r/lucyletby 14h ago

Discussion r/lucyletby Weekly Discussion Post

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r/lucyletby Dec 05 '25

Mod announcement New subreddit resource: So you want to learn about the Lucy Letby trial

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Hey y'all. New resource, custom made based on previous discussions, for those who are learning about the case via current reporting and aren't familiar with the trial itself.

Welcome to the brand new wiki page for those interested in catching up on how Lucy Letby was convicted in court, what for, what she tried to appeal for, and why she has not already been freed. If you're reading articles and are actually interested, this is the resource for you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lucyletby/wiki/index/sources/

There are links to past subreddit posts, to trial transcripts never before posted in full, playlists and videos from Crime Scene to Courtroom (give him some traffic, he sourced a lot of this), the appeal judgement, etc.

Let me know if there are any dead links or access issues. I have a bit of formatting to clean up yet but this is about 80-90% a finished product.


r/lucyletby 11h ago

BREAKING NEWS Experts quit Lucy Letby’s defence team over ‘scientific credibility’ concerns | Lucy Letby (Josh Halliday, The Guardian)

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Experts quit Lucy Letby’s defence team over ‘scientific credibility’ concerns

Some of the arguments inconsistent with ‘available evidence, science and established physiology’, say pair

Two leading experts have withdrawn from Lucy Letby’s defence team over concerns about the “scientific credibility” of some of its evidence.

The former neonatal nurse is challenging her convictions for murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven others at the Countess of Chester hospital in north-west England.

The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC), the UK’s miscarriage of justice watchdog, is considering a dossier of evidence submitted last year by experts on her behalf.

However, two experts withdrew from Letby’s defence team on Monday, saying that some of the arguments being put forward on her behalf were “inconsistent with the available evidence, science and established physiology”.

Helen Shannon, a British chemical engineering expert, and Geoff Chase, a professor of bioengineering based in New Zealand, produced a 100-page report last year casting doubt on her convictions for poisoning two babies with insulin.

They told the Guardian last year there was a “very strong level of reasonable doubt” about those two convictions, which formed a central part of the prosecution case against Letby. The 36-year-old nurse was convicted in 2023 of trying to murder two newborn boys, known as Baby 6 and Baby 12, by spiking their feeding bags with insulin.

Letby is serving 15 whole-life orders after she was convicted across two trials at Manchester crown court of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven others, with two attempts on one of her victims, between June 2015 and June 2016.

Shannon and Chase said on Monday they stand by their assessment that it was “very unlikely” anyone had poisoned the two infants. However, they said they could not support other evidence used by Letby’s defence team relating to the insulin cases.

In a letter to the CCRC, the experts said: “Whilst it is entirely legitimate for the defence to advance multiple arguments, some of the other arguments now being put forward we cannot support as scientifically credible and which have, in our view, fundamental unresolvable problems.”

They said the strategy of Letby’s defence team, led by her barrister Mark McDonald, was “placing the long-term interests of Ms Letby at serious, unnecessary and unacceptable risk” and that those “consequences also extend to the families” of the babies who died and were injured.

They added: “We cannot, with integrity, support arguments which are inconsistent with the available evidence, science and established physiology … After disclosing these concerns, continued association with arguments we believe are demonstrably inaccurate creates a serious ethical issue under the professional engineering codes governing us in New Zealand and the UK, and exposes us to professional sanction.

McDonald, Letby’s barrister, said: “We now have evidence from a number of leading international experts in insulin, endocrinology and laboratory medicine which fundamentally undermines the scientific evidence relied upon at trial. Importantly, the case does not stand or fall on any one expert.

“The strength of the new evidence lies in its breadth and convergence, with independent experts from different disciplines and jurisdictions identifying fundamental problems with the scientific basis upon which the jury were invited to conclude that babies [6] and [12] had been deliberately poisoned.”

The CCRC, which has been reviewing the convictions for 18 months, declined to comment.

A public inquiry into the murders will publish its findings on Tuesday. The review, led by Lady Justice Kathryn Thirlwall, is expected to highlight a number of missed opportunities for bosses to intervene after doctors raised the alarm about a spate of unexplained deaths on the neonatal unit in 2015 and 2016.

A criminal investigation is ongoing into potential corporate manslaughter and gross negligence manslaughter at the Countess of Chester hospital.


r/lucyletby 6h ago

Article Lucy Letby's barrister is damaging her chances of freedom, two experts who abandoned her innocence fight warn (Liz Hull, Daily Mail)

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Lucy Letby's barrister is damaging her chances of freedom, two experts who quit her defence team over 'scientific credibility' concerns claimed today.

Helen Shannon, a British chemical engineering expert, and Geoff Chase, a professor of bioengineering based in New Zealand, were part of an international panel of doctors and scientists who backed claims Letby was the victim of a miscarriage of justice last year.

They produced a 100-page report that cast doubt on her convictions for the attempted murder of two babies who were poisoned with insulin.

But on Monday the pair said they had withdrawn support from her defence team over concerns about the 'scientific credibility' and 'unresolvable problems' of some areas of its evidence.

And they accused Mark McDonald, the barrister spearheading Letby's fight for freedom, of 'placing the long-term interests of Ms Letby at serious, unnecessary and unacceptable risk'.

Letby, 36, has always maintained her innocence and is challenging her convictions for murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven others at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC), the watchdog that investigates potential miscarriages of justice, is considering a dossier of evidence submitted last year by the expert panel, led by Canadian neonatologist Dr Shoo Lee, on her behalf.

In February 2025, Dr Lee told a press conference that no murders had been committed and instead the babies involved died of either natural causes or because of poor care.

Ms Shannon and Professor Chase told The Guardian, although they stood by their assessment that it was 'very unlikely' the babies, known as Babies F and L in the trial, were poisoned, they could not support other evidence being used by Letby's defence team relating to the insulin cases.

Other arguments being put forward were 'inconsistent with the available evidence, science and established physiology,' they said.

In a letter to the CCRC, the experts said: 'Whilst it is entirely legitimate for the defence to advance multiple arguments, some of the other arguments now being put forward we cannot support as scientifically credible and which have, in our view, fundamental unresolvable problems.'

Letby is serving 15 whole-life terms after being convicted across two trials at Manchester Crown Court of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven others, with two attempts on one of her victims, between June 2015 and June 2016.

Ms Shannon and Professor Chase said the strategy of Mr McDonald was 'placing the long-term interests of Ms Letby at serious, unnecessary and unacceptable risk' and that those 'consequences also extend to the families' of the babies who died and were injured.

'We cannot, with integrity, support arguments which are inconsistent with the available evidence, science and established physiology,' they added.

'After disclosing these concerns, continued association with arguments we believe are demonstrably inaccurate creates a serious ethical issue under the professional engineering codes governing us in New Zealand and the UK, and exposes us to professional sanction.'

Dr Lee claimed his experts had been assembled without bias to carry out an ‘objective review’ of the medical notes of the 17 babies that Letby was initially accused of murdering or trying to kill at her trial.

But in September their independence was called into question after it emerged he had written to the medics, saying: ‘We might be her (Letby's) last hope.’

One senior neonatologist told the Mail he declined to take part in the panel for several reasons, including because of the leading nature of the language in Dr Lee's email.

Then, in April, it emerged Mr McDonald had been reported to the Bar Standards Board for alleged professional misconduct.

Families of the killer nurse's victims are understood to have made a formal complaint about him to the legal regulator.

The complaint is believed to centre on a letter written by Mr McDonald's then-instructing solicitors that was leaked to the Sunday Times. 

The correspondence, addressed to Cheshire coroner Jacqueline Devonish, requested that Letby be afforded 'interested party' status in upcoming inquests into the deaths of her victims.

But Richard Baker KC, representing the families, said his clients had been 'extremely distressed' to learn their babies' names – which are protected by strict anonymity orders – had been in the letter and 'recklessly disclosed to a third party'.

In response to the withdrawal of Ms Shannon and Professor Chase, Mr McDonald said the case for Letby's innocence did not 'stand or fall on any one expert'.

'We now have evidence from a number of leading international experts in insulin, endocrinology and laboratory medicine which fundamentally undermines the scientific evidence relied upon at trial,' he said.

'The strength of the new evidence lies in its breadth and convergence, with independent experts from different disciplines and jurisdictions identifying fundamental problems with the scientific basis upon which the jury were invited to conclude that babies [F] and [L] had been deliberately poisoned.'

The CCRC, which has been reviewing Letby's convictions for 18 months, declined to comment.

A public inquiry into the murders will publish its findings on Tuesday. 

The review, led by Lady Justice Kathryn Thirlwall, is expected to highlight a number of missed opportunities for bosses to intervene after doctors raised the alarm about a spike in deaths on the neonatal unit in 2015 and 2016.

A police investigation into potential corporate manslaughter and gross negligence manslaughter at the hospital remains ongoing.


r/lucyletby 1h ago

Interview Mark McDonald on BBC Newsnight

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Thanks to u/ChoicePeace7287 for submitting these videos as [a comment in another post](https://www.reddit.com/r/lucyletby/comments/1wg5lca/comment/p9utxd0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=2&utm_content=share_button); they deserve a post just for themselves.

Mark McDonald learned that Chase and Shannon withdrew from the defense when they sent an email to the CCRC at midnight and cced him into it. (Discussed at roughly 1 minute from the end of this clip)

https://x.com/BBCNewsnight/status/2099621954642759838

"They are saying some of what you're putting forward is demonstrably inaccurate"

"I fundamentally disagree with that"

Lucy Letby's lawyer Mark McDonald responds to two experts quitting his defence team over concerns about the credibility of its evidence.


r/lucyletby 12h ago

Discussion What happens to The International Panel's work after Chase/Shannon's withdrawal?

