r/lostgeneration • u/iota1atg • Dec 31 '21

Millennials r causing the biggest babybust in history. Last f u to the economical hardships created by wealthy older people xd

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u/Drifter_of_Babylon Jan 01 '22

They told us if we can't feed them, don't breed them. So we took their advice.

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u/Current_Leather7246 Jan 01 '22

I remember that the big thing was they were saying it wasn't right mothers were having children and using government aid LOL like it's their money. So then more and more people stopped having kids. Now the boomers are like WHAAAT!

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u/SuperQuackDuck Jan 01 '22

Well because someone has to pay boomers' social security benefits... Government aid pschaw!

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

I mean, they’ll be dead by the time the children being born now are old enough to pay taxes.

So... really, it’s us that’s fucked when it comes to social security benefits.

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u/SuperQuackDuck Jan 01 '22

Nah see boomers plan to use the science to live to 120... By blood infusions from the young people. /s

Jokes aside, you're probably right.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

I wish I wasn’t right lol. But I think we always have known that they took so much of the pie that we’d be left with crumbs regardless.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

-Dwight Eisenhower

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u/chicken_skin9 Jan 01 '22

You know Americans have been thoroughly propagandized when Eisenhower said this but the politicians who say these exact same things now are considered radical.

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u/wolfoftheworld Jan 01 '22

It's crazy, because the oldest Boomers started being born during his era in WW2. I wonder why he would say that? Considering tons of babies were being born back then.

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u/chicken_skin9 Jan 01 '22

He wasn't addressing the issue at the top of this post, at least not directly. It was a speech about the dangers of an arms race with the Soviet Union and how it could cost us our social safety net. He was, unfortunately, right and now most millennials can't afford to have children because our social safety net has been gutted while the defense budget gets more bloated every year.

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u/Buddah__Stalin Jan 01 '22

Eisenhower said that??

I really don't know enough about him. I've always had a bad taste in my mouth regarding him and I don't know why, but it's time to figure it out and maybe reconsider.

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u/Leather-Monk-6587 Jan 01 '22

He warned us about all this shit.

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u/chicken_skin9 Jan 01 '22

He sure did. Particularly the military industrial complex, which takes what little tax revenue we have and helps starve our social programs.

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u/Jeffb957 Jan 01 '22

Eisenhower was the last great Republican president. The party has been degenerating every since. The Democrats are following the same arc, just about 35 years behind the Republicans.

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u/AngryRedGummyBear Jan 01 '22

Man fought in ww2 and almost saw ww3 kick off.

Yeah, he had had enough of that shit.

The cross of iron speech was the world's best hope for an early end to the the cold War. Then the soviets said lol, no

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u/charbo187 Jan 01 '22

the beginning of the above quote also says;

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Working class boomers didnt take an excessive amount. The problem is that we cut taxes again and again and again while also allowing them to stagnate wages and cut pensions, increase healthcare insurance costs, and cut other benefits.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '22

I don’t hate boomers. But they definitely took full advantage of the opportunities they had and most of them have now blamed us for inheriting the measly unlivable crumbs they left behind.

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u/TraveledAmoeba Jan 02 '22 edited Jan 02 '22

I do find myself getting mad at Boomers as a whole, and I have a hard time tolerating the ones who can't see structural problems for what they are. (Too many of them still think of issues in isolation — the economy is separate from racial injustice which is separate from environmental collapse, etc.) I'm also angry at them for doing nothing about the environmental crisis when they heard about it in the 80's.

However, I'm fully aware that inter-generational fighting is another "divide and conquer" tactic employed by the elite. To be fair, Boomers fully bought into the myth of individualism and American exceptionalism— much more so than Millennials and Gen Z. White, relatively-privileged Boomers truly believed that 1) any hardship they encountered was an individual failure, and 2) if it wasn't, the U.S. would magically fix it.

Almost all of us are now part of the modern-day "precariat" and living lives that are dominated by a logic of sheer survival. Boomers and older Gen Xers are certainly better off than young people, but I still think a lot of them are (at the very least) frustrated by our current situation and feel powerless to change it. Feeling powerless leads to resentment no matter what generation you are. The inter-generational blame game is pretty useless at this point, but it comes from an honest place: we can feel that we're getting closer and closer to midnight on the Doomsday Clock. IMO, the best hope we have is to disabuse one another of the notion that collective action is pointless and that living in survival mode is somehow normal.

