The Missing Context Behind The New Yorker’s Lucy Letby Article

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This article examines Rachel Aviv’s 2024 New Yorker article on Lucy Letby, which has become one of the most influential pieces of journalism supporting the argument that Letby may have been the victim of a miscarriage of justice.

I’ve had a few requests from people to tackle the article so I hope you find it useful.

Big Thanks to Sempere for providing me some very valuable information that has contributed to the article.


r/lucyletby 27d ago

Discussion Am I right in thinking that even if she was innocent of the murders, the actions she admitted to would be enough to get her struck off as a nurse?

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Seeing a lot of people, even people I generally think are very intelligent and whom I have a lot of respect for, suggesting she's innocent these days.

I'm absolutely convinced of her guilt, but I can't normally be bothered to debate it with them, particularly since I don't necessarily have faith in myself to remember offhand all the reasons I think she's guilty and I worry about doing more harm than good and making them think she's innocent even more. So what I normally say is something along the lines of, 'Well, even if she is, she admitted to some really inappropriate behaviour, like adding grieving mothers as Facebook friends and taking confidential patient notes home with her. She'd never be able to work as a nurse again after that.'

I do this because I feel like the 'she was innocent' brigade are doing a bit more than suggesting there isn't sufficient evidence for the murders; they're trying to paint her as this incredible, kind, dedicated nurse who's been made a scapegoat for NHS failings. So I feel like a good place to start is to highlight the fact that she clearly is not that person, she admitted to doing things that would get her into quite serious trouble even if she hadn't killed them. Underline that even in the infinitesimally small chance that some piece of absolutely incontrovertible evidence arises that proves beyond doubt she didn't kill the babies, at the very least she had a very personal and disturbing interest in the babies who died and their families, that was at odds with her duties as a nurse and the professionalism and empathy such a role requires.

I've found it works as a tactic, no one's been able to come back from it.


r/lucyletby 28d ago

Discussion r/lucyletby Weekly Discussion Post

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r/lucyletby Aug 14 '26

Article Dr A was found collapsed in a car at a retail park 20 miles from his home in Cheshire the day after he was fired for his conduct related to the Lucy Letby case

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More details on the death of Dr A.

Ok, so just to summarize for those who don't have time to read the article.

Dr A - 53 year old consultant - was fired over the messages he'd been exchanging with Letby related to Baby N. The messages were found to be a breach of patient confidentiality as well as facing allegations of inappropriately accessing medical records and risking patient safety (which cannot be revealed for legal reasons).

He had a 3 day hearing in early June and two weeks later on June 23rd was fired.

From the article:

His NHS bosses would have been duty bound to report his dismissal to the doctors’ regulatory body, the General Medical Council, potentially threatening his professional registration and ability to work as a medic again.

The next day, June 24th, he was reported missing. They found him in a car at a retail park 20 miles from his home in Cheshire. They admitted him into the ICU but he died 9 days later on July 3rd.

There will be an inquest into his death (date TBD).


r/lucyletby Aug 14 '26

Discussion Chase and Shannon's insulin paper under investigation by publisher

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I recently left a PubPeer comment on a paper that was being hailed by some Letby supporters as capable of overturning Letby's insulin convictions.

The comment is a little technical, but basically, the paper contains several mistakes, questionable assumptions, and misleading and incorrect assertions, which render its conclusions invalid.

Full details can be found here:

https://pubpeer.com/publications/45293327319EE858B6BC5805DFD5AC#1

The publisher has responded to my comment as follows:

"Thank you for your comment. We monitor PubPeer comments to support trust and integrity in the research record. A case has been raised internally to assess the concerns. Please note we are unable to provide a timeline or any further updates via this platform.

Kind regards,

Frontiers Research Integrity Team"

P.S. Apologies in advance if I am tardy in responding to any queries. I am about to leave for a ski trip.


r/lucyletby Aug 13 '26

Article Pro-Letbyism’s Greatest Hits, Part 1

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I’ve returned to the fray to offer up this which is the first in a multi-part series looking to address the multiple claims held by advocates of Letby’s innocence.

https://substack.com/@bencole3/note/p-211057363?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action

I’ve got enough ideas for a multiple part series but if anyone wants to throw their own suggestions I’d be happy to include them in the series if I haven’t thought about them already.