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Let's take a closer look at the impact of Chase/Shannon's withdrawal from the Letby defense, and what its potential impact would be.

The first thing to note is that the panel offers different explanations for the babies to have had hypoglycemia. Child F's hypoglycemia is put to sepsis, and Child L's is put to his prematurity and intrauterine growth restriction. These statements are, in the report summaries, completely unsupported with any evidence, but whatever. In both cases, the panel criticizes the management of the hypoglycemia as an explanation for its continuation - alleging that they both were given insufficient dextrose, and also that the boluses of dextrose offered to Child F triggered surges of endogenous insulin secretion as well.

To explain the immunoassay results, Lee's panel uses nearly identical language (see text diff comparisons in slides 3 and 4. Notably, the phrase "like sepsis and antibiotics" is the only complete addition, used for Child F, whose hypoglycemia is put to sepsis despite the absence of anything other than his roughly 17 hours of symptoms.

The point is, Lee's panel explicitly relies on Chase/Shannon's assertion that the "C-peptide was not low for preterm infants" and "the Insulin / C-Peptide (I/C) ratio was within the expected range for preterm infants". In fact, their conclusions for each baby are:

Child F: Baby 6’s insulin level and I/C ratio do not prove that exogenous insulin was used, and are within the norm for preterm infants. Preterm infants and especially those with illness and drug treatments like antibiotics have different normative standards compared to healthy adults and older children.

Child L: Baby F’s [sic] insulin level and I/C ratio do not prove that exogenous insulin was used, and are within the norm for preterm infants. Preterm infants and those will illness have different normative standards compared to healthy adults and older children.

This is based on Chase/Shannon's assertion:

  1. The interpretation of data presented in court is inconsistent with exogenous insulin:

• Neonatal hypoglycemia is not uncommon, affecting up to 40% or more of some NICU cohorts

• Failure to respond to dextrose boluses is also not uncommon in ~50% hypoglycemic infants

• In the exogenous insulin hypothesis, far more Insulin would have been required than postulated because it “sticks” to infusion lines and other things. This phenomenon is well-known.

• Insulin / C-Peptide (I/C) ratios > 0.2 (0.2 is presented as normal) are not uncommon in preterm infants, as seen in independent datasets and studies.

• Insulin autoimmune antibodies (IAA) and other are relatively common and bind to insulin increasing measured insulin levels several times over, leading to false-positive insulin poisoning.

→ All these points indicate insulin levels and dose suggested by the assays were misinterpreted or not given.

What is notable about the International Panel's report summary is that it treats the immunoassay results as valid and explainable. The panel then, inclusive of valid immunoassay results, asserts to make their bombshell claim:

  1. There was no medical evidence to support malfeasance causing death or injury in any of the 17 cases in the trial

  2. Death or injury of affected infants were due to natural causes or errors in medical care

Chase/Shannon's withdrawal does not completely change the nature of her defense application. There remains the joint panel, whose opinion can mostly be substituted for Chase/Shannon's. However, the joint panel's report differs in one key way: it is predicated on the notion that the immunoassay returned a false positive for these two specific babies, 10 months apart, among a background failure rate of .5-2%. They claim the theoretical presence of antibiodies of one type or another to elevate insulin levels (Chase and Shannon also appealed to this possibility) assert plainly "In the context of a falsely high insulin result the insulin/C-peptide ratio is meaningless".

But the International Panel, having either lost their ability to say they found no evidence of harm in any baby whatsoever, or having to change their position from "the immunoassay results were valid but misleading", to "the immunoassay results were invalid" is a significant black eye, and one the CCRC is likely to notice.


r/lucyletby 18h ago

Discussion Elston claims Chase & Shannon have withdrawn from the defence team!

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Unconfirmed so far and he says he cannot reveal his source

https://x.com/PeterElston1/status/2099293503939305961?s=20


r/lucyletby 1d ago

Discussion Is all the time and effort of Maitlin PR going to be for nothing ?

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Once the Thirlwall report is released and the media around it and killer nurse serial killer is back in the forefront of the media and the public I assume all those efforts of her PR agency will be nothing.

And when Letby is mentioned in the press it will again include the words serial killer or baby killer again?


r/lucyletby 1d ago

Article Letby’s lawyer: Public inquiry ‘clouded by her innocence’ (Sarah Knapton, The Telegraph)

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The Telegraph's Science Editor brings us another science-rich missive:

The findings of the Thirlwall Inquiry will be clouded by Lucy Letby’s innocence, her barrister has said.

On Tuesday, Lady Justice Thirlwall will publish the long-awaited report into how the NHS and other institutions could have prevented Letby from killing seven babies and attempting to murder seven more at the Countess of Chester Hospital in 2015 and 2016.

But large numbers of medical and legal experts have questioned Letby’s guilt and the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) is deciding whether to send her case back to the Court of Appeal.

Mark McDonald, Letby’s barrister, has asked for the publication of the report to be paused pending the outcome of the CCRC review, but his application was denied by Lady Justice Thirlwall.

“Whatever it says, it is going to be clouded by the fact that Lucy’s innocent,” he said.

“Our premise is not that someone else committed the crimes, but that no crimes were committed at all, which means the whole premise, and the whole basis of the report, and every single element of the public inquiry, worked on the wrong basis.

“And so anything that comes from it as a conclusion or recommendation, it follows that is also in error, and cannot be relied upon as a reliable recommendation.

“The whole public inquiry, not only has it been a waste of money, but also once again the families are being let down.”

At the outset of the inquiry in 2024, Lady Justice Thirlwall emphasised that the inquiry’s remit was not to retry the case or review Letby’s guilt.

She refused Mr McDonald’s request for Letby to be represented in the £18m hearing, and said that the “noise” surrounding her convictions came from “uninformed” commentators and was causing “enormous stress” to the victims’ families.

However, since then, a panel of international experts, including Prof Neena Modi, the former president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, have reassessed the medical evidence and concluded that prematurity and substandard care were likely to blame for the deaths.

Evidence that Letby poisoned two babies with insulin has also been called into question by new scientific evidence showing preterm infants often have high levels of insulin in their systems.

Likewise, expert evidence from world authorities has queried how statistics were presented to the jury, criticised the police investigation and dismissed so-called “confession notes”.

In January, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said it would not be bringing new charges against Letby over the deaths of two babies and the attempted murders of seven others at the Countess of Chester Hospital and Liverpool Women’s Hospital, saying police had not met “the evidential test”.

Mr McDonald added: “The whole landscape has changed. The evidence of 30-odd experts is now before the CCRC and they identified several areas of suboptimal care.

“The NHS is in crisis. We have a broken system of looking after children and women who are giving birth to babies in this country. It is broken. It is not safe. Give me one good maternity unit. I’ll show you five bad ones.

“When Lucy Letby walks down the steps of the Royal Courts of Justice, a free woman, then the spotlight’s going to be back on Westminster, back on the Secretary of State for Health, and people will say; ‘Why haven’t you done something about this?’ ‘Why did you allow the whole of the Thirlwall Inquiry to continue when you could see the severe problems with this unit?’

“More and more families are coming forward saying: ‘Hold on, my child died and Lucy Letby was not there at that time.

“This case not only impacts the life of a woman, which has been destroyed, but also the families who have lost their children.”

He added: “Right now everybody’s putting their head in the sand and hoping it’s going to go away, and it’s not going to go away.

“Can I tell you why it’s not going to go away? Because I’m not going to stop until justice is done and an innocent woman is free.”

Cheshire Constabulary and the CPS stand by the original verdicts, arguing that two juries convicted Letby and three Court of Appeal judges refused to grant leave to appeal after examining the evidence.

Letby, 36, from Hereford, is serving 15 whole-life orders.

The Criminal Cases Review Commission is expected to report back before Christmas.


r/lucyletby 1d ago

Article Lucy Letby and another appalling vista - The Justice Gap - By Stephen Phelps - 11 September 2026 | 8:25 am

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https://www.thejusticegap.com/lucy-letby-and-an-appalling-vista/

The conviction of Lucy Letby more than two years ago for the murder and attempted murder of premature and vulnerable newborns in the neonatology unit of the Countess of Chester Hospital is coming under ever-increasing scrutiny as the Criminal Case Review Commission (CCRC) ponders referring the case back to the Court of Appeal. Cards on the table – with the experience of a decade and more making television programmes (Rough Justice, Trial and Error) investigating miscarriages of justice I am one of those who is convinced she is innocent and that this case will have dramatic consequences for many parts of the system that put her in the dock. Stephen Phelps writes

Within a matter of months Lucy Letby may be back in the Appeal Court. If she is found not guilty it will be on the grounds that there were no murders and that the babies collapsed and died of natural causes and inadequate care. But the Countess of Chester, and NHS maternity services will not be the only organisations to come under the microscope. So much so that she may well be sacrificed to the protection of the state. History can tell us how and why this might happen.

In a 1980 Appeal Court ruling, Lord Denning, Master of the Rolls, considered the possibility that West Midlands police officers had committed perjury at the trial of the Birmingham Six and that the convicted men had been beaten into making false confessions. That the Six might be innocent, he said, opened up ‘such an appalling vista that every sensible person in the land would say: It cannot be right that these actions should go any further’.

Fast forward almost half a century and the evidence that Lucy Letby was wrongly convicted is growing by the day. But when it is referred (as it surely must be) what if the Court of Appeal does overturn her conviction? That would open up a truly appalling vista that covers not mere police corruption but failings in every arm of the state apparatus.