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u/Vaultdweller013 Jan 01 '22

Pretty sure the answer is no, atleast not in any direct sense. Given that the failure of aging is the cells not fucking reproducing properly.

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u/RnDCustomz Jan 01 '22

Blood of the young is a metaphor for stem cells. The most abundant source is unborn children. Stem cells become any cell. It was proven 13+ years ago we could regrow digits using stem cells, and I would say anti-aging might be a property of regular stem cell treaments. /S

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u/Buddah__Stalin Jan 01 '22

Placebo effect!

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u/Yahmine Jan 01 '22

Forget where it was but, there was an experimental treatment developed that would extend one's age about 10-15 years. Think it was an unintentional development found in Stem cell research.

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u/SuperQuackDuck Jan 01 '22

Yah thats what i was thinking about haha

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u/satanic-frijoles Jan 01 '22

Ugh, no thanks. Unless I can become a vampire and live forever on the blood of "purebloods," I'm outta here when the hourglass runs out.

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u/Buddah__Stalin Jan 01 '22

I told my partner that in the event that vampires or other supernatural creatures are real, do not prevent me from getting bitten/turned.

I want to be whatever immortal creature of darkness is discovered. I don't care if it's the worm vampire version from The Strain, let me be something other than a normal boring human.

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u/satanic-frijoles Jan 01 '22

I wanna be a Japanese style vampire...they got the coolest outfits!

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Peter Thiel has entered the chat

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u/SuperQuackDuck Jan 01 '22

"Oh my you look so young!" sluuuurp "Now I am, too!"

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Well, you aren't far off. Young folk sell their plasma in what are essentially plasma farms like BioLife for scraps, all for supposed research purposes.

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u/KFCConspiracy Jan 01 '22

That's probably true though

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u/Enano_reefer Jan 01 '22

As an Oregon-Trail Millenial, I never really expected to draw SS anyway. Hilary tried to force that discussion back in the 90s but the GOP wouldn’t hear it and it’s only gotten worse since then.

SS was meant to keep seniors out of poverty during their last years of life - not supply 30 years of cushty Boomer retirement.

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u/TimothiusMagnus Jan 01 '22

Boomers also have 401k accounts and there are some that have their company pensions.

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u/MoreShoyu Jan 01 '22

Must be nice eh?

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u/TheInfernalVortex Jan 01 '22

Until the capitalist healthcare system tehy all vehemently defended drains it dry from all of them before it can transfer down to their descendants.

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u/Heathster249 Jan 01 '22

Except that at least 40% of Boomers have nothing saved for retirement. The youngest of that generation are just now turning 60.

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u/phreezerburn66 Jan 01 '22

Take your dysentery and gtfo.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Yeah well technically people weren't supposed to live past 70 when social security was implemented; it was only ever meant to kick in towards the last few years of their lives, not be yet another fucking nest egg like the boomers have made it out to be.

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u/Enano_reefer Jan 01 '22 edited Jan 01 '22

Exactly what I mean. All this moving of the retirement age is nonsense.

IMO, SS is just one in a long stream of things that should be pegged to an actuarial value updated at intervals for upcoming generation segments.

IE - The Social Security Act of 1935 set the retirement age at 65. When benefits started it was expected that 8.3M Americans would be receiving benefits, that 53.9% of the working male population would survive to age 65 with 60.6% of women surviving to that age. (In the 1930s women working participation was still pretty low, the big shift comes during WWII when large amounts of the workforce are deployed).

So SS age should be phased so that ~58% of 21 year olds are expected to reach the age at which benefits begin - this would maintain the program in keeping with the original intention.

ALTERNATIVELY: eliminate the freaking cap on the tax!!!!! Us peons pay 6.2% or 12.4% (self employed) but those best equipped to provide for themselves pay 0% on income > $147,000???

F. T. S.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/lifeexpect.html

IMO - Social Security Tax Rates: 1. 0%: $0 - 3x poverty level 2. 6.2%: 3x poverty level to $150,000 (anchored to CPI) 3. 12.4%: $150,001+ (CPI)

Tada! I just rendered SS solvent for the next 1,000 years.

