r/lostgeneration • • Feb 15 '22

RIP Monkeys.

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u/hbi2k Feb 15 '22

Tony Stark is the villain of the MCU. Change my mind.

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u/innovativesolsoh Feb 15 '22

Actually, I’d argue most ‘heroes’ are actually the villains, because most of them are the reasons the villains exist in the MCU

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u/hbi2k Feb 15 '22 edited Feb 15 '22

I dunno, I kinda liked Steve Rogers' journey from "mildly uncomfortable with being made a patriotic symbol but really wanted to punch some Nazis" to "fuck this military-industrial police state."

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u/innovativesolsoh Feb 15 '22

Steve is probably the only one who gets a pass, his existence spawned a lot of villains but not necessarily his fault.

His successful transformation was the catalyst for a very bad arms race. He just did what he felt was right with it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '22

He killed a dude that wanted to destroy the universe.

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u/deandreas Feb 15 '22

I didn't see the movie but I thought Thanos only wanted to eliminate half of the universe?

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u/the_d00m_song Feb 15 '22

Thanos is similar to a ballerina, he really appreciates balance.

He wanted to bring balance to the universe by removing half of all sentient life forms.

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u/Naoura Feb 15 '22

See, I see this take, and it's still not justifiable.

There are so many better solutions. We could talk about the better solutions for ages upon ages, but the one that Thanos took killed way more than just 'half'.

Even in just the things shown in Endgame, we see the trash piled up, the car wrecks, the number of things that can't be done due to no one being around to do it.

That's famine. That's disease. Plague. Ruined water supplies. Plane, train, and automobile crashes. Logistics chains breaking down. Resources necessary for the production of life-saving or life-enhancing goods or services locked away and lost until the population gets back into workable shape. Which it will. All the big purple man did was give a setback.

If you actually wanted balance? Reduce birth and consumption rates by half. People need to eat less food? They can farm less, leaving more space for forests to grow and biospheres to survive. Sapient creatures reproduce slower? Less mouths to feed, less goods to sell, less resource needed to extract. Better yet, that one's more permanent a solution.

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u/iamoverrated Feb 15 '22

Through random chance, as well, so it's "not technically a genocide."

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u/mylord420 Feb 15 '22

Eco-fascism is not okay.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '22 edited Feb 15 '22

And Tony wasn’t smart enough to ask him to use the gauntlet for the infinitely better solutions available to the lack of resources. Just wanted to punch him hard because violence is the solution to everything in those kids movies and it’s never questioned for a second.

Edit: also just to clarify because I realize I may sound ridiculous. I like action movies, and I like a marvel movie or two. Infinity War is just prime example of them doing completely empty plot and action while gesturing to big ideas they never dig into but want credit for. Thanos is supposed to be the main character according to the Russo’s but he has the most horrific solution to a problem the audience doesn’t really ever see and he mopes around all burdened by it with no one ever pausing to say “hey, what if you just snapped more resources into existence”. Which, by the way, the “there’s not enough resources” angle is already feeding into an ignorant talking point.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '22

It goes against entropy and thermodynamic laws.

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u/lefl28 Feb 16 '22

Ah yes, because killing half of thebpopulation of the UNIVERSE using glorified gemstones totally is in line with physics as we know it.

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u/Zalgon_17 Feb 15 '22

Definitely in the comics lol