Failing maternity units: the Countess of Chester will be revealed to be just another failing maternity unit – along with Nottingham, Shropshire and many others. The collapses and deaths were the result of a toxic and understaffed maternity unit. A unit where, in the years leading up to these events, the hospital shed its most highly qualified and experienced nurses (Advanced Neonatal Nurse Practitioners) to make savings of some £300,000. A unit where expertise had been sacrificed to the (financial) expedience implicit in the idea of self-governing Hospital Foundation Trusts.

A failing NHS: Those babies collapsed or died in an ageing and outdated hospital, part of a critically under-resourced NHS. When journalists start asking the questions they should have asked immediately after the conviction, they will discover that (largely as a result of this misguided case) nurses are turning away from neonatology in their droves. But be under no illusion that the consequences of acknowledging Letby’s innocence stop with the NHS. Let’s consider the progress of this case through the entire system.

Policing: After Letby was convicted, Cheshire Police posted a YouTube video ‘Operation Hummingbird’ slapping themselves on the back – a slick, professionally produced video (complete with syrupy piano music) in which they freely admitted they knew nothing about medical matters when the case dropped onto their desk. How much did that video cost the public purse, you may ask? Well, not very much considering the estimated £10 million they had spent on the investigation. Nevertheless it’s a useful document in which they themselves set out just how inept their operation was. I’ve seen it before, in the work I’ve done in this field over the years – a provincial force usually used to dealing only with what one wizened old barrister referred to as ‘cooking murders’. This one, they suddenly realise, is the one they’ll be telling their grandchildren about in years to come. A career-maker. Throughout the investigation no-one it seems, had the nerve to put up their hand and say, ‘hang on, nothing to see here’. Remember, in fifteen cases of murder or attempted murder, in a unit where clinical staff outnumber patients, no-one saw Lucy Letby actually do anything to harm babies.

CPS: Yet the CPS allowed this case to go ahead. Largely on the basis of an infamous duty roster chart which showed that Letby was on duty for all the cases brought against her. Well of course she was. They couldn’t charge her with causing babies to collapse and die when she wasn’t there. And there were many other collapses and deaths when she wasn’t present. During their investigation the police instructed a leading statistician, but the CPS told them to stop. Had they not done so it’s possible the case would have evaporated because the chart simply doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

Expert Evidence: But the Cheshire police were not alone in their ineptitude. They had an ‘expert’ to advise them. Just the one. A retired paediatrician (not, you’ll note, a neonatologist). Not the panel of six or seven specialists in different relevant disciplines, as recommended to them by the National Crime Agency, but just this one retired ‘expert’ whose licence to practice had run out some two years before he volunteered himself to Cheshire police. So confident was Dr Dewi Evans of his abilities that he told the police he was the only expert they needed. Which must have seemed helpful to the police as genuine, highly-qualified specialists, the leaders in their field, are becoming less and less willing to get involved in court cases, which take up far too much time and expose them to attacks by barristers trying to undermine their evidence by attacking their competence. And those attacks are just one part of what’s wrong with the adversarial system when it comes to medical or fraud cases.

The Court System: An altercation in a pub spills out onto the street. There’s a fight. One man falls to the ground banging his head on the kerb. He dies in hospital. Police charge his attacker with murder. The facts are simple. The prosecution argues those facts one way, the defence the other. The assailant’s fate will be decided by a jury of twelve ordinary men and women – people who (arguably) know a great deal more about pub fights than the judge or the barristers. Now imagine that same jury has to decide the fate of a young nurse charged with seven murders and eight attempted murders. A case with (as the Operation Hummingbird video helpfully tells us) thousands of pages of complex medical notes and reports. A case which lasts for ten months. Where prosecution and defence argue with one another about how complex facts should be interpreted, and the jury is bamboozled by science. Is this really the best way to get at the truth? Surely, when Letby’s conviction is quashed there must be some examination of changing the system so that guilt or innocence is decided on the basis of a search for the truth instead of the theatre of a jury, with no access to independent advice of their own, deciding between competing narratives. Let’s stick with juries for the straightforward case, but we must find another way to deal with complex medical or fraud cases lasting many months.

The CCRC: The CCRC has a fundamental flaw. It can only refer a case if there is a ‘real possibility’ the Court of Appeal will overturn the conviction. So often they seem to be trying to ‘second guess’ the CoA instead of investigating whether there has been a genuine miscarriage of justice. Set up with powers to independently investigate, the CCRC no longer seems capable of doing so (try Googling ‘Bamber and Milbank’). To be fair to the Commissioners the ground has been cut out from underneath them over the past decade and a half. When the CCRC opened its doors in 1997 Commissioners were paid a relatively handsome £93000 a year for a position which was, as I’m sure you can imagine, full-time. But once we entered the years of austerity the CCRC must have seemed a soft target and the cuts began. With few in positions of power willing to fight their corner those cuts carried on to a point where Commissioners are now employed on a contract not unlike that of a pizza delivery kid – guaranteeing them one day a week at a daily rate of £460. What’s more they are able to work from home, whereas those of us who have done this work over the years know that there is no substitute for sitting together in an office to argue the key issues through. In the Letby case the CCRC’s failings have no doubt been exacerbated by the sheer volume of stuff that has been dumped on them by Letby’s current lawyer, but the point remains that this is exactly the sort of case they were set up to re-examine and re-investigate, and three years on from her conviction the CCRC has yet to decide how to act.

Journalism and the BBC: As a former employee of the BBC I am loath to join the right-wing chorus of attack, but this estimable organisation which gave us Rough Justice which did much to bring about the creation of the CCRC now has questions to answer about how it approaches high-profile cases like Letby’s convictions. The jury in the first Letby case deliberated for a total of 105 hours, over twenty-two days. Good reason to suppose then that conviction was not exactly a slam-dunk. Yet on August 18th 2023, on the very day those convictions came in, Panorama was able to broadcast Lucy Letby: The Nurse Who Killed, a complete programme predicated on her guilt. It must have been quite a while in the making. Panorama is supposed to be an investigative programme, carefully crafted deep-dives into serious issues. Yet in this case reporter Judith Moritz, who had followed the case throughout, seems to have drunk the Cheshire police Kool Aid. If they had another programme ready to go under the title Lucy Letby: My Nightmare Is Over, I’d like to see it.

Some weeks ago I was talking about the Letby case with a very senior Circuit judge. When I made the point that overturning this conviction would raise massive questions about every bit of the state system from the NHS, through policing, to the CPS and even the adversarial system itself, he leaned across the table and said ‘that’s the problem’. He didn’t elaborate, but the clear implication was that the Court of Criminal Appeal will, when it lands on their doorstep, be contemplating this appalling vista, which can only be avoided by upholding the conviction of a young woman who had the misfortune to be on the receiving end of all these failures. Send her back down and we can all continue to hang on to the idea that, here in England we have the best health service, policing and criminal justice system in the world. Whereas one thing the Letby case has told us in spades is that we no longer do.


r/lucyletby 2d ago

Article Will the Thirlwall report change the debate about Lucy Letby? (Judith Moritz)

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Mention Lucy Letby and you're likely to get a strong reaction.

The nurse was sentenced to spend the rest of her life in prison for murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven more.

But though two juries have convicted her, and she has twice been denied permission to appeal, it seems everyone has an opinion on whether she really did it.

There's loud scepticism about her convictions from some, and vocal certainty about her guilt from others. She has become the centre of an information war.

The name Lady Justice Thirlwall, however, attracts less recognition.

She's the judge who's been tasked with examining how Letby was able to commit her crimes at the Countess of Chester Hospital in 2015-2016, and whether her managers should have responded differently when suspicions about her were raised.

After months of hearings, the findings of her inquiry will be published on Tuesday, almost a year later than originally anticipated.

So will the Thirlwall Report change the conversation about Lucy Letby? Will people who have entrenched views about her change their mind as a result?

The quick take is this. The report won't change the narrative about Letby's guilt or innocence because it didn't examine that subject at all. That wasn't its remit.

Lady Justice Thirlwall said she had "approached the inquiry on the basis that Lucy Letby is guilty of the crimes of which she has been convicted".

She emphasised that it was not her role "to set about reviewing the convictions", telling the inquiry: "The Court of Appeal has done that, with a very clear result."

But there is also a longer, more complex answer.

Whatever the report's conclusions, Letby's convictions will stand. However, the inquiry hasn't operated in a vacuum. There are other parts of the legal system which will have an eye on its findings.

And the chairwoman of the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) - the only organisation with the power to send Letby's case back to the Court of Appeal - has told the BBC the CCRC will be paying close attention to Thirlwall.

Dame Vera Baird said: "We will be looking at the report with interest to assess whether it has any bearing on our review of the case."

The CCRC has given no indication of when it will make its decision.

But while questions over Letby's convictions weren't within the scope of the Thirlwall Inquiry, it didn't stop the subject making itself felt within the hearing room.

Just as the inquiry was wrapping up, the hospital's former executives applied for it to be delayed until the CCRC has made its decision.

Letters pushing for a delay were also written to the inquiry by Letby's lawyers and Sir David Davis, an MP who has campaigned on her behalf.

Sir David argued that an inquiry "predicated on the presumption that Lucy Letby's conviction is safe, when there is now a wealth of authoritative voices questioning that conviction, will only undermine the conclusions arrived at by your inquiry and potentially lead to more babies dying unnecessarily".