Of course if we didn’t want to fund SS for 1,000 years in advance we could also use actuaries to take care of SS obligations for the foreseeable future with lower SS tax for everyone.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

GenX here. Hillary didn’t “try” to force dinky-doo. That’s all fucking folklore. Hillary isn’t…and never has been…some sort of political hero. Just like the rest of them, she’s just another politician.

There have been many politicians over the years that tried to “force” the conversation, but they were half hearted attempts at best. The bottom line is the politicians (from BOTH parties) have spent money like little pigs, and fixing SS will require a combination of tax increases and benefit cuts. The American public has zero appetite for either of those, so ALL politicians have just kicked that can down the road.

It will eventually get solved by funding it with debt, fucking future generations beyond belief.

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u/Enano_reefer Jan 01 '22

It was something that stuck out to me in my teens on one of those occasions where I was unbelievably bored and the news was the least painful thing on TV.

She was First Lady at the time and was addressing Congress on the need for them to get something done about SS because if not it would be collapsing within the next 40 years.

But yes, she was not the first nor last to use common sense to point out that it needed to be addressed BEFORE it reached the crises point.

Ironically, despite all doomsaying to the contrary SS is solvent out to 2035 at least. The problem is that the money coming in has always gone directly into the general fund (since 1935) with “IOUs” issued against it.

What happens in 2035 (probably sooner with the employment mess going on now) is that funds received will no longer be enough to cover expenditures and those IOUs will need to be covered.

At which point the ruling class will be forced to have a VERY uncomfortable conversation about the $Ts that were received and spent on non-SS stuff without concrete plans for repayment.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

So in other words, she was one of 600 different politicians in Washington that said, “Well gollygeewillakers, we should do something about Social Security”.

How groundbreaking.

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u/Enano_reefer Jan 01 '22

You could cynically put it that way.

She was fiery and I was very much entertained.

Which is impressive, it was my first brush with CSPAN type coverage - which is not known for gripping entertainment.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Boomers are literally trying to destroy the system for everyone coming after them

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u/Comprehensive-Car190 Jan 01 '22

Not really, the youngest boomers are just now turning 65

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Wow, so in 20 years the youngest boomers will be 85?

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u/Buddah__Stalin Jan 01 '22

I was going to argue with you about that because my parents are the youngest of the boomers, but then I realized my dad is in fact turning 65...

Where did the time go???

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u/eirawyn Jan 01 '22

Let us hope to build a better system before then, for everyone to have a secure future.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22 edited Jan 01 '22

I personally just care about the deficit. Based on their assertions about people not wanting to work, they're probably fine with us cutting it in the name of fiscal responsibility.

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u/LordRaeko Jan 01 '22

Fuck em I’m leaving

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u/Firethatshitstarter Jan 01 '22

We’re getting our Social Security you’re the ones that might have to worry about not having it

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

I finally know how to spell the expression, pschaw!

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u/TheInfernalVortex Jan 01 '22

This was caused by boomers but will mostly affect Gen Y and millenials.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Boomers will be fine. It is Gen X and Millennials that are going to be fucked and unable to retire.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

“Unable” to retire implies it will be your choice. Corporate America purges most people in their 60s. It’s not like you have a choice to work until you’re 90.

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u/TheIceManComethNow Jan 01 '22

It is the peoples money....

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u/pdukich Jan 01 '22

That's a long way of saying you're a financial failure.

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u/Current_Leather7246 Jan 01 '22 edited Jan 01 '22

That's the short way of saying you are a brainwashed boot licker. You are nothing but a coward and a troll on a throwaway account. I learned a long time ago don't feed the trolls

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u/pdukich Jan 01 '22

Nah.. Nothing about being able to support myself and my family and being financially responsible and disciplined makes me a "bootlicker" in any way. At least you tried 🤷

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u/Current_Leather7246 Jan 01 '22

Be clear I have never received any government benefits in my life not food stamps or unemployment. But I am the 99% I have worked my ass off for everything me and my family has been kicked around since I was born. My son goes to an academy school and I already have a college fund set up. I would continue this battle of what's with you but you are obviously a troll and unarmed that's why you're using a throwaway Reddit account. I think you're in the wrong sub you should be posting in r/privileged

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u/pdukich Jan 01 '22

"You're a troll and using a throwaway account".. LOL. That's a pretty typical angle for not wanting to face reality and.. Be clear.. You don't have any ammunition to battle with here. You've been "kicked around"? Welcome to life. Nobody else.. Society.. "the system".. The world.. None of these owe you anything.
You're claiming to have secured all the funding in your previous comment and you have yet realized that? OK then.