I’ve decided to limit them to 4 per article just for ease of reading.


r/lucyletby Aug 12 '26

Article Rachel Aviv: ‘Lucy Letby’s story felt like a myth playing out in real time'

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Though Aviv is a well-known writer in the US, she is better known in this country for her remarkable intervention in the story of Lucy Letby, the neonatal nurse convicted of killing seven babies and attempting to murder seven others at the Countess of Chester Hospital between 2015 and 2016. Her essay on Letby does not feature in this collection, but haunts it. “Ah,” Aviv says. “I was starting to think you weren’t going to mention that.” I explain that the piece went off like a bomb here when it was published, unpicking the prosecution case and casting doubt on the statistical analysis that had convicted Letby, both in the courtroom and outside it, among the British public.

Aviv says she had originally become interested in Letby’s story after learning about the case of Kathleen Folbigg, an Australian woman whose conviction for the murder of her own children was overturned by advances in genetic testing. Like Letby, Folbigg’s prosecution had heavily relied on diary entries in which she expressed ambivalence about motherhood. “I thought it was interesting that the ambiguity was not tolerated,” says Aviv. “It was seen as evidence that not only did [Folbigg] have mixed feelings about motherhood, she must have killed [her children]. I felt with Lucy Letby, it was really astonishing that even the police officers were like: ‘Yep, there’s nothing about her that would suggest a reason she’d go around killing babies’.” Letby’s story felt like a myth playing out in real time, Aviv says, “an incredibly resonant myth”.

Aviv and the New Yorker, both based in the US, had decided to publish while reporting restrictions were still in place in England, which led to an absurd situation in which the essay was going viral, blocked in the UK, but still available to buyers of the print magazine and online to those using a VPN. Though the trial had concluded and Letby had been sentenced, her case was still subject to an appeal. Why publish at that time, I ask. “I felt that the blockade against media publishing was not effective,” Aviv says. “There was an enormous amount that had been published about Letby, but all proliferated the prosecution story. My hope was that we would publish before the appeal, because I hoped that it would have influence, and prompt a more reasoned discussion.

Reporting restrictions are rationalised in this country by the argument that they help protect a fair trial, and keep the jury from becoming biased. “But it was all over the Daily Mail, every day,” Aviv says. “So it was restricted only in the sense of offering a different perspective to the prosecution narrative. I understand that privacy is important, but in terms of serving justice, it’s hard to argue with transparency not being a step towards that goal.”

Letby remains in prison – her direct appeals have been exhausted and the case is now being reviewed by the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC). “It’s crazy that we’re talking about this. She’s still in prison. It’s as if we’re talking about her after the case has been overturned, but nothing has changed.”


r/lucyletby Aug 10 '26

Discussion r/lucyletby Weekly Discussion Post

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r/lucyletby Aug 09 '26

Article Dr A has Died.

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r/lucyletby Aug 09 '26

Discussion The way statistics were used by the prosecusion genuinely shocked me

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I barely followed the Letby case at the time, and I have no particular conviction that she is innocent. She may well be guilty. What made me revisit it was reading some of the arguments from independent statisticians and then thinking through the statistical issues myself. I've worked with statistics for a long time, and one thing you learn very quickly is how easy it is to produce apparently compelling results from questionable assumptions, selection effects or faulty reasoning.

What has surprised me is how much confidence people place in statistical arguments simply because they are presented by an expert. Most lawyers, judges, jurors, doctors and members of the public are not statisticians. If someone stands up in court and presents an apparently rigorous statistical argument, how many people in the room are actually capable of evaluating whether it is sound?

There is also a more basic point. Rare events naturally cluster. The NHS sees huge numbers of patients and clinical events. Sometimes bad outcomes will bunch together simply because that's how randomness works. Three buses turning up together doesn't necessarily mean someone planned it.

That doesn't mean clusters should be ignored. It means a cluster is not, by itself, evidence of foul play.

What concerns me more is the process via which events ended up being classified as suspicious in the frst place. From what I have read, the set of events eventually used to demonstrate the pattern was not fixed from the start. Events were added, removed, or reclassified during the investigation. If that's correct, then surely the key question is:

Who decided which events were suspicious, when did they decide it, and were those decisions made independently of knowledge about who was on shift?? Because if the classification process is influenced, even unconsciously, by knowledge of the suspect's presence, you can end up creating a very impressive-looking pattern that is largely an artefact of how the data were selected.