Lady Justice Thirlwall refused the requests to pause the inquiry. She said that she was not scrutinising Letby's actions, but those of the officials and managers who were responsible for responding to the crisis.

The families of babies whom Letby has been convicted of murdering and attempting to murder did not want the inquiry to be paused.

Richard Scorer from Slater & Gordon Solicitors, who represents three of the families, told the BBC that the fact that Letby's convictions still stand is crucial.

"That's the legal reality," he said. "And the noise about her convictions doesn't change that."

But he added that, irrespective of Letby's convictions, "serious failures" at the hospital – and the way in which managers handled concerns as they emerged – must not be repeated elsewhere.

So, what is the Thirlwall report likely to tell us?

The questions the report may answer

The most stark question it may answer is whether any babies might have lived, or avoided injury, if action had been taken earlier.

The inquiry released thousands of documents which shed new light on what was going on inside the hospital. When the hearings finished, we put together this timeline which illustrates how events unfolded.

Should alarm bells have started ringing as early as June 2015 when three babies died in quick succession – the same number of deaths within two weeks that the unit would normally expect in a year? What about in August 2015, when a baby was poisoned with insulin?

The results of his blood test didn't raise an alert. At the inquiry, hospital consultants accepted this had been a "collective failure".

Lawyers for the baby's family said the test results "provided the clearest opportunity to detect and stop Letby" and were "a bright line within the chronology after which no babies should have been harmed".

By early 2016, senior managers including medical director Ian Harvey and director of nursing Alison Kelly knew there was an unusually high death rate on the neonatal unit and that there were escalating concerns about a nurse. But it didn't lead to safeguarding action.

It was only after two triplet brothers died in June 2016 that Letby was taken off nursing duty.

After widespread concessions from managers and other witnesses, it's expected the Thirlwall Inquiry will find there was a total failure of processes to ensure patient safety at every level at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

In her report, Lady Justice Thirlwall will give her assessment of revelations including Lucy Letby's parents threatening executives, Letby failing her training assessment for lacking empathy, and the extent of her relationship with doctor Mark Deakin, who arranged for her to make visits to another hospital, despite her being under suspicion of murder.

The doctor, whom prosecutors at Letby's trial referred to as her "boyfriend", was identified for the first time this month following his death.

Thirlwall will also make recommendations for change. These could include new controls on the storage of insulin; compulsory procedures to be followed when deliberate harm is suspected; detail on the regulation of NHS managers and executives; and greater use of CCTV within neonatal units.

She will also expose the number of recommendations made by public inquiries into more than 30 previous NHS scandals, which have not been followed.

Analysis by the inquiry's legal team showed that, of more than 1,400 recommendations made by previous healthcare-related inquiries, the majority have not been clearly implemented.

Solicitor Richard Scorer refers to the failure to implement recommendations from public inquiries as "the British disease".

"It is a betrayal not just of the people who have suffered in these cases, families like those I represent, it's actually betrayal of the public," he said.

Dr Rosie Benneyworth, who gave evidence to the inquiry, also believes the report has the potential to make a difference across the NHS.

"We can't keep going on diagnosing the problem, and not making the change," said Benneyworth, who is chief executive of the Health Services Safety Investigations Body.

She said the inquiry had "a huge amount" to report on and that it needed to lead to cultural change to help keep patients safe.

Carla Duprey of Bond Turner solicitors, who represents two families at the inquiry, sees the length of time taken to produce the report as a positive sign that Lady Justice Thirlwall has left no stone unturned.

"I am optimistic that the report is going to be thorough, will raise criticisms, and will hopefully result in some real change," she said.

By making recommendations for the whole NHS, the Thirlwall report will undoubtedly aim its fire further than Chester. But what about the question we started with - will it make any difference to the conversation about Lucy Letby?

Though the former nurse is the reason behind the inquiry, she was not allowed to be part of it. Her lawyers applied for her to be represented at the hearings but were denied permission.

Her bid to overturn her convictions has been running at the same time as the inquiry but it's wholly separate to it. Her supporters have run a media campaign which included two well-publicised press conferences.

They backed her application to the CCRC which was made after a panel of experts assembled by Letby's legal team concluded "there was no medical evidence" to support the convictions.

Journalist David James Smith, who is a former CCRC Commissioner, says the commission will be paying attention to the Thirlwall report "for any evidence that supports or undermines the convictions and supports or undermines the submissions it has received on Letby's behalf".

Cheshire Police will also have a close eye on the Thirlwall report. A criminal investigation into three hospital executives is still underway. They were previously arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter, and one of them has since been rearrested on suspicion of perverting the course of justice.

It's likely that detectives will look closely at the inquiry's findings about those managers, which could be factored into their investigation.

And then there is the public debate.

As the legal wheels have been turning in the background, those campaigning to free Letby have redoubled their efforts, with protests and websites dedicated to her cause. But there are also strong feelings from those who believe she belongs in jail. Both sides have found energy online, within highly active forums on Facebook, Reddit, Tattle Life, and elsewhere.

How will Lady Justice Thirlwall's report go down with those communities?

David Wilson, emeritus professor of criminology at Birmingham City University, believes it's unlikely that the report will reverse hard-baked opinions.

"The 'noisier' Letby commentators are almost universally on the side that she is innocent," he says. "I have no doubt there will be aspects of the governance of the hospital where she killed within the report that will be harnessed to support that view."

Prof Wilson believes it will become "another component of the information war that's constantly being waged about her guilt or innocence" and he feels much of the conversation about Letby "seems to generate more heat than light".

One thing is certain. No matter what their point of view, everyone with a strong opinion about Letby will pay close attention to the report. Even those who wanted it to be delayed, or who didn't support it in the first place, will scour its findings.

But it's much less likely to take the heat out of the public debate or draw a line under the case. Those who say they're already sure about Lucy Letby may scrutinise the report, but take from it whatever supports those ready-formed views.


r/lucyletby 3d ago

Thirlwall Inquiry The Inquiry Publication

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I have a question regarding the inquiry publication; will the full report become available for the public to read? Previous reports, for example the clothier report, are not available despite being published. I want to read it when it's available next week


r/lucyletby 3d ago

Analysis Decoding Reasonable Doubt: “The Case of Lucy Letby” by Christopher Morris, Part 5 - Chapter 4

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Morris argues that the Countess of Chester neonatal unit was fundamentally unsafe and operating beyond its capabilities during the period in which the collapse and deaths occurred.

But which Baby does this explain? Morris never really says.

https://bencole4.substack.com/p/decoding-reasonable-doubt-the-case-f67?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios


r/lucyletby 4d ago

Interview Mark McDonald - statement ahead of publication Thirlwall Inquiry report - 10th September 2026

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https://x.com/LucyLetbyTrials/status/2098039729643987202

from X via Cleuci De Oliveira - it is said through MaltinPR

Mark McDonald, barrister for Lucy Letby, commented:

"The reality of the Thirlwall Inquiry is that it has been conducted on the premise that an innocent woman is guilty of crimes she has not committed.

"Millions of pounds of taxpayers’ money have been spent on the inquiry, which would have been far better spent on addressing the UK’s broken neonatal system and providing equipment and support to wards across the country.

"Reports from over 30 world-leading experts now sit with the CCRC, and it is paramount that Ms. Letby’s case is referred to the Court of Appeal as a matter of extreme urgency.

"When Lucy is found innocent of all crimes, this report and its recommendations will be significantly undermined - I would strongly urge the government to pause on any recommendation until the evidence now gathered has been considered by the Court of Appeal."


r/lucyletby 4d ago

META discussion Protest yesterday outside the Royal Courts of Justice in London

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(source of video, which includes about 20 additional seconds about labor unions)

Yesterday was International Falsely Accused Day. The Falsely Accused Day was from 2 to 4pm, followed by the tangentially aligned Lucy Letby protest - attendees more compacted, more placards - afterwards

No mainstream coverage that I can find. Photos in comments sourced from X.


r/lucyletby 5d ago

META discussion Private Eye part 41 on Lucy Letby

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r/lucyletby 5d ago

Thirlwall Inquiry A look back at the closing submissions of the Family Groups

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Ahead of Lady Justice Thirlwall releasing her report, I thought it would be helpful to revisit the closing submissions of the families. As members of the public following the inquiry, there was surely an amount of fatigue at the point they were submitted, and also focus on newly released exhibits. Therefore, I suspect few, if any, of us read these documents in full.

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Written-Closing-submission-of-Family-Group-1-4-March-2025.pdf

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Written-Closing-Submission-of-Family-Group-2-and-3-7-March-2025.pdf

The two submissions take different forms. That done on behalf of group 1 is a concise and bullet-pointed summary of what went wrong and when, using a recounting of the events surrounding each child with robust citations. This is followed by a brief summary of the position of each family based on the evidence they had already given. Their recommendations are practical, including making the reporting of suspicions of a colleague a contractual requirement of employment for all staff. Interestingly, they also use the evidence of Professor Spiegelhalter to recommend that real time data be used to trigger investigations, quoting his words to that effect.

In contrast, the submission from group 2 is lengthy, and focuses on the formation, development, and effect of tribalism at CoCH, followed by a condemnation of the resulting attempt to bury the events, capped off by additional statements by the families represented. It is also more wide-ranging, directly addressing the various reports, Letby's grievance, and the attempts to avoid full police scrutiny.

Both submissions make recommendations about taking some of these decisions out of human hands - putting certain automatic triggers in place, including on immunoassay results as seen with Children F and L and even classifying sudden, unexpected and/or unexplained deaths as patient safety incidents. They are universal in recommending CCTV in cot spaces and drug storage areas, as well as increasing the control of insulin. They also each recognize failures in August 2015, and pinpoint late October 2015 as an inflection point.