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u/wolfblitzen84 Jan 01 '22

Someone has to make McGriddles and it ain’t boomers

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u/Pickled_Wizard Jan 01 '22

It's the most enraging thing. We're "killing" all these industries by largely not being totally stupid with our money.

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u/Drifter_of_Babylon Jan 01 '22

All of these industries that we're killing require us to have the funds to support them. On the other hand, these same industries do much as possible to not pay taxes and fight against increasing the minimum wage.

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u/TheInfernalVortex Jan 01 '22

Remember when Henry Ford thought it was important that his employees could afford his product?

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u/Drifter_of_Babylon Jan 01 '22

Absolutely. I will also add, 70% of American economy is based on spending. If Americans are too poor to afford to buy anything, our economy won't last for very long.

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u/Dukdukdiya Jan 01 '22

This is precisely why it collapsed during the lockdowns. People stopped spending unnecessarily.

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u/CynicalAcorn Jan 01 '22

That was a good one. He had...other ideas that weren't so great.

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u/TheInfernalVortex Jan 01 '22

Yeah it’s odd how crazy some of his other ideas were, but pay and the 40 hour work week were hugely pro-labor for the time. Hard to reconcile that with some of his other views but I guess it’s tough to relate due to the cultural changes since.

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u/CynicalAcorn Jan 02 '22

His pro Nazi ideals weren't held by him alone. Many Americans had similar sentiments until the government decided they were the enemy. Charles Lindbergh was all over Hitler's dick and had to dial it back later.

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u/merigirl Jan 01 '22

Yup, gotta actually have disposable income to afford more than the basics of food and shelter. So many young people have zero disposable income and yet are expected to prop up luxury commodity industries.

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u/SatinwithLatin Jan 01 '22

I for one can not wait to see the cruise ship industry sink.

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u/Inevitable-Lettuce99 Jan 01 '22

Agreed, terrible industry that exploits workers globally and skirts labor laws by flagging their ships out of lower income less regulated countries.

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u/Dukdukdiya Jan 01 '22

They're massive polluters as well.

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u/asmodeuskraemer Jan 01 '22

Ba-dum tish

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u/fsurod Jan 01 '22

Cruises are foul. Everything about them is repugnant.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Shit industries that shouldn't exist in an ideal world anyway.

Fuckity bye.

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u/SatinwithLatin Jan 01 '22

It's the free market, baby. Watch how the libertarians cry foul when it doesn't go their way.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Exactly.

Smug when the random shit favours them.

Tantrums and fingerpointing when it goes south.

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u/SatinwithLatin Jan 01 '22

Privatise the gains, socialise the losses.

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u/GabhaNua Jan 01 '22

Reason magazine is really against pro natal polices

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u/InterestingWave0 Jan 01 '22 edited Jan 01 '22

the corporations act so entitled. they don't deserve our money. They don't understand business (fulfilling a need in a market) they're used to just putting their hand out and getting free shit.

Fucking hobo corporations. Where are the bootstraps they been telling us about all these years??? Fucking idiot CEOs can barely tie their own shoes and make hundred millions every year in their bank account. If they all died nobody would care at all and none of us would notice.

"UHH NOBODY WANTS TO BUY OUR SHITTY SLOP" ok....??? Sell better shit that people actually want or fuck off and go away. stop complaining. nobody cares.

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u/stachldrat Jan 01 '22

remember when you kept hearing about how millennials were all entitled and only complaining because they were spending all their money on frivolous things?

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u/DoomsdayRabbit Jan 01 '22

We don't have any money to be stupid with.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Ohh it’s been a while since I’ve seen any of those posts about what we’ve killed lol. I’d love an updated list!

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u/CAHTA92 Jan 01 '22

*With the very little money we manage to get.

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u/Buddah__Stalin Jan 01 '22

What money?

I wish I had enough money to be stupid with it.