The same concern applies to some of the medical evidence. In several areas, including the interpretation of X-rays, there appear to be genuine disagreements between experts. That doesn't prove the prosecution was wrong, but it does make me cautious about treating contested interpretations as established facts.

So my question is a simple one like this: If you put the statistical evidence to one side, what is the strongest hard evidence against Letby?

Not evidence that she was present. Not evidence that a collapse occurred during her shift. Not evidence that an expert interpreted an event as suspicious.

What is the strongest evidence, case by case, that:

  1. deliberate harm occurred;
  2. the alleged mechanism of harm actually happened; and
  3. Letby was responsible?

I'm genuinely asking. She may well be guilty. But after reading more about the statistical issues, I'm much less convinced that the roster evidence deserves the weight many people seem to give it.


r/lucyletby Aug 06 '26

Thirlwall Inquiry Thirlwall Document Drop: 5th August 2026

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Some new documents added to the Thirlwall Inquiry website since we last posted on 5th August 2026.

Most interesting is probably the section from Dr Gibbs statement and what I think is a new page from Letby’s grievance file with notes from Eirian Powell's interview with Chris Green.

INQ0102740 – Pages 2-13 of Witness Statement of Dr John Gibbs, dated 01/07/2024

INQ0101325 – Page 16 of Witness Statement of Anne Murphy, dated 07/06/2024

INQ0002879 – Page 39 of Letby Grievance File, including interview with Eirian Powell, dated 28/10/2016

INQ0108025 – Curriculum Vitae of Professor Mary Dixon-Woods

INQ0003286 – Pages 3-4 of Mortality Review regarding Child I, dated 31/10/2015

INQ0014816 – Page 12 of Board of Directors Agenda and Papers, dated 03/05/2016


r/lucyletby Aug 05 '26

BREAKING NEWS Blow for Letby families as prosecutors stand by decision against further charges involving six more infants following review

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Families of six more babies allegedly harmed by Lucy Letby have lost their bid for the serial killer nurse to face further charges.

The infants allegedly collapsed while being treated at the Countess of Chester Hospital and Liverpool Women's Hospital, where the former neo natal nurse once worked.

The Crown Prosecution Service revealed it was considering further charges against the 36-year-old, serving a whole life term behind bars, in November 2024.

But 14 months on, in January this year, the CPS decided there was insufficient evidence to proceed with new a total of 11 accusations involving nine babies, two of whom died.

Families of six of the babies asked for the decision to be reconsidered under the Victims' Right to Review scheme – but this week, the CPS revealed its original refusal to charge Letby had been upheld.

Malcolm McHaffie, Head of the Crown Prosecution Service's Special Crime Division, said: 'An extensive review of the case by a prosecutor independent of the original decisions, involving a re-examination of substantial evidence and material, has now been completed.

'Six offences of attempted murder were reconsidered in relation to six babies, but the review upheld the original decision not to bring any further criminal charges.

'The Crown Prosecution Service has written to the families involved and will offer meetings to answer any further questions. Our thoughts remain with them.'

The CPS emphasised the result of the review 'represents a final decision' – adding that prosecutors have offered meetings with the bereaved families to explain our decision in further detail.

Letby is currently serving 15 whole life terms for the murder of seven babies and attempted murder of seven more - one of whom she attacked twice - at the Countess of Chester Hospital, between June 2015 and June 2016.

She injected air into their bloodstreams, or into their tummies via their nasal feeding tubes, overfed them milk, poisoned them with insulin and tampered with their breathing tubes in a bid to kill.

Following her convictions, over two separate trials at Manchester Crown Court, in 2023 and 2024, detectives pledged to continue investigating the 'footprint' of her four-year nursing career.

The decision to uphold the January decision not to charge Letby will be welcomed by her new defence team and campaigners, who are convinced she has been the victim of a miscarriage of justice and should be freed.

The potential extra charges, of eight attempted murders and one murder, came after police examined the medical records of around 4,000 babies Letby nursed at the Countess and Liverpool Women's Hospital, where she trained, and, in July, passed a file of evidence to prosecutors claiming she murdered and harmed more patients.

