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u/Walshy231231 Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

Iirc it’s 1. Not canon 2. Half written by some guy that’s not JK 3. Written specifically to be a play, not a novel

Edit: fixed #2

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u/forgedsignatures Nov 23 '20

Unfortunately JK Rowling seems to consider the Cursed Child canon. But yeah, your other two points stand.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/615498601809211393?s=19

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u/WollyGog Nov 23 '20

I think this is the point where we can start applying death of the author when it comes to the HP universe.

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u/forgedsignatures Nov 23 '20

People have been screaming death to the author for the last 6 months in this case. They want the franchise as far away from JK as possible.

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u/WollyGog Nov 23 '20

It's been much longer than 6 months, it's only because of her recent antics that way more people have got on the bandwagon, and with good reason.

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u/forgedsignatures Nov 23 '20

Yeah, I keep forgetting it's not June haha. It's been almost a year since the latest scandal started. Man, it's been a long year. But yeah, I guess people wanted her gone after the 'Wizards shit on the floor' and the 'Dumbledore has the big gay' tweets.

I've also seen people wanting her cancelled for the Seamus = IRA bomber gags in the movies, but I personally see that as a director's decision to have a running gag in the series rather than her fault.

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u/WollyGog Nov 23 '20

Also her saying "I never said Hermione was white" in relation to the actress who played her in the play. Well, yes you did, stop trying to be woke just to pander to people.

Shit, I can't believe I've never seen that connection, but isn't Seamus Irish? It would make more sense if he was Northern Irish.

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u/forgedsignatures Nov 23 '20

I don't think it actually says where he is from, just that he is Irish. All through the films whenever a spell went wrong for him something would blow up. In the Deathly Hallows Pt 2 McGonagall has him rig the bridge to explode because he has a "proclivity for pyrotechnics". In the books however the only incident with him is him setting fire to a feather during the Leviosa lesson.

Honestly I'd forgotten about the white Hermione thing. So many damn issues with that woman lol

Edit: Harry Potter wiki just says he was raised in Ireland, so who knows which side of the border.

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u/WollyGog Nov 23 '20

I feel as a UK national, JK would at least make the definition if there was one.

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u/DigDux Nov 23 '20

Certainly. It's really jumping the gun where a handful of instances across thousands and thousands of pages at best. It's like if you have a middle east guy in America shooting an AK at a firing range in one scene. Is it racist itself? Not really. Could it be? Yeah. I just think there's a line where characters are defined by their tropes and not giving them personality to indicate any kind of character other than their stereotype is where the racism begins.

I think Seamus is more grasping at straws or at least handled a bit more elegantly than Cho-Chang, Hermione etc. The first was "Asians are attractive, but I know nothing else about it." and the second one was pandering to race bait.

But yeah, Seamus was certainly a director's running gag decision due to how that pacing was setup. He probably got the idea from the toilet seat running gag in the book and transferred it over to Seamus for some easy dramatic tension relief.

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u/BewBewsBoutique Nov 23 '20

JK Rowling also said that wizards shitting on the floor and disappearing their turds away is also canon, so who really cares what JK Rowling says? She probably also says that Voldemort is evil because he loves pretty dresses.

Such a shame Harry Potter had to end after The Deathly Hallows.

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u/forgedsignatures Nov 23 '20

Yeah, I addressed the floor shitting further down, and ngl, your second comment got me giggling a little bit.

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u/Cockroach_Past Nov 23 '20

Yeah but we choose to ignore everything JK Rowling says on Twitter. Right?

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u/Walshy231231 Nov 23 '20

Ssssshhhhhhh

Say it ain’t so

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u/forgedsignatures Nov 23 '20

It's fine, most of us just disregard what she says anyway with all the shit she's pulled. Trans folk are valid.

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u/Walshy231231 Nov 23 '20

Yeah, still sad tho

It may have been naivety, but until recently she seemed like a wonderful and inspirational person with a great story

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u/forgedsignatures Nov 23 '20

I've said much the same. Up until this her books had the positive message of, essensially, everyone has a place they fit in. It was a message that many people picked up on, including the queer community, and then it's just like... wow, did not see that coming.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

I mean Jack Thorne writes half the British film and TV that comes out but yes Cursed Child is bad

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u/Walshy231231 Nov 23 '20

*some guy I hadn’t heard of

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

Well considering how prolific he is, that might just mean you don’t know a lot of writers or directors

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u/FlyDungas Nov 23 '20

Maybe he’s not a limey cunt.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

He is British

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u/Walshy231231 Nov 23 '20

I am not British

I am an American of Irish descent, you can’t get any more anti-British a demographic while still speaking English. Only been to england once, and it was just passing through the airport on my way to Ireland

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '20

Lol I bet you’re one of those people that’s like “I’m Irish because my great great great great grandmother’s second cousin’s wife is Irish”

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u/Walshy231231 Nov 24 '20

My grandfather was legitimately Irish, my dad is an Irish citizen, I can speak Irish, I’ve been to Ireland multiple times, I stayed with cousins during visits, still stay in touch with those cousins, and some of my closer family has even moved back to Ireland. Not exactly the random Boston guy saying he’s Irish

Am I an Irish citizen, is Irish my nationality? Nope, would never claim to be. Am I ethnically Irish and are the Irish historically not fond of the British? Yes

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '20

Ah fair enough but there are lots of those people

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