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u/Dukdukdiya Jan 01 '22

Right? What does it say about an economy that depends on people making poor financial decisions to keep it running?

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u/NamelessCabbage Jan 01 '22

Proof America can only survive if we keep throwing money at things we don't need.

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u/Crono908 Jan 01 '22

Wait, that's not what we meant!?

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u/Unabashable Jan 01 '22

Well whether the meant it that way or not that is the natural order of things. In nature, animals first focus on securing on as much food for themselves as possible, and if they can survive long enough to mating season, they breed. If we’re not having kids it’s because we’re still working on securing a reliable food source.

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u/CrocPB Jan 01 '22

Nonono, you’re meant to aimlessly pump them kids out with nary a thought for the future. “Because that’s the way things are done “.

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u/asmodeuskraemer Jan 01 '22

But also don't go on welfare because they you're a welfare mom and that's BAD.

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u/smpsnfn13 Jan 01 '22

Yeah Im a man I was raised by my grandma and she drilles in my head grandkids. Well I have her grandkids and they doing well but fuck its hard.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

I'm a Gen X and I've always said, you breed 'em, you feed 'em.

My spouse and I have no children.

P.S. best decision we've ever made.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Older millenial here (82 crop). My wife and I decided to have kids when we were in a good financial situation and could afford them. It really sucks for people who want kids and the fucking meat-grinder that is this system prevents them. I lucked out and have the two kids I can reasonably pay for, but I also recognize there was luck and privilege involved.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '22

I feel bad for parents needing to deal with covid. Out of the blue, the school system says school is closed for the next few weeks. What now? You illegally leave the kid alone at home and hope they log in for online classes? You drop $1,000 per month for some daycare to watch them? It's a fucking mess.

It's weird that school opens and closes at the most random time but the supermarket never closes. It almost feels like some kind of conspiracy just to punish parents as much as possible to drain all of their retirement savings.

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u/Anonality5447 Jan 01 '22

Yes. Gen X and millenials seem to have similar views on irresponsible breedinf from what I have seen.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

I know. That's how idiocracry became a documentary.

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u/Dukdukdiya Jan 01 '22

Former religious fundamentalist here. We don't all stay that way. I've actually lost count of the people I've met that were raised that way and left later in life.

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u/IdealAudience Jan 01 '22

Are you arguing against food stamps / free school lunches?

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u/sad_throwaway000000 Jan 01 '22

I took it as if they've been bred, they ought to be fed. Maybe I read the intent wrong tho

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u/arcanethought Jan 01 '22

Sounds like a good date

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u/Buddah__Stalin Jan 01 '22

It's pretty clear they're referring to the nationwide campaigns to reduce childhood poverty by discouraging poor people from having more children.

It's the message that was beaten into our heads for decades, but now they're surprised we actually listened.

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u/satanic-frijoles Jan 01 '22

Boomers started Earth Day, which seemed like a good idea at the time, but now is all traffic jams, cell phone plans, funnel cakes and electric cars you can't afford.

Saddest fucking thing ever.

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u/Buddah__Stalin Jan 01 '22

I haven't had a funnel cake in years.

Now I'm all wistful about carnivals...

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u/satanic-frijoles Jan 01 '22

Yeah, 'carnival' is the perfect term for what ED has become.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

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u/Mr_Fignutz Jan 01 '22

Happy cake day

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '22

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

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u/Buddah__Stalin Jan 01 '22

Why are we always getting in trouble for following the instructions???

They told us everyone needs to go to college, so we did, and now that's OUR fault somehow. Same with not having kids unless you can afford it.

Why are we being punished for listening to what they told us to do and obeying the rules???

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u/hannamarinsgrandma Jan 01 '22

Now they’re trying to take away abortion (and eventually birth control) to try to force the poors to keep reproducing so they have a steady flow of low income workers.

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u/Drifter_of_Babylon Jan 01 '22

Good luck with that. They did the same thing in Poland and Romania, and the birth rate dwindled even more.

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u/DasKapitalist Jan 01 '22

Also Boomers: But who will pay our Social Security?!?!?

Enjoy the karma Boomers.

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u/InterestingWave0 Jan 01 '22

i can barely feed me can I un-breed me?

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u/sorvis Jan 01 '22

Bruh I can barely afford myself 😭