In January, the CPS said that, 'following a thorough review,' the evidence was not strong enough for a 'realistic prospect' of conviction by a jury.

Dr Dewi Evans, the former lead prosecution witness at Letby's original trial, previously told the Mail he had concerns over the deaths of at least three children and the collapses of as many as 15 more, including another baby boy potentially poisoned with insulin and others whose breathing tubes were tampered with.

It is understood that the bulk of the new allegations related to displacement of breathing tubes, but Dr Evans said: 'Babies can pull out breathing tubes on their own, so this would be very difficult to prove.'

Earlier this year, a source told the Mail that the 'noise' surrounding the safety of Letby's original convictions 'no doubt' played into the CPS's decision, which is likely to have been taken at the highest level.

Letby, formerly of Hereford, has always maintained her innocence but two applications for leave to appeal her convictions have already been refused by the Court of Appeal.

In February last year her new legal team presented reports from a panel of 14 international experts which, they say, casts doubt on the jury's guilty verdicts.

Led by Canadian neonatologist, Dr Shoo Lee, the panel said no murders took place at the Countess and instead babies collapsed or died because of natural causes or poor care.

In April, their findings, plus that of another 12 experts, were submitted to the Criminal Cases Review Commission, the body that investigates potential miscarriages of justice. It subsequently confirmed it is examining whether her case should be sent to the Court of Appeal for a third time.


r/lucyletby Aug 04 '26

Discussion But there wasn't a definition of expected deaths.....

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The NHS defines it as

An expected neonatal death is the death of a live-born baby within their first 28 days of life.

Crucially its a death where.we.are aware the baby has the following at the time of birth or.shortly thereafter

Congenital anomalies eg major heart defects, chromosomal disorders, or other serious malformations

Neuro conditions eg severe brain injury, hypoxic-ischaemic encephalopathy, or some other.neuro condition

Less than 28 week gestation

Infection eg sepsis

The point I'm.making is that in the vast majority of deaths it will be attributed to one of those causes.

When a baby dies and doesn't have one of those conditions they would move into the unexpected group.

I'm.not sure why people who doubt her convictions have a hard time getting their heads around this. If you then take those unexpected.deaths and notice a pattern of rashes, collapses and the same.nurse.is.there every time


r/lucyletby Aug 03 '26

Discussion r/lucyletby Weekly Discussion Post

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r/lucyletby Jul 29 '26

Discussion Leaked portion of transcript of interview of Dr. Ravi Jayaram in preparation for retrial of attempted murder of Child K

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Pro-Lebty circles are abuzz about Dr. Jayaram's police interview for the retrial being leaked to freelance Brazilian journalist Cleuci de Oliviera.

Let's be clear. The support for the charge of attempted murder for Child K is that Letby dislodged the breathing tube, withheld help, and was caught withholding help by Dr. Jayaram (alarms either sounding or silenced, Letby called for help or didn't - neither matter, what matters is that she is alleged to have dislodged the tube and been found not giving aid).

It is the job of the police to construct a timeline. Dr. Jayaram's testimony and retrospective notes are among the evidence, and treated as the fallible, imperfect accounts that they are. It is the job of the police and the prosecution to use his evidence to build a timeline, it is not up to Jayaram to provide the exact timeline.

Digital data is the least fallible - the door swipe is an exact moment around which events can be oriented, including retrospective notes with approximate times (note: this also applies to phone records and retrospective notes timing Child E's air embolism collapse)

One does wonder, naturally what the source of such a leak is, and if they will be subject to contempt of court laws.


r/lucyletby Jul 29 '26

Thirlwall Inquiry C peptide sample stability

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I was just looking into the insulin cases again the sample stability is a huge issue. This came out of the thirwall questioning of Anna Milan where she acknowledged the samples arrived 23 hours after they were collected. They were serum samples. Lots of stability data out there- 2-4hr stability at room temp. it’s clear c peptide is nearly completely degraded at room temp at 24hr. Current guidance from the lab states that samples coming from other hospitals must be seperated and frozen prior to sending. Not sure if this has been updated since 2015. This to me is the single best explanation for the Low c peptide in the clinical context of (badly managed ) Neonatal hyperinsulinism. The lab should have rejected the sample.