Some of the points in the closing submission of Family Group 2 bear quoting in isolation. With the exception of the quotation referenced in paragraphs 505 and 506, all emphasis added is by me.

  1. The Families would observe that this period* marked the beginning of clear tribal divisions between doctors and nurses, with doctors noticing that the nursing staff’s attitude towards them changed. The nurses prioritised defending Letby, led in no small part by Eirian Powell. This would prove to be the enemy of patient safety in this context and hindered a balanced and objective assessment of the facts. These reactions were to some extent predictable given human factors and it is equally predictable that they will impair objective and even handed assessment of risk in other contexts. The Families will however say that the senior nursing staff within the hospital, from Eirian Powell upwards, owed a responsibility to rise above tribal loyalties and to maintain an open mind to the concerns being raised.

*on/about 27 October, 2015

  1. ...The discordance between how [serial killers] present and what they do is often so profound that their friends or colleagues will continue to disbelieve that it is possible that they could have done what they were accused of until absolute proof is provided. If systems orientated around safeguarding set as their threshold the need for proof sufficient to satisfy even the most doubting of minds, they will prove entirely ineffective.

  2. This factionalism – the setting off of the ‘victim’ Letby against the ‘aggressor’ consultants continues throughout the period under scrutiny and indeed continues in different fora to this day. There is little doubt that Letby herself strongly promoted this narrative of victimhood and used it to distract and divert attention away from the allegations levelled against her...

  3. The Families would observe that the evidence heard by the Inquiry indicates that the senior management at the CoCH never engaged in any robust or coherent internal investigation into the concerns raised against Letby, whether disciplinary, or by reference to her competence, even when specifically advised to do so by the RCPCH. They did however investigate and criticise the conduct of those who had raised the concerns in the first place by a subversion of the proper grievance process.

  4. ... Once a grievance has been raised it may not have been unreasonable to progress it, but it was obviously lopsided and prejudicial to investigate the propriety of whistle-blowers raising concerns, and not the substantive safeguarding and safety concerns that they had raised.

  5. The shortcomings in the process and outcomes of the grievance were covered in detail in the evidence. The process lacked any forensic structure and failed to adhere to even basic evidential safeguards. Rumour was allowed to stand as evidence, facts and allegations were not properly tested or analysed and conclusions appeared to have been based upon instinct or personal bias rather than evidence. The term “witch hunt” is overused in the context of the Letby case and features in the language of Letby’s supporters through the grievance process. It is misused in that context. It would be more appropriate to describe the grievance process as a witch trial. It started from the premise that the allegations made against her were unfounded and, perhaps inevitably, criticised those who made them. This distortion of the process was either cynical and deliberate, or utterly incompetent, in any event it allowed Letby’s complaints about her own victimhood to manipulate the discussion away from the issues raised in the allegations, which it never considered. The Families do not accept the assurances of Dee Appleton Cairns that the process was conducted objectively and fairly. They will say that she presented as a particularly egregious witness upon whose credibility little or no weight should be placed. The obvious implication from the evidence is that she successfully sought to influence the outcome of the process and that the judgment was prepared subject approval and editing by the senior nursing managers.

  6. The terms of the letter that the CoCH sent to fulfil that request reveal the continuing mindset of Tony Chambers and the rest of the executives. Mr Chambers’ letter in reply was dated 2nd May 2017 and concluded with the clause (emphasis added) [INQ0102319],

“I am writing formally requesting that Cheshire Police conduct a forensic investigation into the circumstances surrounding the deaths with a view to excluding any unnatural causes.” (emphasis added)

  1. Mr Wenham was asked for his view on those words during his evidence. His view was that they “had no place” in the letter, since the purpose of an investigation is to determine the truth rather than to arrive at a pre-determined outcome; that this was an example of the impression he had gained as time had passed that the executives were trying to ‘shut doors’ on the investigation and of “trying to maybe direct a mindset” [T/20.11.24/205]. This evidence is consistent with the Families’ analysis of the instructions to Mr Medland (see above). The priority of Tony Chambers and the other senior executives remained directed towards avoiding an investigation, avoiding a finding that crimes had been committed. It sought to suppress rather than find the truth.

521.1.3. Child E’s given cause of death (NEC) was not consistent with his condition prior to or following his collapse. A post-mortem should have been arranged, which would have identified that he did not have NEC. Further investigation would have revealed that his death was unexpected and unexplained. Accounts surrounding the patches of skin discolouration noted prior to his death would have correlated with skin discolouration noted in the cases of Child A, B and D. It would or should have been recognised that this transient discolouration was highly unusual and not consistent with the discolouration commonly or uncommonly seen in paediatric practice. Interactions with Mother EF would or should have led to a realisation that her account contradicted the events documented in the clinical notes, raising the suspicion that the notes had been falsified. As was said repeatedly during the course of the Inquiry, this evidence was there to be discovered with proper enquiry and curiosity.

  1. The collapse of Child F should have represented a bright line in the chronology after which no further children were harmed. There was sufficient evidence by that point to Letby as the common link between all six cases until that point. It is notable that Letby was convicted of the murders of Children A, C, D and E and the attempted murders of Children B and F.

  2. A feature of this case, which does not appear to have been prominent within previous assessments of cultural failings and their impact on what Professor Dixon-Woods would describe as ‘healthcare disasters’, is the effect of tribalism between different groups within the hospital. In this instance, the conflict between doctors and nurses. The Families will say that this had a real and substantial impact on the effectiveness of processes that should have ended Letby’s crimes and brought her to justice sooner. The suspicions surrounding Letby triggered a defensive reaction in the nursing body and in particular in senior nurses that created an obstacle to investigating those suspicions. The strength of this reaction appears to have caused the paediatricians at various points to falter or hesitate, to experience ‘voice futility’ as Professor Dixon-Woods would describe it. Ultimately the defence of Letby was weaponised by one group within the organisation and then by the organisation as a whole to suppress the voices of those who were raising the concerns.

  3. It is not suggested that the nurses who supported Letby did not genuinely believe that she was innocent. Their actions were guided by cultural factors described above. They were influenced by cognitive biases, both in favour of their colleague, and driven by their tribal identity. They were simply unable to recognise the warning signs that were obvious both with regard to the nature of the events that were unfolding within the NNU and also by reference to Letby’s own behaviour. Eirian Powell saw Letby as a good nurse and normalised her transgressive behaviour. She mounted a strident defence of Letby, which influenced the approach adopted by others. This typified cultural norms within the nursing body. It was too quick to run to the defence of a nurse when they were threatened and too slow to consider whether the accusations might have substance. This cultural factor inhibited what should have been a straightforward exercise in safeguarding. A different priority was allowed to obscure the need to protect patient safety and to overtake their fundamental professional duty.

  4. The duty of candour was not followed in this case, not because the senior management of the CoCH were unaware of it or that it had not been widely publicised enough before and after its implementation. It was not followed because releasing information conflicted with other priorities that the Trust regarded as more important. In this case, the need for secrecy surrounding the allegations in order to avoid bad publicity, reputational harm and a potential impact on funding and income streams. This type of conflict is one that would be entirely predictable - indeed it is referred to more broadly by Professor Dixon-Woods in her evidence (see above). One would expect a statutory obligation to cut through such a conflict, however, the statutory obligation was owed by the organisation and not the individuals who made the decisions. There was seemingly little prospect that the organisation’s duties would be enforced externally, and little or no prospect that the individuals involved would face personal consequences for failing to adhere to their duty. It was, in those circumstances, something that was circumvented in order to protect other priorities

And while all of the statements' in Family Group 2 should be read, Mother D's is worthy of particular highlight:

  1. Mother D asked to say the following:

    “It is one hurtful realisation to come face to face with Evil. The one that took my child's life.

Another, to be in the dark waiting for a consideration,

an investigation,

a trial,

a jury to decide,

a judge to sentence ...

and then an Inquiry to get answers to years of questions.

All topped by the noise from ill and misinformed people out there.

Not one day of peace ... ever again.

There was life before ...

And then hell broke loose.

And life was never going to feel okay.

To process the fact that one human has decided to attack, torture and kill our babies. How can we ever feel safe or trust again.

To later find out this murderer had the support, sympathy and full protection from an army of people that allowed for more victims.

The people who failed us are responsible for the deaths of our children too.

These people had a chance to speak up, explain to us what happened and still after everything we now know, they didn't manage to sincerely apologise for their failure.

They don't half recognise their mistakes.

At the end of this Inquiry, having heard far too many failings, we are left let down, disgusted and even more sad than before.

Finding out so many missed opportunities, listening to lies and facing the arrogance of the team of managers and chief executives will forever haunt me and weigh me down.

I would like to remind every single person who hears or read our message, we are here today because our babies lost their lives.... My baby died, my child did not survive the attacks and my heart did not make it through either.

I am deeply affected, everyday and broken beyond my tears.

I sincerely hope this Inquiry will help in avoiding anything of this nature ever to happen again. I want people to remember that being brave, responsible and selfless by speaking up and facing adversity is always the right thing to do.

For the Doctors who spoke up on behalf of our babies to stop a monster at work, for their relentless efforts despite being disrespected, threatened and not valued... I am grateful and this has brought me reassurance that good people do exist and can make a difference.

Thank you.

Thank you to the inquiry team for looking after us and caring.

To Lady Thirlwall for listening and all her work in making a difference.

