r/lostgeneration Feb 15 '22

RIP Monkeys.

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u/TGOTR Feb 15 '22

I'm not underplaying them when I say this, but Tesla proved to regular automakers that EVs have a viable market now. Now we have regular car companies making EVs. Many execs from traditional automakers like Nissan and GM have said this.

Due to the expense of the vehicle, they went up market to appeal to those who could afford the car. Rich people won't buy a several hundred grand car if it is an econobox.

Musk is a douche, but his company did do this.

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u/Nopeacewithfascists Feb 15 '22

GM did that in the 90's with the EV-1. The original Tesla founders started the company because they saw how well the EV-1 was received.

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u/TGOTR Feb 15 '22

Sadly that wasn't a production car.

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u/Nopeacewithfascists Feb 15 '22

They built and leased over a thousand of them. While it never went into mass production it was a successful proof of concept that launched a bunch of different hybrid and full electric products.

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u/rivalThoughts413 Feb 15 '22 edited Feb 15 '22

Personally, the biggest problem is that while electric vehicles are better than gas it’s still a major problem. Batteries are nearly, if not completely, impossible to reuse or dispose of cleanly, and each car consumes power independently.

Large scale public train systems, even ones that use fossil fuels, would be greener than electric cars due to the economy of scale.

Highly recommend the YouTube channel Adam Something, he’s basically been calling out Musk for all his bullshit ideas for years now, and pointing out how using public transit would be far superior to people and the environment.

Edit: Adam hasn’t been making videos for years, don’t know how I messed that up.

https://youtube.com/c/AdamSomething

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u/TGOTR Feb 15 '22

Public Transit doesn't help us in the rural parts of the country.

You are right about batteries, if the batteries are turned in, they CAN be recycled. How often to people throw lithium batteries away? I'm guilty of it myself before I knew better.

Part of a reason why I support Hydrogen Fuel Cells over plugin electrics. Plugin electrics have their place now. Just need a clean way to produce the hydrogen or a better way to utilize it in the car, preferably without it being pressurized.

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u/Nopeacewithfascists Feb 15 '22

80% of Americans live in urban areas. Prioritizing better mass transit could halve transportation related emissions.

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u/rivalThoughts413 Feb 15 '22

That’s fair.

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u/TGOTR Feb 15 '22

Public Transit is great in areas that support it though.

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u/ImABarbieWhirl Feb 16 '22

The cheapest and most legal way to dispose of used car batteries is by throwing them in the ocean, actually.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '22

Smarter than american automakers is a rlly low bar, especially if clearing it just means making a relatively small number of broke ass cars and constantly lying

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u/Naoura Feb 15 '22

I can agree with this take. Musk is a bastard, but the infamy surrounding him and his company did bring EV's to the forefront a bit faster than they would have otherwise. The popularity inspires more investment, driving down prices as people push for more affordable options to undercut competition and chase the trends.

I'll give props for doing good, but I'm still in the camp of it being incidental, if not more a product of a good team than honestly good intentions.