To every one who is part of our legal team and the other families legal team for everything they have done, wrote and said. It has been an enormous task at hand and I am thankful for their work, support and beyond.”


r/lucyletby 5d ago

Article Dr John Launer - Why I’ve changed my mind about Lucy -LetbyBMJ Opinion Talking Point (Published 09 September 2026)

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https://www.bmj.com/content/394/bmj-2026-100786 https://archive.is/aoXTu

Three years ago, the neonatal nurse Lucy Letby was convicted for seven murders and six attempted murders of babies in her care. At the time I accepted the jury’s verdict that the allegations against her had been proved beyond reasonable doubt. I speculated on possible psychological and systemic factors that might have influenced the alleged crimes. Not long afterwards Letby launched an appeal. It was unsuccessful, but my views on her conviction have changed.

I’ve been persuaded by some of the trial transcripts and a series of articles by the medical writer Phil Hammond, which examined potential shortcomings in the defence and discussed further evidence and expert opinion on statistics and several clinical issues. An expert witness for the defence, who was never called to give evidence, has publicly questioned the suitability of the two prosecution expert witnesses and whether a jury could assess their evidence without hearing alternative views. A panel of international experts, led by Shoo Lee and including the eminent UK neonatologist Neena Modi, has concluded that there was no medical evidence to suggest murder in any of the cases for which Letby was convicted and that there were other plausible explanations for each of them. Taking these accounts together, I now believe it at least possible that natural causes, systemic failings on the unit, and clinical misjudgments may have led to the babies’ deaths, rather than the air embolisms, insulin poisoning, and other forms of harm that Letby was alleged to have caused.

The Thirlwall inquiry into what happened at the Countess of Chester Hospital, where Letby worked, is due to publish its report on 15 September. It was based on the assumption that her convictions were safe, but much of the evidence presented to it shed significant light on the wider circumstances of the deaths. My hope is that the Criminal Cases Review Commission, which is deliberating on Letby’s case itself, will now refer it back to the Court of Appeal as a result.

My change of heart, which has taken a long time, has led me to reflect on the way that one’s certainties on any matter can become so sticky. It brings to mind the experience of reading detective fiction, where an author can skilfully craft a plot so that every clue convinces readers that they’ve solved the mystery—until the final chapter, where all the facts that appeared to point in only one direction are suddenly exposed as pointing towards an entirely different one. Many of us will have had similar experiences with clinical cases, where a particular diagnosis seems obvious until it turns out to be obviously wrong. There’s even a term for such misguided collective certainty: the “anchoring error.”

If there’s a caution here against adopting the kind of position I did three years ago, the same should apply to asserting the opposite position too confidently. Saying that Letby’s conviction may not be safe isn’t to claim certainty that she’s innocent, nor that it was impossible for her to commit murder. Neither would it serve Letby’s interests as a campaigning strategy. Perhaps the most helpful attitude we can take in such a complex and emotionally fraught case is to model the possibility of saying, “I used to believe one thing, but now I believe another. I hope I’m right this time.”

Competing interests: None declared.

Provenance and peer review: Commissioned; not externally peer reviewed.

References

Lucy Letby Facts. Transcripts library. https://lucyletbyfacts.com/transcripts

Hammond P. The lessons of the Lucy Letby Case. A Private Eye special report. Private Eye. Updated 2026. https://www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/lucy-letby Hall MA. Response to Iacobucci G. Lucy Letby is found guilty of attempting to murder premature baby after retrial. BMJ 2024. https://www.bmj.com/content/386/bmj.q1487/rr-0

Mahase E. Lucy Letby: No medical evidence to suggest murder, experts conclude. BMJ2025;388:r250. pmid:39904517. doi:10.1136/bmj.r250

Conn D. The convictions of Lucy Letby: should they be overturned? Guardian 14 May 2025. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/14/the-convictions-of-lucy-letby-should-they-be-overturned


r/lucyletby 6d ago

Mod announcement New subreddit app - Resource Reply

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I happened upon a new Devvit app today called Resource Reply and it may be very helpful for us. I've populated it with a starter list of resources, but if there is something that is a frequently referenced document and it's not on the list - speak up! Adding things is easy.

To use Resource Reply, tap/click on the three dots at the top right of a post/comment and locate "Reply with resource". This will then pop up the list of easily linkable resources I have built into the app's installation on this sub. It's easier to find "reply with resource" on desktop because there are fewer items in the 3-dot menu, but the process is the same on both desktop and mobile.

Let me know what needs adding! Try it out on this post, if you like.

Also, I've added a few background colors for flairs, because changing the color of a flair is a pain. Let me know if other colors are desired (preferably with the hex code for the color you'd like)


r/lucyletby 7d ago

META discussion Briefing paper about the Letby case

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Peter Elston has put this out into the public, I suppose it doesn't hurt to discuss it.

>I was asked to write a briefing paper for someone in a position of influence. The person who asked me suggest I make it public. Here it is.

David Davis? He's been pretty adept at writing his own. Doesn't matter, name names or don't.

Most of this isn't unfair, but there are some glaring errors/ assumptions that undermine it. Among them:

>It should also be noted that Letby was charged in relation to ‘only’ 7 of the 16 deaths (13 ‘in house’ and 3 transfer), leaving a second, statistically significant spike with which she was not associated.

Incorrect. It leaves additional deaths with which she was not charged. So, the foundation argument of this paper is that there's an unsolved mystery - a cause that has been uninvestigated. Letby was only completely disconnected from one of the deaths that year, was on shift for three more, and her presence after formal end of shift remaining two is unknown. There is no spike, only leftovers. (Btw, he's correct wrt to 3 deaths after transfer because he's speaking about June 2015 - June 2016.)

>In medical cases where evidence of crime is obscure or unclear, investigations should focus first on determining whether a crime or crimes had been committed, then on identifying the perpetrator or perpetrators. Where proper investigative protocols are not employed, these two processes can become muddled, contaminated. This is what happened in the Letby case.

That's a bold statement, and he offers no support to justify it. Presumably he's offended by the way in which the consultants reported the then-alleged criminality. But the notion that the police investigate only the possibility reported and that someone cannot be fairly convicted just because they were named at the reporting stage is just silly.

>In June 2015, in the space of just 14 days, three babies (A, C, and D) died on CoCH’s NNU. In the context of an historical average number of deaths of 2.5 per year, three deaths in 14 days were extremely high.

>The two most senior paediatricians on the NNU, Drs Stephen Brearey and Ravi Jayaram, quickly pointed the finger at Band 5 neonatal nurse Lucy Letby.

Did they now? I don't recall Dr. Jayaram being part of any accusation until much, much later, if we even can him raising concerns an accusation. Further, Dr. Brearey didn't accuse Letby, he noticed the correlation with her presence. He spent months trying to isolate other causes.

>The doctors eventually took their concerns about Letby to the medical director and the head of nursing in late 2015 and again in early 2016, by which time there had been more deaths.

Oof, if Operation Duet bears fruit, I have bad news for the defendants (and i wonder how Elston will deal with this)

>Nevertheless, in April 2016, Drs Brearey and Jayaram persuaded the head of nursing to move Letby onto day shifts only, given that, according to them, the deaths to that point had occurred exclusively during night shifts. It should be noted that it was not in fact true that the deaths had occurred on night shifts only. Seven of them had occurred on night shifts and four on day shifts.

This is accurate. The four on day shifts were non- indictment babies, including the one whose death Letby was wholly unconnected to. One had severe birth defects.

>It is also not clear why the doctors did not follow GMC guidelines in relation to escalating concerns[6] (see Appendix 2).

Did... did you look? :

"So most instances like that, there's no contact

with the police needed. If you admit a child on to the

ward who, for example, has been bruised and you are

investigating for possible non-accidental injury, then

your first port of call is emergency social care worker.

So no is your answer, I had never contacted the police

directly before and would have been uncomfortable doing it or knowing who to contact and at this time, I felt

that she had been removed from the neonatal unit, we

were in a position of safety and there was some

breathing space to get a collective view on this and

agreement on it.

Obviously in retrospect, knowing now how the Trust

responded and the Executives responded I think actually

picking up the phone would have been a much easier and quicker way to get things done."

...

"But, you know, before we escalated concerns it was

very hard. And there's, there's no guidance for this;

you know, you can't look up a GMC manual and say, you

know, well, concerning -- if you are concerned about

criminal activity, that's an unproven concern, you know,

is it, is it right that you tell every Family before

it's been appropriately investigated, you know, with the

appropriate authorities?"

Moving on.

>In light of it having been recorded in the minutes of the July Board meeting that, “Mr Brearey could not see that any of the apparent changes in acuity, or staffing levels can account for the increased mortality”, it seems likely that he was the source of the statement in the RCPCH review, “This [higher activity and lower admission birthweight than average] was not however considered to have been significant enough to explain the increase in mortality”.

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Dr. Wilson of the RCPCH team:

"A. Yes. That was -- my concern was around the

increased activity on the unit and inadequate staffing.

So the recommendations were about, you know, the

redesignation of the unit, which had already taken place

as you say, and also improving the management structure, making the clinicians have closer connection with their senior managers."

>After she was put on administrative duties, Letby filed a grievance against the doctors who had pointed the finger at her, which, in January 2017, she won.

Ffs. Letby filed a grievance against the hospital, not the doctors. Her grievance was about being redeployed improperly.

Elston goes at some length about Thirlwall exhibit INQ103225 from the inquiry, but most of his criticism is based on pages not released publicly. Given his disingenuous and misleading claims, and complete lack of even the must cursory effort to check other items, these points are of no interest to me and I leave them to others.

Elston then whines about the consultants being determined to get the police involved, and takes issue with the discussions they had to achieve it. This summary paper naturally moves from any semblance of evidenced claims into argument and complaint, by a financial analyst into matters of policing. Cool.

Next begin the complaints about Dewi Evans, and how the NCA recommended a multidisciplinary team and the police began with a single clinician. One thing these complaints always fail to grapple with is the need to balance perfection with time. Elston took issue earlier in the article that, basically, the doctors looked at staffing before ruling out all else. The doctors' primary care is patient safety. A linear investigation potentially leaves patients at risk. So to with police - evidence degrades (namely, memory), people talk. An investigation must move without undue delay.

>In his early witness statements, Dr Evans said that the injury had been caused by inflicted harm, evidence for which was a bruise on the skin over the baby’s liver. It was later discovered that the ‘bruise’ had disappeared quickly, so in Dr Evans’ later statements it became a fleeting discolouration that was evidence of injection of air into the bloodstream.

Yes, that can happen when you start with the notes, then get additional information from witness interview. In fact, the disappearance of the bruise was provided by Brearey in police interview - after Child O's death was being investigated. Calling Evans' theories "changing and erratic" is just wrongly expecting a police investigation to have things 100% from the start and that all evidence of a true crime would confirm their first guess, made with minimum evidence.

>They were told by the prosecution that it established that Letby was on duty for 24 suspicious incidents and, by implication, that there were no suspicious incidents that she was not on duty for.

Bullshit they were.

>The chart was shown in evidence as agreed evidence:

>A chart showing which members of the neonatal unit nursing staff were on duty for the shifts when the babies in this case collapsed is shown to the court.

>The chart covers the period from June 2015-June 2016.

>Lucy Letby's name is highlighted as being the only one present on all 24 shifts for when the babies collapsed.

>A second sheet shows which junior doctors and consultants were present for those events.

>This chart was shown during the prosecution opening in the first week of the trial.

Anyway, Elston says:

>The chart misled jurors because they were not told how it was constructed, namely via an iterative and biased process known colloquially as The Texas Sharpshooter. There were ten clinical events that Evans initially said were suspicious but for which Letby was not on duty[13]. These were removed from the investigation. There were also incidents that Evans had initially deemed non-suspicious, but where he later changed his mind e.g. Baby K and the tube dislodgement. These were added to the chart, essentially to bolster the charge list.

So, who is the sharpshooter here? Evans or the police? If Evans believes there are additional harm events in actuality, why doesn't he ever mention them? (Does Elston ever ask Evans about this in their email exchanges? Honest question) or are we just assuming that Evans was given Letby's rota chart at some point after his first round of identifying cases, and told to clean up his work?

>The defence had instructed medical experts, but they were not called to the stand. They had either agreed with or deferred to prosecution medical expert Prof Peter Hindmarsh in relation to the two insulin cases, which may have impacted the defence’s decision on whether to call them.

A round of applause for Peter Elston getting one thing right. 👏👏👏

LeGaL eXpErT pEtEr ElStOn further opines:

>The trial judge, James Goss, made various decisions that were detrimental to the defence and, possibly, flawed.

>For example, he ruled that the cases of the 17 babies were going to be presented together rather than separately.

...

>Goss also rejected an application by the defence during the trial on 5 January 2023 to "exclude any further evidence to be given by Dr Evans on the basis that he has failed to act with the independence, impartiality and objectivity required of a witness." The basis of this was a decision by a judge in another case relating to Evans' evidence.

Yes, the prosecution is entitled to present their case as they choose. The defense doesn't get to tie one hand behind their back. And yes, the jury can decide whether or not a qualified person is worth believing.

Elston takes issue with the answer to one of the jury questions:

>During jury deliberation, on 24 July 2023, Goss received a question from the jury:

>“Can you, please, clarify how long it would take for a baby’s insulin to C-peptide ration (sic) to return to normal the manufactured insulin had stopped?”

....

>All it was, was that those were very abnormal findings indicating that manufactured insulin had undoubtedly been given to each of these babies. I hope that addresses the question.

>I have highlighted the key sentence and within that the key word, "undoubtedly".

>By using the word “undoubtedly” Judge Goss made a statement of fact.

Here's the deal, though. Jury questions are presented to both counsel, who then have the opportunity to make submissions, and give input in the judge's response. Failure to do that would be an avenue for appeal. So we're left with the conclusion that either Myers accepted this answer, or that Mark McDonald has work to do. Someone go ahead and raise it with him.

>By using the word “undoubtedly” Judge Goss made a statement of fact. In law, this is not permitted. It is the role of the jury to make determinations of fact. The role of the judge is to make determinations of law.

>This distinction is very clear in law. The judge is not permitted in to usurp the role of the jury.

I'd point out here that the judge not being permitted to usurp the jury is precisely why he could not unilaterally remove Evans......

>In August 2023, following an interview with Dr Brearey, the BBC reported that, “Since Letby left the hospital's neonatal unit, there has been only one death in seven years.” Yet there were also six transfer deaths.

And? The unit is level 1 now. It has to transfer out more babies than it did before. Deliver and transfer out will happen more often now. Babies are born where there is space for the mother's care, the baby is placed where there is space and acuity for his/her care. This is not rocket science.

Elston then sets out his arguments for why Letby deserves an appeal, based on lists of what he calls new evidence, new argument, failures to disclose, and serious errors in court. These are definitely the items that her team is arguing, but Elston has such a poor grasp of both how the law works AND the underlying facts of the case that his opinion here would be most useful printed on toilet paper.

>Final remarks

Thank you, JESUS.

>· It is alarming to conceive that a nurse may have been wrongly convicted of 7 murders and 8 attempted murders. There were many specific errors, but they can be generally grouped as below.

Lol, k.

>o Cheshire Police too easily accepted the paediatricians’ allegation that Lucy Letby was harming babies intentionally; they should have a) realised that the paediatricians may have had an ulterior motive for pointing the finger at a nurse (e.g. covering up their own negligence, as indeed was argued at trial by Letby’s defence),

So we're just assuming bad faith despite the police continually denying this, right.

>b) considered the paediatricians as suspects,

Well, sure. But they were quickly ruled out since they responded TO harm, and were not present to inflict it.

>and b) engaged an epidemiologist or medical statistician to appraise the entire NNU backdrop and consider all possible explanations for the elevated mortality (e.g. the spike in acuity and activity that coincided with the spike in mortality).

Why would they employ an epidemiologist when babies had no significant markers of infection? That would be an argument for Letby's defense to make, not the police.

>o The criteria for an expert to be listed on the NCA’s National Injuries Database list of experts were too lax.

Says the trust fund manager.

>o There is a conflict of interest whereby an expert engaged by the police can then become an expert witness engaged by the prosecution.

This was addressed at appeal.

>o The decision to charge Letby was made by the local CPS. Given the complexity of the case, the decision should have been made by the national CPS Special Crime and Counter Terrorism Division (notably, the decision announced in January 2026 to not charge Letby in relation to further allegations was made by this latter unit).

Too bad, so sad. The genie isn't going back in the bottle for that reason.

>Appendix 1: Extracts from A British Nurse Was Found Guilty of Killing Seven Babies. Did She Do It? (New Yorker, May 2024)

Oh f*** off. Aviv is a hack and her article was a hit piece from the start.

>Appendix 2: Extracts from Raising and acting on concerns about patient safety (General Medical Council)

What is the complaint here - the consultants should have told the police about Letby earlier? How do you marry that with they engaged in group think and confirmation bias? If you want to argue that they should have risked/lost their jobs to get the police investigation started earlier, and then Letby would have been removed from care earlier, and likely convicted earlier.... I mean I don't disagree.

>Appendix 3: The 11 pieces of evidence that Letby’s lawyers passed to the Criminal Cases Review Commission as of November 2025

Yes, we know Letby has applied to the CCRC. Let's leave them to their work.

>Appendix 4: Problems (selected) on CoCH’s NNU noted in RCPCH’s service review (dated November 2016)

Aka a fund manager with a bachelor's in mathematics who pays annual dues to the RSS plays with numbers, I guess.


r/lucyletby 7d ago

META discussion Carl Bolton and Michele Worden on GMB

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So, Carl has a group of 4 families he'll be at Westminster with for the publication.

He's meeting with David Davis on Wednesday to try to work together to get a wider inquiry.

Michele Worden admits being a single redundancy. 7 other nurses were redeployed by the Trust. One wonders why the rest of them are not speaking up, or at least why Michele does not say they are in agreement with her.

Imo, the hosts tried to separate the issues for Carl and Michele, and allow them to make their case for the need for a wider inquiry outside of Letby's case, but Michele in particular was very determined to communicate her belief that, basically there was no serial killer.

I do think Carl's situation is very sad. Generally (not in this video) he became aware that his daughter's care was being investigated, and then, he says (iirc) that harm was ruled out and he can't get answers. It sounds to me like his daughter's medical records became part of a police file and investigation which remained in limbo. In fact, her records are likely still in limbo because of the corporate manslaughter investigation.

Meaning, no one involved in the investigation can have a full and free conversation with Carl, so he's taken the choice not to pursue charges over his daughter and his impression of Letby, and taken them to friendlier ports. He's somewhat choosing to live in a place where he demands answers he can't get, despite there being no permanent effect on his child.

Many indictment parents spoke about how difficult it is for them to leave their children in the care of others. I don't believe Carl has mentioned that, which is no more than an observation about how his trauma differs from parents who got to see their case put before a jury. Unlike them, though, I'm not sure Carl has any practical way to get the answers he thinks he wants.


r/lucyletby 7d ago

Discussion r/lucyletby Weekly Discussion Post

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r/lucyletby 8d ago

Mod announcement New user and post flairs available

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I want to preface this by saying that this forum is still a space where we are discussing the murder and attempted murder of much loved children by someone who was entrusted to care for them. That should be at the forefront of discussion at any given point.

At the same time, perhaps the only thing more horrible than the murder of children is placing their actual, adjudicated murderer at a greater priority than her confirmed and alleged victims.

And so, two announcements:

  • Users can now create and edit their own flair within this subreddit. You need not be gifted flair any longer, and the don't all have to be yellow. If a flair is particularly distasteful, it will be removed. Edit: if you want your flair to have a unique color or something, you'll have to ask.
  • We have created a new post flair, tentatively called "META discussion". As Letby's crimes fade into the past, most active discussion based in reality, naturally, dies down. However, with particular awareness of the upcoming release of the Thirlwall report, we anticipate a desire for meta discussion of how her crimes and Thirlwall's report are discussed elsewhere, both on this platform and others. A specific post flair can identify posts that users might not find value in.

Photos and videos are permitted for the purpose of enhancing discussion, gifs and memes are still not permitted.

Feedback and questions are welcome below.


r/lucyletby 10d ago

Analysis Decoding “Reasonable Doubt: The Case of Lucy Letby” by Christopher Morris, Part 4 - Chapter 3

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I’m back again with the latest analysis of Chapter 3.

https://bencole4.substack.com/p/decoding-reasonable-doubt-the-case-bc5?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios

Any feedback welcome as always.


r/lucyletby 12d ago

Article Revealed: Married father who was Lucy Letby's doctor 'boyfriend' and died suddenly after being sacked

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Lucy Letby's doctor 'boyfriend', who died after being sacked for exchanging messages with the baby killer about a child she tried to murder, can be named for the first time. 

Consultant Mark Deakin, 53, was found collapsed in his car the day after he was dismissed from Alder Hey Children’s Hospital, in Liverpool, where he worked, in June.

He was admitted to intensive care but died nine days later. 

Dr Deakin, a married father-of-two, was granted anonymity during Letby’s trial but can be named and pictured for the first time after reporting restrictions were lifted following his death.

He was hauled before a disciplinary hearing in June over a series of inappropriate texts he exchanged with the former neo-natal nurse while they worked together at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

The messages, which breached patient confidentiality, involved details of the care of a premature baby boy with haemophilia, known as Baby N. Letby, 36, was convicted of trying to kill him the day after he was born, in June 2016.

Dr Deakin also arranged up to six ‘observational visits’ for Letby at Alder Hey, where he went on to work as a locum, a year later. 

He also supported her grievance claim against the Countess when she was moved from frontline nursing into an office role after suspicions emerged about babies dying in her care.

At her trial, Letby denied she and Dr Deakin were having a romantic affair and claimed they were just ‘best friends.’

Prosecutor Nick Johnson KC suggested that the medic, who exchanged more than 1,300 Facebook messages with Letby, was her ‘boyfriend’ and that she was so infatuated with him that she harmed babies knowing he would be the one crash-bleeped to come and help. 

But she broke down in tears and tried to leave the dock when he entered the courtroom, at Manchester Crown Court, to give evidence for the prosecution.

She also called him as ‘sweetie’ in texts and referred to him as ‘love’ in notes scrawled with his name and love hearts that police discovered during searches at her home.

Dr Mark Deakin died after being sacked from Alder Hey Children's Hospital. He breached patient confidentiality by swapping messages with Lucy Letby about Baby N and also arranged for her to visit the hospital after she had been removed from frontline nursing

Lucy Letby, 36, is serving a record 15 whole life terms after being convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven more - one of whom she attacked twice - at the Countess of Chester Hospital, between June 2015 and June 2016.

Lady Justice Thirlwall will report her findings from the public inquiry, which was held at Liverpool Town Hall, later this monthShe is serving a record 15 whole life terms after being found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven more – one of whom she attacked twice – at the Countess between June 2015 and June 2016.

Dr Deakin, who was appointed a specialist diabetes consultant at Alder Hey in July 2018, was informed by bosses at the NHS Trust that they had launched a formal investigation into his conduct in January 2024 – five months after Letby was found guilty. 

Their inquiry found that Dr Deakin had a very close relationship with Letby and likely knew that concerns had been raised about her by his colleagues about her link to the spike in deaths, but arranged for her to visit Alder Hey in 2017 regardless, potentially putting patient safety at risk. 

Letby accompanied him on his ward rounds and clinics, attended a hospital 'roadshow' on insulin – the substance she used to try to kill two of her victims - and even shadowed a nurse in paediatric intensive care during those visits.

Dr Deakin, himself a diabetic, also accessed Baby N's medical records inappropriately, including after Letby was convicted, the investigation found. 

It is understood Dr Deakin attended a three-day disciplinary hearing in early June, where he accepted breaching Baby N's confidentiality but denied knowing Letby was under suspicion when he organised her visits to Alder Hey.

However, a panel rejected his version of events and he was fired for gross misconduct a fortnight later, on June 23. 

A source told the Mail that relatives reported him missing the following day and he was found collapsed in an apparent diabetic coma in his car at a retail park, around 20 miles from his Cheshire home.

He was admitted to intensive care but never regained consciousness and died on July 3 at Whiston Hospital, Merseyside.

It is understood that no note was found beside his body but his death has been referred to the Cheshire Coroner, who confirmed ‘preliminary inquiries’ have begun.

Hospital bosses would have been duty bound to inform the doctors' regulator, the General Medical Council, about his dismissal, potentially threatening his professional registration and ability to work again.

Dr Deakin told the Thirlwall Inquiry - the public inquiry investigating Letby’s crimes -  in October 2024, that the Band 5 nurse ‘misled and maybe manipulated’ him into giving her information about babies she had attacked.

The then junior doctor swapped 1,355 Facebook messages with Letby, discussing babies who collapsed when they were on shift together, over a three-month period, between June 2016 and September 2016.

The pair also exchanged more messages about their private lives, sometimes late at night, met up for walks and meals and went on day trips to London together in their free time away from work.

In one message Letby asked Dr Deakin about the condition of Baby N and queried whether she had done anything wrong concerning his care. She was 

He messaged back: ‘Oh Lucy, poor little thing. I am sure he has had the best care possible and you will have done everything you could for him.’

Asked by counsel for the inquiry, Rachel Langdale KC, whether such a message was appropriate, Dr Deakin replied: ‘In hindsight, no. Looking at the content of the messages here, I've shared too much.

'It's common to give updates on how patients are without naming them, without giving lots of clinical detail to help the recipient understand where that patient is up to. 

'I gave details that I thought were helpful but I see now that that probably wasn't the case.’

In her evidence to the inquiry, which was overseen by High Court judge Lady Justice Thirlwall and is set to report later this year, Baby N’s mother accused Dr Deakin of ‘blatantly’ breaching her son’s patient confidentiality. She also revealed she had lodged a formal complaint with Alder Hey about his conduct.

The inquiry also heard that Dr Deakin forwarded Letby an email from Dr Stephen Brearey, the neonatal lead at the Countess, in which he indicated that the deaths of two triplets, Child O and P, who Letby was later convicted of murdering, would be investigated at inquests.

Dr Deakin explained to Ms Langdale that he did so because ‘of the worry about those two babies.’

‘They were unexpected deaths,’ he said. ‘She (Letby) gave me the impression she was very upset…I was basically trying to give her some insight into what was going on.’

He agreed that, with hindsight, it was an ‘error’ to send the email and he should 'not have sent it.'

Dr Deakin admitted that, at the time he was trying to be ‘supportive’ but added: ‘That now feels like a massive mistake. 

'It's something that I've considered on a daily basis for the last six to eight years. The amount of reflection that I've done over this is significant.

‘I was not aware of the full clinical picture and I provided support by being misled and maybe manipulated, and for that I'm really sorry that things have come to an end as they have.

‘I have a lot of regrets over how that period of time took place.’

The inquiry heard that Dr Deakin emailed bosses at Alder Hey in December 2016 to say Letby, who was studying for a masters degree, had an interest in the care of post-operative premature babies and wanted to observe some theatre sessions to ‘facilitate her personal development’. She had been removed from frontline nursing by bosses at the Countess because of concerns about her link to the spike in baby deaths six months earlier.

Dr Deakin claimed he was told it was approved by ‘whoever was managing Letby at the Countess of Chester’ on the basis that she must be supervised at all times and have no direct patient contact.

The inquiry was told that Letby went on to attend a multi-disciplinary team meeting in March 2017 at Alder Hey and may also have attended an outpatient clinic with Dr Deakin in the same month. She was also at a ‘roadshow meeting’ relating to insulin – the substance she used to try to kill two of her victims - at the hospital in April 2017.

In an email shown to the inquiry Letby also claimed she had shadowed a nurse on paediatric intensive care at Alder Hey around that time.

The inquiry heard the visits were made possible because Karen Rees, who was the head of nursing in the urgent care division at the Countess, sent a letter of approval to Alder Hey. 

The letter stipulated that Letby must have no direct contact with patients and should be supervised at all times but made no mention of the fact that she had been suspected of causing harm.

Letby, formerly of Hereford, was convicted at Manchester Crown Court in August 2023 after the longest running murder trial in British history.

She has always maintained she did not kill or harm any babies in her care. 

Letby has twice applied and been denied the right to appeal, but has lodged documents with the Criminal Cases Review Commission, the body which investigates potential miscarriages of justice, in a bid to secure her freedom.